UPDATE - Concern over biomass plant growing in Williamstown

The number of local residents concerned about a proposed biomass plant and wood pellet-manufacturing facility just over the state line continues to grow. Full Story
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A Jackson

Middlebury, VT

#1 Oct 21, 2010
Here come the lawyers.
its more

Granville, NY

#2 Oct 21, 2010
Its going to more than just that
Pavan

Tewksbury, MA

#3 Oct 21, 2010
First, they come for the biomass facility, then they come for your wood stove. If its bad to burn wood at the biomass facility, why should they let you use a wood stove or fireplace at your house? The Nanny state knows no limits.
Tired of the BS

Pittsfield, MA

#4 Oct 21, 2010
There is a BIG difference between 6 to 7 cord of seasoned fire wood a year and 12 to 15 cord of green wood an hour. (Not to mention the loss of upwards of 30,000 gallons of water an hour.)
GrnMtnBoy

Watseka, IL

#5 Oct 21, 2010
Tired of the BS wrote:
There is a BIG difference between 6 to 7 cord of seasoned fire wood a year and 12 to 15 cord of green wood an hour.(Not to mention the loss of upwards of 30,000 gallons of water an hour.)
Yes, there is a big difference. The average wood stove is being choked, barely getting air, burning very inefficiently. The bio-mass furnace will be burning hotter, burning the gases rather than emitting them out the chimney.

The last USDA report that I read on the condition of the forests in the northeast stated that we are growing more wood fiber than what is being harvested. And the last few years we've lost several pulpmills. Those that have survived have cut back on paper production. Which leaves a market and need for the fiber no longer used at pulpmills.

As long as no ones well goes dry or fish die, so what if they use 30,000 gallons of water. How much do you think the Town of Williamstown uses? North Adams? Bennington? Pittsfield?
tired

Granville, NY

#6 Oct 21, 2010
GrnMtnBoy wrote:
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Yes, there is a big difference. The average wood stove is being choked, barely getting air, burning very inefficiently. The bio-mass furnace will be burning hotter, burning the gases rather than emitting them out the chimney.
Yawn....

biomass. 30% efficient. <- Not good.

This is a quick buck to the developers that will turn it over for cash in the VERY near future. The new owners will apply AND RECEIVE the authorization to burn garbage.

Keep it up, Pownal an Williamstown. We CAN and WILL stop this.
Also tired

New Haven, CT

#7 Oct 21, 2010
"As long as no ones well goes dry or fish die, so what if they use 30,000 gallons of water. How much do you think the Town of Williamstown uses? North Adams? Bennington? Pittsfield?"

The worlds fresh water supply is drying up and you say so what if they use 30,000 gallons an hour. I guess we can all get rid of our low flow toilets and not worry about conservation like we've been taught all these years.
Sam Tesh

Pilot Mountain, NC

#8 Oct 21, 2010
Any biomass burner is nothing but a new name to fool the public about the act of burning anything the owners can get their hands on. The owners will be burning whole trees, and maybe burning the material that once was going into the landfill or even the old tires that come off car and trucks.(if they say this statement is untrue get they to sign a contract with the public and make the owners give the contracts out to the public and then watch the results from the owners.) Most of the owners will tell half-trues when talking to the pblic or the newpapers or the news service.

If want to read the truth go to the www.blue ridge environmental defence league.com .
TruthTellert

Norwich, VT

#9 Oct 21, 2010
tired wrote:
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Yawn....
biomass. 30% efficient. <- Not good.
This is a quick buck to the developers that will turn it over for cash in the VERY near future. The new owners will apply AND RECEIVE the authorization to burn garbage.
Keep it up, Pownal an Williamstown. We CAN and WILL stop this.
30% efficiency?-- Post proof of your claim.

Here's betting you don't, because its not true and you know you are lying.
TruthTellert

Norwich, VT

#10 Oct 21, 2010
Sam Tesh wrote:
Any biomass burner is nothing but a new name to fool the public about the act of burning anything the owners can get their hands on. The owners will be burning whole trees, and maybe burning the material that once was going into the landfill or even the old tires that come off car and trucks.(if they say this statement is untrue get they to sign a contract with the public and make the owners give the contracts out to the public and then watch the results from the owners.) Most of the owners will tell half-trues when talking to the pblic or the newpapers or the news service.
If want to read the truth go to the www.blue ridge environmental defence league.com .
You need to stop the lying too. The permit will specify what can be burned, and its not going to be anything and everything.
questions remain

Holyoke, MA

#11 Oct 21, 2010
TTT: I'm not a scientist, but this site has some efficiency ratings pertaining to biomass incineration. I'll keep looking for more info on efficiency -- it's out there, you just need to know where to look.

http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/resourcedata/powera...
NIMBY

Middlebury, VT

#13 Oct 21, 2010
Sam Tesh wrote:
Any biomass burner is nothing but a new name to fool the public about the act of burning anything the owners can get their hands on. The owners will be burning whole trees, and maybe burning the material that once was going into the landfill or even the old tires that come off car and trucks.(if they say this statement is untrue get they to sign a contract with the public and make the owners give the contracts out to the public and then watch the results from the owners.) Most of the owners will tell half-trues when talking to the pblic or the newpapers or the news service.
If want to read the truth go to the www.blue ridge environmental defence league.com .
More NIMBY lies. Cheaper than a Mass. lawyer, I suppose. When will the antis in town STOP MAKING UP LIES? What's the matter, NIMBYs, can't argue using the truth? Pathetic.
GrnMtnBoy

United States

#15 Oct 22, 2010
Also tired wrote:
"As long as no ones well goes dry or fish die, so what if they use 30,000 gallons of water. How much do you think the Town of Williamstown uses? North Adams? Bennington? Pittsfield?"
The worlds fresh water supply is drying up and you say so what if they use 30,000 gallons an hour. I guess we can all get rid of our low flow toilets and not worry about conservation like we've been taught all these years.
The world's water supply is not drying up. When water evaporates, where does it go? That's 5th grade science. More education dollars wasted.
More water is being used due to the increasing world's population - which no one wants to touch here appearently. That used water of course takes time to get back into the system. For Also tired, that means it has to be excreted by humans, animals, trees, etc., flow through septic systems or the ground, eventually finding it's way into the water table or streams, rivers, oceans, evaporates and falls again as rain.......
Low flush toilets don't work, ask a plumber.
Bandit

Bennington, VT

#16 Oct 22, 2010
It's to bad that every use for the old track property doesn't fit with the life styles of the people in the area. Maybe people would be happy if they just leveled everything and made it a play ground. I sure wouldn't want to be paying taxes on property that I can use, but that seems to be the VT agenda.
Jim

Holyoke, MA

#17 Oct 22, 2010
Every use so far. Come up with the right one and we are good to go. Thats an interesting theory leveled everything and made it a play ground. If one of the ideas was to make it into a nature friendly business like a green camp ground or other similar nature friendly business I would be all for it. There are all kinds of ways to make money, put people to work and help the area. Ones which are bad for nature and people are not an option.
RMida

Philadelphia, PA

#18 Oct 22, 2010
Find out more information on http://www.energyjustice.net/biomass
or download our http://www.energyjustice.net/biomass/factshee... -Biomass Fact Sheet
Josh Schlossberg

Nashua, NH

#19 Oct 22, 2010
If you'd like to learn more about biomass incineration and threats to health, climate and forests, check out my slideshow at: http://www.slideshare.net/BiomassBusters/biom...
TruthTellert

Norwich, VT

#20 Oct 22, 2010
questions remain wrote:
TTT: I'm not a scientist, but this site has some efficiency ratings pertaining to biomass incineration. I'll keep looking for more info on efficiency -- it's out there, you just need to know where to look.
http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/resourcedata/powera...
This is not "incineration." Its an engineered wood boiler. That web table site is talking about every type of fuel from grass to wood. A wood only fuel will have higher BTU values, thus higher efficiency. Which is really not the most important consideration. What is important is how the close to the design efficiency is the plant run. The data in the table shows burning at far less then operating a boiler at 99% plus efficiency. The planned overall efficiency of the proposed pownal plant is over 100%, since the design will use waste heat to dry materials used for pellets, thus cutting the waste factors you see in the table posted on that website.
TruthTellert

Norwich, VT

#21 Oct 22, 2010
Josh Schlossberg wrote:
If you'd like to learn more about biomass incineration and threats to health, climate and forests, check out my slideshow at: http://www.slideshare.net/BiomassBusters/biom...
Does it include stories on the man-made chemicals you claim are in our trees, not to mention the radioactive fallout from the 1950s that you also claim is there in our trees?
TruthTellert

Norwich, VT

#22 Oct 22, 2010
Jim wrote:
Every use so far. Come up with the right one and we are good to go. Thats an interesting theory leveled everything and made it a play ground. If one of the ideas was to make it into a nature friendly business like a green camp ground or other similar nature friendly business I would be all for it. There are all kinds of ways to make money, put people to work and help the area. Ones which are bad for nature and people are not an option.
Just what we need, summer playground jobs at $7 p/h. Everyone can live on that! NOT.

PS: Don't forget the tax cost for water and waste in your playground plan. It might break even in a 100 years.

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