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Middlesboro, KY

#1 Feb 6, 2011
Considering that reguardless of which side your on Middlesboro is at a crossroad. If we the people don't take our part and hold our elected officals to a higher standard then we may miss an opportunity for real positive change. So far we have gotton off to a rocky start but it's not to late. So lets try and use topix as a postive and have civil debate on this thread about our Mayor and Council members actions and who knows maybe they will do the right thing?? Say what you want they may or may not post on topix but they know what's being said here. Anybody else willing to give it a try??

Since: Jul 09

Richmond, KY

#2 Feb 6, 2011
Citizen wrote:
Considering that reguardless of which side your on Middlesboro is at a crossroad. If we the people don't take our part and hold our elected officals to a higher standard then we may miss an opportunity for real positive change. So far we have gotton off to a rocky start but it's not to late. So lets try and use topix as a postive and have civil debate on this thread about our Mayor and Council members actions and who knows maybe they will do the right thing?? Say what you want they may or may not post on topix but they know what's being said here. Anybody else willing to give it a try??
As much as I would like seeing that too, I dont think there would be an intelligent discussion here. Most who read this are set in one mind setting, I am right and you are stupid, and all they want to do is fuss and argue. I agree, Middlesboro has a great oppertunity to move forward and to bring this small city back to where it was when it was a booming place where business were comming in, people were moving in instead of constantly moving away. It is a shame to have our children and grand children moving away because there are no hope for the future here.
With the expansion of LMU alone, thousands of people will be coming here IF we have things to come here for. If the mayor and city council will work together, will do thier sworn duty to work for the betterment of the citizens and the city, accomplishments would be great, and they could be seen in a reasonably short period of time. Sure, there are a few sitting on the council that are trying to resort to the old political tactics, which if they take a close look, would realize that they have gotten us nowhere, the Mayor is wanting to be the last word in discussions, and if they set thier personal sights on just that, there will remain to be no growth regardless of the opertunitys we have now. I dont and never have played politics, and I thought when the voters decided to make the Mayor and Council seats nonpartisin, that it would be just that. But now instead, we have sides, you are either on this side, or the other side, and no one seems to remember what they were elected to do. Make Middlesboro a growing community, a safe community, and a place where we dont have to travel 60-75 miles to spend our money simply because we have no nonpartisin leadership at home. Now a couple have spoken, so let the arguing and slander hit the thread!

Since: Jul 09

Richmond, KY

#3 Feb 6, 2011
We just ask that you keep things civil. Leave out the personal attacks. Do not use offensive language, ethnic or racial slurs, or assail anyone's personal or religious beliefs
Dr Diaper

Clay City, KY

#4 Feb 6, 2011
Why should the Mayor not be allowed to appoint his department heads, without having to use someone from a previous administration ? These positions are executive authority appointments.
Whats needed

Middlesboro, KY

#6 Feb 6, 2011
The truth is what's needed, as long as people are being honest with each other it will all work out in the end, but if not that's when the hooking and crooking gets going then emotions get in the way of good government for the people. Do we have honest folks elected in Middlesboro right now, that should be the topic and the question??
Maybe

Middlesboro, KY

#7 Feb 6, 2011
Take the council from 9 members to 5 members.
Billy

Clay City, KY

#8 Feb 6, 2011
Lief Coach wrote:
Sigh. Teh problem with Middlesboro is that it has been on the downward spiral for several generations.
Just because you elect "new" blood really does not mean anything. You still have some of the older citizens that still has some say in things. That was made clear in the last several council meetings. I thought adults was supposed to be in charge of things. After reading what goes on there, it looks like several playground bullies fighting over the best part of the playground.
Mr. Coach: Damn you again.
Breakdown

New Berlin, WI

#9 Feb 6, 2011
I think we should give this a try!! Lets Break them down one by one, I know a couple of them but not all, so I'll start with only what I know for fact with my own eyes.

I worked a couple of construction jobs back in the late 80's that Bill Kelly was working on too, and I can't say nothing good about him back then, maybe he's changed, but it didn't look like it when I watched the special called meeting.

Phillip Ball may be ok now but when I knew him 15yrs ago not so much, can't say he's ever lied to me, but he did leave his first wife for a stripper from the Katch One Club in Ktown that's for sure, now I liked what I saw from him in the last council meeting so I hope he's got it back together now.

Bo Green is a great person and I think he will be honest in everything he does, but he is also a little weak don't think he could ever stand up to the Mayor or anyone else on the council.

Kevin Barnett has done a ton of stuff helping with little league and when my boy was playing he seemed really fair, but I will say I was a little surprised when I watched the special called meeting, I thought he would have been more on the employees side.

That's all I can say for facts, now I have heard all kinds of stuff, but will leave it hear for now.
turd pickle

Middlesboro, KY

#10 Feb 6, 2011
Breakdown wrote:
I think we should give this a try!! Lets Break them down one by one, I know a couple of them but not all, so I'll start with only what I know for fact with my own eyes.
I worked a couple of construction jobs back in the late 80's that Bill Kelly was working on too, and I can't say nothing good about him back then, maybe he's changed, but it didn't look like it when I watched the special called meeting.
Phillip Ball may be ok now but when I knew him 15yrs ago not so much, can't say he's ever lied to me, but he did leave his first wife for a stripper from the Katch One Club in Ktown that's for sure, now I liked what I saw from him in the last council meeting so I hope he's got it back together now.
Bo Green is a great person and I think he will be honest in everything he does, but he is also a little weak don't think he could ever stand up to the Mayor or anyone else on the council.
Kevin Barnett has done a ton of stuff helping with little league and when my boy was playing he seemed really fair, but I will say I was a little surprised when I watched the special called meeting, I thought he would have been more on the employees side.
That's all I can say for facts, now I have heard all kinds of stuff, but will leave it hear for now.
everone on here, even the ones that dont want to admitt it must know what happened with little jimmie pursiful by now. james money talks and little jimmie walks. bill cant run this city with james pursifull calling the shots. james has to go! problem solved.......... does anybody care to commit
Why

Middlesboro, KY

#11 Feb 6, 2011
turd pickle wrote:
<quoted text>everone on here, even the ones that dont want to admitt it must know what happened with little jimmie pursiful by now. james money talks and little jimmie walks. bill cant run this city with james pursifull calling the shots. james has to go! problem solved.......... does anybody care to commit
Then why hasn't Bill walked in and said "I'm eliminating the position of Safety Director I don't think we need one since I'm going to be a full time Mayor" then if it's as you say, problem solved. Futhermore little Jimmy's being stupid or James having money isn't what is holding Middlesboro back that's a different topic all together, and for what it's worth I think MPD busted the little punk for his first DUI and those charges stuck. Check the record, so James didn't buy him out of that one. I think you may be trying to place the blame for Bill not coming through on his big promises over on James, last time I checked Bill Kelley was the Mayor of Middlesboro not James.... FYI I think James needs to go too, but I don't think he has near the power you do, the Mayor is the top of the pile at the end of the day!!!
15 mins

Chicago, IL

#12 Feb 6, 2011
Little Jimmy and Lucas Carter are the same, niether one of them is relavent to what's going on in Middlesboro. They both are stupid and everybody that has talked to them more than ten mins knows it, so please don't try to blame either one of them for anything other than stealing oxygen, cause that's all they are capable of. Now James and Bill Kelley different story, James ain't dumb that's for sure and you can't get away with being a liar like Bill does without being pretty smart, so yea we better watch them two cause if they get hooked up look out!!!!
someone

Middlesboro, KY

#13 Feb 7, 2011
Bill done NOTHING but flat-out LIE during his campaign. He personally told me, "I don't need a Safety Director to run the city for me." If you don't need him, why is he still there? This has completely changed Bill. He used to be a good person. I guess becoming Mayor changes a person. I don't know...
Big Al

Pikeville, KY

#14 Feb 7, 2011
In the first place, I did NOT vote for Bill Kelly! People that get mine are the best qualified for the job. I don't weigh personality, how many times someone has been married, etc.. This is whats wrong with this entire country. People vote for the good ol boy and not the qualified people. I think Bill has learned he can't come in and play dictator.

This being said; Had you not noticed, we are in a virtual depression in this country? No business is growing or expanding right now. At the very least, it will be a long time coming before ANY Corporation moves into Bell county. This county is # 8 in the NATION for drug abuse!!! Also one of the highest School drop out rates in the Nation. Plain and simple truth, there are NO qualified employees here!

Instead of thinking the Mayor can wave a wand and make the area wet, hire people, etc, etc.. We need to come together and get these kids educated and off the drugs.
If this happens, the rest will fall in place.
the better good

Middlesboro, KY

#15 Feb 7, 2011
While the mayor may be at the top of the pile at the end of the day, executive power hires and appoints the dept. head jobs. The only problem is it is unfair to the departent heads that have tenure to be uprooted for jobs they have worked at for nearly twenty years! Have empathy for the persons. I am not a big fan of Chief Sharp, or Leemon and similar persons but,they have dedicated a large portion of their lives to attain the postions they are in. How long was Jeff on the police force prior to becoming chief...and now that we have a different mayor he wants to fire him, leaving him jobless and without a retirement. I dont understand how anyone can think it would be fair to do that to someone. How about use your executive authority to MANAGE these persons? Explain to them what your expected outcomes for their departments are, what type of stuff will not be tolerated ect. Then if they do anything illegal how they are frequently accused of make a case of it and if they are found to be criminals let them receive criminal punishment. If it becomes obvious that after seriously trying to work with them that their agenda and what you expect is not going to work out then what is wrong with bringing charges to demote them in front of a group of 9 persons that have been elected by the people that the chief is supposed to be protecting and serving and by being elected are here to serve the best interest in the better good of the city population. Let the group of 9 offer their advice (since they can be utilized as advisors) and then act in the interest of the people.
It is obvious from the previous council meetings that the politics are motivating factors and not the best of the people. It was only a few months ago the Carters voted to apply the questioned ordinance as at that time they apparenlty felt as though that would be the most fair method of discipline and decision making. However months later they want to move in agreement with the mayor that they publicly supported to overthrow the ordinance they supported; in the name of politics, which IS FACT as published from statements made during the council meeting.
How would you feel if after 20 years of working your way through the ranks of a certain job that you took pride in suddenly their is a new manager put over you, and for no reason that he can state other than "I'm your manager and I dont like you" you are fired and sent away from your job with nothing left.
Also the mayor tried to strike down the ordinance in the name that it stepped on his executive authourity. Please remember we do not actually live in a dictatorship. Their is branches of government to provide checks and balance on each other. The executive makes managerial type decisions. The legislative branch (the council) makes laws (ordinances) that are enforced by the executive branch, these laws can also be used to govern the limits of power of the executive branch, when their is a disagreement in as far as the legality of of legislative decisions it is the repsonsibility of the judicial branch to make the final decision. In our town that is initially the response from the city attorney unless an issue is taken to ocurt. Originally it is published on record that the mayor indicated that he spoke with the judicial branch and received advice that the bounaries were crossed. However 1 week later the city attorney himself in an invited forum and also being published on record responded that the legislative branch was within their limits. This methodology has been tried and found worthy, why question it any further? It is the personal greed, want of authority and power that will lead our elected officials astray from truly helping our authority.
Not so fast

Georgetown, KY

#16 Feb 7, 2011
I agree 100% with "the better good" with one exception you can't just move on without calling the Mayor out in the open over the lies on the record, because if you don't then it will happen again and again! So if your on the council step up now and it won't be a problem in the future do like has been done in the past and push it aside and move on, well you will get the same result we have had for years and that makes you no better and the city will suffer. Step up and say Mayor with all the respect due your office I request on the record that we bring matters of proof when addressing this council. He will then know you will and he won't do it again!
turd pickle

Middlesboro, KY

#17 Feb 7, 2011
Big Al wrote:
In the first place, I did NOT vote for Bill Kelly! People that get mine are the best qualified for the job. I don't weigh personality, how many times someone has been married, etc.. This is whats wrong with this entire country. People vote for the good ol boy and not the qualified people. I think Bill has learned he can't come in and play dictator.
This being said; Had you not noticed, we are in a virtual depression in this country? No business is growing or expanding right now. At the very least, it will be a long time coming before ANY Corporation moves into Bell county. This county is # 8 in the NATION for drug abuse!!! Also one of the highest School drop out rates in the Nation. Plain and simple truth, there are NO qualified employees here!
Instead of thinking the Mayor can wave a wand and make the area wet, hire people, etc, etc.. We need to come together and get these kids educated and off the drugs.
If this happens, the rest will fall in place.
do u honstly think by keeping the boro dry, that the drug problem will be solved. look how much tax $ is being collected by tenn. and va. and the beer and liqar is being brought back to the boro and consumed in the boro by people that live in the boro. why not make the sale of acohol legal and tax it. money for the city, its that simple. people dont give our citys money away.
Big Al

Georgetown, KY

#18 Feb 7, 2011
turd pickle wrote:
<quoted text>do u honstly think by keeping the boro dry, that the drug problem will be solved. look how much tax $ is being collected by tenn. and va. and the beer and liqar is being brought back to the boro and consumed in the boro by people that live in the boro. why not make the sale of acohol legal and tax it. money for the city, its that simple. people dont give our citys money away.
Keeping it dry?? Umm if you would take the time to R E A D what I wrote, you would see that I simply said our "new, want to be dictator" simply cant wave a wand and make it wet. THE CITIZENS HAVE TO VOTE IT IN!

This is not a simple wet/dry problem or issue. This is about an education for our upcoming children. You should try it sometime.
someone

Middlesboro, KY

#19 Feb 7, 2011
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
Keeping it dry?? Umm if you would take the time to R E A D what I wrote, you would see that I simply said our "new, want to be dictator" simply cant wave a wand and make it wet. THE CITIZENS HAVE TO VOTE IT IN!
This is not a simple wet/dry problem or issue. This is about an education for our upcoming children. You should try it sometime.
What are you talking about EDUCATION? If ppl around here get one of those, they will have to go to work. We all know that "ain't" happenin'.
Family man

Louisville, KY

#20 Feb 7, 2011
The problem with Middlesboro is that when kids from Middlesboro get educated, they leave the area and never come back. Seriously, we have got to take measures that will help draw industry to the area and provide better jobs for our young people.

Seriously, if anyone is a Middlesboro High School teacher think back to the top 10-15 students you had each year in class. Where are they living and working now, even though they were born and raised in Middlesboro? The leave here and never come back because we currently have nothing to offer unless you are a doctor or lawyer.

Everybody wants to say Middlesboro is going to hell in a hand basket, everyone is on drugs, and there is no drive and potential. Bullshit! There are tons of hard working, driven people who want to see this area improve. We just have to take the baby steps that lead to local economic growth which benefits all of us.

We can do it and we will do it. I don't want my children to have to move to Lexington, Louisville, Knoxville, and Atlanta to find a career. No, Iím not saying Middlesboro will ever be on the level of those cities, but we don't have to be to offer solid employment opportunities for our young people.

I've got my eye on the pine mountain industrial park, it may be the savior of the area within the next 5, 10, 15 years.
Save Us

Georgetown, KY

#21 Feb 8, 2011
The Pine Mtn Industrial Park our "savior"? MANY rural counties in this country have industrial parks and a LOT of them are empty or nowhere near capacity. It's naive to think any one thing is going to turn this county around. The real problem, the problem that causes what we call "the problem," is our own attitudes, the culture of this area. It is a culture that doesn't value education (which in turn leads to a host of other problems), & which is insular, change resistant, and suspicious of anyone considered an "outsider". The culture needs to change before economic betterment will even be possible. We have met the enemy, and he is us.

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