Vt. willow harvest promises cheap bio...

Vt. willow harvest promises cheap biomass fuel

There are 40 comments on the Brattleboro Reformer story from Oct 19, 2009, titled Vt. willow harvest promises cheap biomass fuel. In it, Brattleboro Reformer reports that:

Middlebury College used to heat its buildings with oil, then switched to wood chips.

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flat lander

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#1 Oct 19, 2009
he we go with inconsistencies on trees and fuel and logging and environment and and and again. Is this good or bad for who or what or why. HERE WE GO AROUND and I will watch rather then get dizzy on that ride.
mike mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#2 Oct 19, 2009
That is the feel good really expensive environmental-green energy for rich kids....feel good rich people’s symbolism for their children....that is impoverishing the poor.
Greenism has became the new expensive status symbol.

That is the feel good really expensive environmental-green energy for rich kids....feel good rich people’s symbolism for their children....that is impoverishing the poor.
Greenism has became the new expensive status symbol.

I wonder how many teachers and college professors did they trade for wood chip symbolism environmental energy.

mike mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#3 Oct 19, 2009
Haven't woke up yet.
mike mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#4 Oct 19, 2009
http://www.nacubo.org/Business_Officer_Magazi...

“In fact, the wood-chip contract structure is perhaps the most interesting aspect of the project. Such arrangements can be risky, since it’s often difficult to obtain long-term contracts. The typically small-scale operators, for whom chip sales are a sideline, can go out of business whenever the timber market takes a downturn. Middlebury mitigates this possibility by using up to a dozen suppliers. Rather than deal with individual suppliers directly, the college has a three-year contract with a forest products company that serves as a broker, arranging for fuel purchases and deliveries, which average three truckloads per day. The contract is structured so that the broker has an incentive to get the best possible price per ton from suppliers: The lower the price per ton, the higher the fee Middlebury pays the broker. Eventually, the college plans to grow some portion of its own wood supply.

So they are going to make the middle man rich by this...the broker. They are paying the broker to squeeze the forest worker and drivers.
mike mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#5 Oct 19, 2009
Who cares what the lives of the bottom feeders look like...I wonder what the wages are for these people and do they have medical...but i surely look good with this green symbolism.

That is the problem in a nut shell with green energy...will the works of the corpocracy over the planetary energy and economic emergency just create the excuse of making big profits and enslaving a whole new group of people? Our atmosphere is in crisis so we need special permission to abuse a large population of people...we got to close our eyes to “justice” for the little guy in providing green energy for the rich!

So will slave labor, how about slave quality safety for the expectation of truck safety, money for maintenance and driver hours...is dehumanization wages and income going to support the rich in the quest to save the planet from global warming?

What do you call it when these unsafe forest trucks wipe out a innocent family in a road accident...rich greenism and symbolism collateral damage?
smedley

New Berlin, NY

#6 Oct 19, 2009
We hear a lot about unintended consequences in governmental and corporate actions. It should be recognized and applauded that, far from being a vehicle for enlightened debate, these postings, as anonymous opportunities for expression, have revolutionized communication options for those whose synaptic challenges have left them otherwise inarticulate. I remember the criticism of the singing pig, that she could not hold the melody properly. The answer was that, far from criticizing her for bad singing, we should admire her for singing at all. In this daily melange of discordant clangor, we have, indeed, ipso very facto.
mike mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#7 Oct 19, 2009
Yep, that would be a good project for the students to investigate the truck driver broker system, is it ethical and moral...what are the wages and benefits of the forest worker who supply the energy for Middlebury College?

You got to know they will bring in illegal immigrants to plant, take care of and cut down willow trees. What is the target wage and benefits for the willow tree harvester? Right, they will get the lowest cost person broker or temp service company...that sets up a huge population of really poor and powerless people who are being held hostage to green environmentalism that supplies so called altruistic energy to the rich.

The typical broker system in the truck driver industry is a system that is designed to give a advantage to the broker and to the parent company...it is a massive mismatch of power against the bottom level employees and the elites...it is a system that enslaves truck drivers in minimum wage and being out on the road most of their lives.
mike mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#8 Oct 19, 2009
A truck driver generically walks into a broker with little education and experience...while the broker is highly experience. It is a untransparent system...the truck driver is blind while the broker lives in a transparent world. That is how they make money over ignorance.

The theme with green energy and Middlebury college is untransparency...but because we are in a planetary emergency all facets of energy should be completely transparent. That should be the new ideals of environmental energy from soup to nuts...from the production of energy products, to its subsidies from various entities and governments, to disposing of the waste products.

It’s mandatory truth telling and honesty. It is time for everyone to get naked!

I wonder if the operation of the boilers and turbine are contracted out...what are the wages and benefits for these employee?

Middlebury college doesn’t want to look a man in the eyes and say this is the income and wages you are worth...so they pay the middle man big bucks at Middlebury to steal wages from the support workers of the collage.
massachusetts resident

Easthampton, MA

#9 Oct 19, 2009
It's welsome news that Middlebury Colege is contemplating the idea that if enough people burn wood for fuel or electricity, there may be a problem on the horizon. Perhaps they are aware that Massachusetts proposed power plants have their eyes on Vermont forests are sources for their power projects. The part I wonder about is when do the researches start to figure out that soil depletion will stop their experment in it's tracks. After all, that's what happens with every other agricultural use of land.
mike mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#10 Oct 19, 2009
I mean, who invented this energy world of propriety, privacy, secrets for competitive reason and constructed blindness...non transparency where people can gain a huge advantage by keeping a secret or comes upon breaking through a secret. Is keeping secrets part of the measure of our nation's productives and effeciency.

This whole system abuses the world population at large and gains a huge advantage to the bureaucracy, pays huge amounts of money to unproductive players in the system, steals from the innocent; the betters, wagers, game players and politics of this wagering gestalt for energy in our society...how can this be good to the outcome of the planet?

We recognize it is absolute chaos with the cost and supply of energy out there. Then we want to create a wagering system in order to regulate the cost, supply and the amount of CO2 in the air? We are going to let the dog track owners set the speed of each greyhound and we think this is a incorruptible system. What the heck is wrong with us?

Ok, so we want to get rid of the insurance companies in the medical care....who is the equivalent in our energy system?
dangerprobe

Granby, MA

#11 Oct 19, 2009
I guess after biomass burners have converted Vermont's forested landscape into atmospheric carbon they can use the state's pastures and fields for another dirty fuel source.

The burner planned for the town where I work wants to burn Vermont trees. We've got a campaign going to strike biomass burning from the "green energy" list in Massachusetts (see www.stopspewingcarbon.com ) Perhaps fiscal conservatives and supporters of real sustainable energy in Vermont can do the same...
mike mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#12 Oct 19, 2009
Yep, we already seen how biofuels ethanol displaced corn and other crops just months ago, that boosted up food prices across and board and led to increasing poverty and starvation on a world wide bases. Didn’t the UN warn us that biofuels was a direct threat to starvation?

You know they will be trucking it in from the Midwest because it will be drastically cheaper...cloging up our road and railroad?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/05/business/05...

Rise in Ethanol Raises Concerns About Corn as a Food
CHICAGO, Jan. 4 — Renewing concerns about whether there will be enough corn to support the demand for both fuel and food, a new study has found that ethanol plants could use as much as half of America’s corn crop next year.
Dozens of new ethanol plants are being built by farmers and investors in a furious gold rush, spurred by a call last year from the Bush administration and politicians from farm states to produce more renewable fuels to curb America’s reliance on oil. But the new study by the Earth Policy Institute, an environmental group, found that the number of ethanol plants coming on line has been underreported by more than 25 percent by both the Agriculture Department and the Renewable Fuels Association, the ethanol industry’s main lobbying group.

UN Find Food Shortages Created by Ethanol a “Catastrophe”
Written on November 27, 2007
HelenaIR.com reports a United Nations representative says biofuel production is a growing “catastrophe” for poor people as it has created food shortages and raised the cost of food exponentially. In one year the cost of wheat has doubled in price, and maize, quadrupled. These prices have left countries, such as Africa, unable to afford importing their food. 232 kilograms of maize creates 50 liters of ethanol, but it could also feed a child in a poor country for an entire year. They are looking for a five-year moratorium on ethanol production until technology can improve to use wastes of crops
mike mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#13 Oct 19, 2009
Everyone knows my railroad project with discovering a pre 1900 locomotive roundhouse. It is astonishing looking towards Wantastiquet mountain and our surrounding forest through these late 1800 photographs. That mountain right outside our front door was denuded and bare. Believe me those tall trees we see today weren’t there in those pictures. See for yourself in the library?

Did you know there were many wood powered steam locomotives in Vermont?
mike mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#14 Oct 19, 2009
Hmm, the Canadian boarder is about 60 miles from Middlebury college, they say they accept chips from 75 miles away, are they importing chips from Canada?

Bet you the willows tree substitutes will grow faster in Mexico, compact them...then ship them north?
flat lander

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#15 Oct 19, 2009
that's the Vermont way tell you to buy local and buy vermont goods but they can do what they want they are so full of holes they want us to carry there water how white of those elite snobs teaching mind control in disguise of nature
mike mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#16 Oct 19, 2009
Heck, with the price of wood chip collapsing because of our economy...you know the wood and forest industry is hurting because of the collapse of our housing sectors...what a opportune time for Middlebury College to take advantage of the starving forest workers and truck drivers.

These smart guys up there in a elite collage are sure teaching your kids how to squeeze the poor and regular people in a economic emergency.
mike mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#17 Oct 19, 2009
Christopher Recchia, executive director at the Montpelier-based Biomass Energy Research Project, a nonprofit that promotes biofuels, said the best estimates now are that willow would cost more than twice as much as wood chips, currently about $8 per million Btu. Willow would be competitive with wood pellets, which are about $23 per million Btu
and oil, about $32 per million Btu.

What a joke, they are talking about the price of oil up there at $4.25 per gal at $32 per million btu, while we got fuel oil this year at $2.25 per gallon, that get us down to about $17.25 per million btu’s...

So you are off by a little less than half.

Fuel Unit Cost $/Gal. Unit Cost $/MMBTUs
$2.50 $18.03
$2.60 $18.75
$2.70 $19.47
$2.80 $20.19
$2.90 $20.91
$3.00 $21.63
$3.10 $22.35
$3.20 $23.07
$3.30 $23.79
$3.40 $24.51
$3.50 $25.24
$3.60 $25.96
$3.70 $26.68
$3.80 $27.40
$3.90 $28.12
$4.00 $28.84
mike mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#18 Oct 19, 2009
See, there is absolutely no honesty with the reporting the policy facts concerning energy...it just is whatever makes our side look good.
mike mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#19 Oct 19, 2009
But that is interesting they didn’t define it as Vermont produced wood chips, or Vermont wood chips and within 75 miles ...they said within 75 miles.

They used the oil cost at the height of the energy bubble...did they use the wood chip price equivalently at the height of the wood bubble, or are they basing the wood chip cost at the current depressionary cost.

Is it more expensive than when they heated by fuel oil and used the grid...than is it today? How do we contrast the cost of the wood and then the fuel oil/grid?

I don’t know if they are using natural gas or other ingredients in support of this...do they massage the water content through dryers before it comes to the college....so do we know the total cost.
mike mulligan

Roslindale, MA

#20 Oct 19, 2009
It was advertise as a payback for 11 year at the beginning of 2009 ...today they are advertising it as a 25 year pay back?

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