Beware of Buggy: The Amish's Plea Aft...

Beware of Buggy: The Amish's Plea After Horrific Crash

There are 18 comments on the WJW Fox 8 Cleveland story from Sep 14, 2010, titled Beware of Buggy: The Amish's Plea After Horrific Crash. In it, WJW Fox 8 Cleveland reports that:

Amish farmer Donnie Schmucker said his greatest fear is having his family's buggy struck from behind by a car or truck traveling at a high rate of speed.

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Heather

Wickliffe, OH

#1 Sep 14, 2010
I pray for this family each day. I have always been aware of my surroundings when I drive, but this story has encouraged me to continue to be a safe driver.
a mom too

Massillon, OH

#2 Sep 14, 2010
So we should go slow, which also means we put ourselves and other in danger as well. Going slower than the speed limit also can cause problems. I am tired of hearing about amish buggy accidents. There are just as many, probably more automobile accidents.Also, I am curious if the amish have to carry some kind of insurance like we by law have to carry auto insurance? That only seems fair since we do share the road, and I am sure there have been accidents where the amish buggy is at fault.
a safe driver

Broken Arrow, OK

#3 Sep 14, 2010
why are they allowed to pile as many ppl in the buggy as possible.yankees r not allowed to do that we have to wear seatbelts.they can to, and dont tell me its against their tradition,its just common sense.out police etc.should be held responsible for their accidents because they dont hold them accountable per capacity in the buggy.must be the ppl who make the laws want them to be killed etc. since the yankees have to abide by them and not the amish fo figure.
disgusted

Meadville, PA

#4 Sep 14, 2010
Why 8 people crammed in that buggy?
Erin

Girard, OH

#5 Sep 14, 2010
This is a sad story, it truely is. But I too live in an area where there are tons of Amish traveling the roads. I've seen many of reckless Amish "driver". I've had Amish pull out infront of me from a side road while I'm driving at a full rate of speed on a state route, clearly I had the right of way. And they do NOT make themselves visible at night. A little lantern/candle light on the side of a buggy does not make a buggy stand out. So its not necessarily the driver of the automobile that needs to take extra caution. They need to be more careful as well.
lynn

Bellingham, MA

#6 Sep 14, 2010
What happened with Mrs. Kauffman is a great tragedy. However, blaming the 'English' for accidents such as this is unfair. I live in an area surrounded by Amish. They are very dangerous on the roads. They have to realize they are on roads meant for vehicles traveling at speeds greater than themselves. I have crowned hills countless times in my area to find an Amish buggy slowly plugging along in the middle of the road. THEY are the ones creating this dangerous situation. Night is the most dangerous. i came upon 2 separate buggies last week just after dark. I certainly can't travel down the road with a cheap glow in the dark triangle on the back of my vehicle, or a small candle-lit lantern hanging off the back of my car. if the Amish want to use our roads, THEY should abide by the same traffic laws regarding safety that the rest of us have to follow.
Steph

North Ridgeville, OH

#7 Sep 14, 2010
This is a terrible terrible tragedy. I know one of the EMT's who responded to the crash, and others like this. It's not something you can easily forget (although that is true of all fatal crashes). However crashes like this are usually one sided and especially horrific.

It seems like everyone commenting is willing to push all the blame on unsafe Amish buggy practices. I've spent my whole life living in Geauga county (where this crash takes place) and I work in the heart of the Amish community (with a few Amish coworkers as well). Yes, they do things sometimes that may be unsafe. They may veer into the road a bit more when they think no one is coming. And I am sure there are ways we can help make the buggys and carts more visible. But to blame this accident on them alone is completely ridiculous.

How many times have you answered your phone while driving, texted while driving, fiddled with the radio, or just turned your head and lost site of the road for a second. Ask your teenagers how safe they are as drivers too. You can't expect a whole community to be 100% safe and to follow every rule or law every second, when we ourselves do not.

Safety is a two way street, so stop being hypocrites, and just try to be safer on the roads you know the Amish travel on. Hopefully they will do their best to remain safe as well.

and P.S. Amish buggys come in many sizes. There are 4, 6, 8+ passenger buggys, just like there are various size cars.
tolerance

Atwater, OH

#8 Sep 14, 2010
Can we all just get along?
Steph

North Ridgeville, OH

#9 Sep 14, 2010
Another thing... did any of you read the original story? The driver of the SUV was under the influence, and driving with her own infant in the car. That is truly disgusting. Do not blame the Amish for this woman's disastrous mistakes.
Erin

Hartville, OH

#10 Sep 15, 2010
Steph: I dont recall a single person saying this particular accident was the Amish's fault. I think the point we're trying to make here is simply that before the Amish plead the case that automobile drivers are the ones that need to be more cautious, they should consider how dangerous they can be to an automobile driver while traveling the roadways that are meant for vehicles traveling at a high rate of speed. Bottom-line is whether your in an automobile or a buggy, you have to take all precautions necessary for a safe travel.

An automobile is required to have many of things in order to be allowed on the roadways, and it should be the same sitation for an Amish buggy. I'm not saying that all drivers of automobiles are innocent, cautious drivers because they certainly are not, but I dont think the Amish are as innocent as they are claiming to be, as I've seen it with my own eyes.
Mary Ellen

Floyd, VA

#11 Sep 15, 2010
It seems to me, since the Amish have decided that it is not against their conscience to ride in cars owned by other people, that they ought to be required to ride in motorized vehicles when traveling on main roads. Private companies could provide this service, or counties may choose to provide a bus and a time schedule. There should be roads where only buggies are allowed, and then roads where only cars are allowed. The Amish can be in charge of constructing and maintaining their own roads.

Yes, I am suggesting a more isolated construction of the Amish community, because they live in an isolated way anyhow. If they do not wish to operate in our society in a way where it does not put us at risk, then they need to create their own space for their alternate reality, where the clash of our realities won't cause physical harm to us and our children.

Amish churches can pool their resources and buy large tracts of land where they can do as they please, creating dirt roads where they can drive slowly over crests of hills, etc. We can go there to ride in their buggies, to see how their way of life works, without having to put them or us in harms way.
John Stouffer

Kent, OH

#12 Sep 15, 2010
Excellent story. Would like for Jack Shea to visit me for a lesson on defensive driving from a native driver. Clues to look for and road awareness. 4199944909
hobochet

AOL

#13 Sep 15, 2010
Hi Russ: I worked in Wayne & Holmes Counties for 30 years. I never came close to an accident with a buggy. The buggies in these areas for the most part have lights & SM V signs. BUT there is a group of Amish, known as "Swartzentruber Amish, that live it the area, who do not have visiable lights, no SMV signs. They put a strip of reflective tape on the back of the buggy and a small kerocine latern on the edge of the floorboard of the buggy. These buggies are not too visiable at night. AND the troopers do not enforce the state laws governing buggies in this area.
eshter yutzy

Richmond, VA

#14 Sep 15, 2010
yes i agree the Amish should put more light on there buggys some hardly have any at all if you watch there are two different typ of buggy's out there some with reflectors and and light and flashing light and now a trigal with flashing light and some buggy's have just two flashing light in the back is kinda scary when you pull up behide it in the dark the reason i know all this is i am from the Amish i left 6 years ago and it can be scary driving a horse and buggy when truck fly around you or any tye car and also i hate seeing pepole with there car's pull up behinde a buggy at a light i would say stay back some horse like to back up and rear up some horse are good at standing and other like to act up it scary to know there a car behinde and your horse dosn't stand still and yes the amish do have there buggy's jam packed with 8 pepole i rember when i was little we use to have to stand on the step of the buggy just to fit in our buggy my mom and dad had 10 childern
now i also think how can they get away with it not having to seat belt them self in all i can say to car driver be careful and yes the amish should also do thing to make them self seen better to see them praying for the family really sad i hope we all learn from this esther yuzy
Living where they live

Orwell, OH

#15 Sep 19, 2010
I wish Jack Shea would come out on a Sunday afternoon and film a little bit of what people go thru with the younger generation of Amish.
I have live here for 40 years and I think these past years have got worse then normal. The underage drinking, the disrespectfulness of drunken amish boys and girls, fit as many in a single buggy as can, broken windshield, horse allow to go wherever he wants to because the driver is totally soused! Keep in mind, these people that are driving the buggy is anywhere from 15 on up.. Yes, I said 15 and drunk! Imagine that!
I am starting to have disrespect for the amish. I have picked up more beer bottles lately then I have in a long time. Everyone thinks that they are so goody two shoes. Yeah! Right!!!
Now, keep in mind the sheriff looks the other way when they seem them. Something needs to get done. As far as going to the elders in the community, they only can do as much as they can.
Then, they wonder WHY amish get in the situations they do......
hobochet

AOL

#16 Oct 29, 2010
Russ PLEASE COME OUT TO Northern Wayne County and do a story on the "Swartzentuber Amish". Every night sometimes early in the morning at 2:00 am I hear a buggy going pass, look out the window, and can not see them, I think of your story. Law Enforcement will not help us.
slow down

Cleveland, OH

#17 Oct 29, 2010
lynn wrote:
What happened with Mrs. Kauffman is a great tragedy. However, blaming the 'English' for accidents such as this is unfair. I live in an area surrounded by Amish. They are very dangerous on the roads. They have to realize they are on roads meant for vehicles traveling at speeds greater than themselves. I have crowned hills countless times in my area to find an Amish buggy slowly plugging along in the middle of the road. THEY are the ones creating this dangerous situation. Night is the most dangerous. i came upon 2 separate buggies last week just after dark. I certainly can't travel down the road with a cheap glow in the dark triangle on the back of my vehicle, or a small candle-lit lantern hanging off the back of my car. if the Amish want to use our roads, THEY should abide by the same traffic laws regarding safety that the rest of us have to follow.
what do you mean use "our" roads? the roads belong to them as well, and I guess they have to use them to get from point "A" to point "B".
breilly09

Morocco, IN

#18 Dec 24, 2010
Hello, I also live where there the Amish community is many. Let me tell you my story. On Sept. 14, 2008 we were coming home from a weekend vacation in Hazelhurst WI on our Harley. We were about 3 miles from home when my husband said Hang on, the Amish buggy just ran the stop sigh. I have no memory if any of that or for the next few months after. The 19 year old boy admits to running the stop sign and then turns left with no hand signal of any sort and we crashed into them. They carry no insurance of any kind. I lost my job and to this day still see doctors for the pain I'm in and can not find a lawyer to take this case. He didn't even recieve a ticket for running the stop sign. Head truama, brain trauma, bleeding in the brain, fractures and brakes in my face, lost some teeth, broke my ear, lost some hearing, fractured my ribs, crushed my arm muscles tissues and I can't find a lawyer to take my case. The Amish run stop signs, deviate, very young children drive those buggies and we the English have to be 16 to start driving????
My whole life has changed since this accident, the young boy and his famiy doesn't haven't to pay a penny and they have a huge family farm and a very wealthy family. But my insurance had to pay big time.

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