BYSTANDER EFFECT: Why witnesses fail ...

BYSTANDER EFFECT: Why witnesses fail to act

Posted in the Middleburg Forum

First Prev
of 3
Next Last
Westside conservative

Saint Augustine, FL

#1 Sep 10, 2008
BYSTANDER EFFECT: Why witnesses fail to act
Posted: Wednesday, September 10th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

Recently the Times-Union reported on a phenomenon known as the bystander effect, which describes assaults that occur in front of others who decline to intervene.

Now an arrest has been made in a Philadelphia version of the bystander effect that occurred when a dozing subway rider was beaten while at least 10 people watched and chose not to intervene.

Below you’ll find links to the original Times-Union story as well as links to the Philadelphia story and the subway video that was posted on You Tube. Please be aware that the video is graphic in nature.

http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/09/1...
Westside conservative

Saint Augustine, FL

#2 Sep 10, 2008
I am curious why people think this happens. I have a theory but want to hear everybody else's ideas first

“the doctor is in the house”

Since: May 08

jacksonville florida

#4 Sep 10, 2008
well i think they blanked out my first comment! i said most people are chicken shits!

Since: Jul 08

Various, Arizona

#5 Sep 10, 2008
People don't want to get involved because they don't want to get hurt themselves. There were a lot more of them though and they could have easily overpowered this with minimal risk of injury, a lot less than the victim received anyway.
Westside conservative

Saint Augustine, FL

#6 Sep 10, 2008
I think it is a fundamental lack of backbone, leadership, and character. It is a snapshot of what many have become as Americans. We fail to get involved in nearly every aspect of life. Its exactly why crime is out of control, the same cronies get elected to power, and we fail to fix our problems. I think our parent's character were shaped by events prior to us such as World wars, depression, etc. They learned to be strong and independent and yet look out for one another as a community. We have lost that almost entirely. Instead we have given up responsibility for life to the government and let them do all the hard things while demanding independence in defining what character is when in reality the modern definition is absolutely devoid of character.

We don't want to get involved in helping others because its too hard, we don't want to put the effort into it, or its not our responsibility. We have turned our backs on the fundamentals of being good citizens. Its all about me and we only help when it suits us.

Look at the corporate structure where you work, its even there. You have some excellent bosses bu then you have some that are cowards and pass the buck down the line. No backbone, leadership, or character.

There is an old saying that all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. I have begun to wonder if it is that a good man does nothing, how can he truly be a good man.

Since: Jul 07

AOL

#7 Sep 10, 2008
I'm thinking Seinfeld.
p rainwater

Louisville, KY

#8 Sep 10, 2008
icwjohn wrote:
well i think they blanked out my first comment! i said most people are chicken shits!
people are not chicken shits

they just don't give a shit as long as it isn't happening to them.

that's why there is no such thing as neighbors any longer, just other people that happen live close by.

“3 words changed my life ”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#9 Sep 10, 2008
westside...very well put....i agree..plus some people dont want to be inconvenienced. which is pathetic.

Since: Jul 08

Various, Arizona

#10 Sep 11, 2008
Westside conservative wrote:
Look at the corporate structure where you work, its even there. You have some excellent bosses but then you have some that are cowards and pass the buck down the line. No backbone, leadership, or character.
That reminds me of a couple of Division Officers!

Ole Sturdivant Slim

Since: Jul 08

Saint Augustine, FL

#11 Sep 11, 2008
Joe_ wrote:
I'm thinking Seinfeld.
You seem like the type that would fall for that kind of jewish propaganda. You make me sick.

Ole Sturdivant Slim

Since: Jul 08

Saint Augustine, FL

#12 Sep 11, 2008
It's not my duty to help someone out. Chances are if someone is catching a beat down they either asked for it or deserve it. I'm looking out for number one.
Bobbiegurl

Savannah, GA

#13 Sep 11, 2008
Ole Sturdivant Slim wrote:
It's not my duty to help someone out. Chances are if someone is catching a beat down they either asked for it or deserve it. I'm looking out for number one.
Slim, there are instances where that is not true. What about an 80 year old woman getting attacked or a child? Do you think they deserve that? I don't and I can tell you right now if I ever witnessed someone being attacked, I'm jumping in and doing whatever I can.
Westside conservative

Saint Augustine, FL

#14 Sep 11, 2008
Ole Sturdivant Slim wrote:
It's not my duty to help someone out. Chances are if someone is catching a beat down they either asked for it or deserve it. I'm looking out for number one.
You know many people had the same attitudes about blacks being brutalized by racist whites in the south years ago. They would turn their backs and say apparently that black person did something to deserve it. Thankfully there were enough whites who stood up and said this is wrong and stood against the racist twits. I am glad they didn't have the same attitude as you. We might still be turning the other way.

“the doctor is in the house”

Since: May 08

jacksonville florida

#15 Sep 11, 2008
Westside conservative wrote:
<quoted text>
You know many people had the same attitudes about blacks being brutalized by racist whites in the south years ago. They would turn their backs and say apparently that black person did something to deserve it. Thankfully there were enough whites who stood up and said this is wrong and stood against the racist twits. I am glad they didn't have the same attitude as you. We might still be turning the other way.
bring it back! bring it back!

Ole Sturdivant Slim

Since: Jul 08

Saint Augustine, FL

#16 Sep 11, 2008
Westside conservative wrote:
<quoted text>
You know many people had the same attitudes about blacks being brutalized by racist whites in the south years ago. They would turn their backs and say apparently that black person did something to deserve it. Thankfully there were enough whites who stood up and said this is wrong and stood against the racist twits. I am glad they didn't have the same attitude as you. We might still be turning the other way.
Hmmm that's an interesting parallel. Let's not forget the savagery of the white man during the plantation era. Often the black man was "asking for it" if he used the wrong restroom, didn't want to work or talked to a white women.

Let's also not forget that had the white man had morals to begin with he would have never thought himself superior to other races and cultures. History will show that the white man as a whole has no interest in living peacefully with those who's views are different from their own. Those they couldn't convert to their way of thinking were raped, stolen from and killed.

Using the white man as an example of how to do the right thing is laughable. One might argue he is the most immoral of all the races in history. The scum of this earth. We should be more surprised that there were actually whites who shunned the way blacks were treated during the era. Most were cowards who, even if they did not like it, would never speak against the establishment.

Your mutated race has created more hell on this earth than all the other races combined. A truly disgusting breed.
Westside conservative

Saint Augustine, FL

#17 Sep 11, 2008
Ole Sturdivant Slim wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmm that's an interesting parallel. Let's not forget the savagery of the white man during the plantation era. Often the black man was "asking for it" if he used the wrong restroom, didn't want to work or talked to a white women.
Let's also not forget that had the white man had morals to begin with he would have never thought himself superior to other races and cultures. History will show that the white man as a whole has no interest in living peacefully with those who's views are different from their own. Those they couldn't convert to their way of thinking were raped, stolen from and killed.
Using the white man as an example of how to do the right thing is laughable. One might argue he is the most immoral of all the races in history. The scum of this earth. We should be more surprised that there were actually whites who shunned the way blacks were treated during the era. Most were cowards who, even if they did not like it, would never speak against the establishment.
Your mutated race has created more hell on this earth than all the other races combined. A truly disgusting breed.
Okay. If you want to go there then I will go with you.

Lets just all sit and think how slavery could have been ended had Africans stood up in their tribes and said its not right to sell our fellow Africans to the white man as slaves. We should stop this terrible practice of trading our brothers for European trinkets. We should stand together as one people and tell the white man no more. Instead slavery was ended by white folks who refused to turn the other way anymore. They stood up and even gave their lives to end it.

Interestingly slavery is still existent in many parts of Africa, the Dominican Republic, and other places. Too bad they won't stand up and do the right thing.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/slavery1.html

I guess now that Africans are the ones still promoting slave trade throughout the world that doesn't make whitey nearly as bad as you make him out to be.

http://www.anti-slaverysociety.addr.com/slave...

“the doctor is in the house”

Since: May 08

jacksonville florida

#18 Sep 11, 2008
Ole Sturdivant Slim wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmm that's an interesting parallel. Let's not forget the savagery of the white man during the plantation era. Often the black man was "asking for it" if he used the wrong restroom, didn't want to work or talked to a white women.
Let's also not forget that had the white man had morals to begin with he would have never thought himself superior to other races and cultures. History will show that the white man as a whole has no interest in living peacefully with those who's views are different from their own. Those they couldn't convert to their way of thinking were raped, stolen from and killed.
Using the white man as an example of how to do the right thing is laughable. One might argue he is the most immoral of all the races in history. The scum of this earth. We should be more surprised that there were actually whites who shunned the way blacks were treated during the era. Most were cowards who, even if they did not like it, would never speak against the establishment.
Your mutated race has created more hell on this earth than all the other races combined. A truly disgusting breed.
and we are just going to get worse boy!

Ole Sturdivant Slim

Since: Jul 08

Saint Augustine, FL

#19 Sep 11, 2008
Westside conservative wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay. If you want to go there then I will go with you.
Lets just all sit and think how slavery could have been ended had Africans stood up in their tribes and said its not right to sell our fellow Africans to the white man as slaves. We should stop this terrible practice of trading our brothers for European trinkets. We should stand together as one people and tell the white man no more. Instead slavery was ended by white folks who refused to turn the other way anymore. They stood up and even gave their lives to end it.
Interestingly slavery is still existent in many parts of Africa, the Dominican Republic, and other places. Too bad they won't stand up and do the right thing.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/slavery1.html
I guess now that Africans are the ones still promoting slave trade throughout the world that doesn't make whitey nearly as bad as you make him out to be.
http://www.anti-slaverysociety.addr.com/slave...
The Africans never tried to live by some kind of moral, christian code either. The Amerikans don't get a pass for the way they treated blacks once they got to the plantation or for the ways they tried to oppress them once the chains came off.

“the doctor is in the house”

Since: May 08

jacksonville florida

#20 Sep 11, 2008
Ole Sturdivant Slim wrote:
<quoted text>
The Africans never tried to live by some kind of moral, christian code either. The Amerikans don't get a pass for the way they treated blacks once they got to the plantation or for the ways they tried to oppress them once the chains came off.
then once again it is the same old passage! go back with your moralless bros and leave us the hell alone! we were better off without you people anyway!
Westside conservative

Saint Augustine, FL

#21 Sep 11, 2008
Ole Sturdivant Slim wrote:
<quoted text>
The Africans never tried to live by some kind of moral, christian code either. The Amerikans don't get a pass for the way they treated blacks once they got to the plantation or for the ways they tried to oppress them once the chains came off.
That wasn't the argument. The argument was about why people stand by and allow terrible wrongs to occur without doing anything. Since you were unable to fight my argument you changed the debate. Are you now saying that Africans are justified in slavery because they have lesser morals? Is genocide ok because Africans don't have morals? You sound like every person who ever donned a white sheet and burned a cross. You can't ride both streams of thought. Although it does explain your feelings of lack of need to help your fellow man.

The argument centrally comes back to if people do nothing to stop wrongs, then they continue. Then why do they do nothing?

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 3
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Middleburg Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Florida - Girls Gone Wild Founder Sentenced For... (Apr '07) Tue Servicedoglili 8
I got caught wearing panties (Aug '10) Tue carb1 73
Anheiser Bush Survey Mon Roger on the Ale 1
Sugar daddy Nov 18 Lane4233 2
Nasty Celebrations Restaurant FINALLY closed down! Nov 18 Lane4233 1
Anyone have any news/gossip/thoughts about Fort... (Sep '16) Nov 18 Lane4233 4
Chitlin Ice Cream Nov 16 Crazy world 1

Middleburg Jobs

More from around the web

Personal Finance

Middleburg Mortgages