Businesses complain about gambling law

Businesses complain about gambling law

There are 77 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jul 16, 2007, titled Businesses complain about gambling law. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Business owners whose livelihood depends in part on video gambling machines say they may sue the state over a crackdown on the devices that they say is unconstitutional.

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bmj

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Jul 16, 2007
give me a break.what about the illegal pea shake houses that are flagrantly open every day.is someone being paid off?
Cinder

Wayne, NJ

#3 Jul 16, 2007
Hey government, stop telling me what I can or can't do. My gambling, I don't actually use these machines and am more referring to online poker, is not hurting anyone. If I want to put my money at risk, that is no business of yours.
Doofus Sighter

Carmel, IN

#4 Jul 16, 2007
Wah Wah Wah!

Since: Mar 07

Beecher, IL

#5 Jul 16, 2007
Lets see, they are against the law and these businesses are whining? They should be glad they are not in jail.

Sorry your business cannot make it without these illegal machines, it maybe time to rethink your business model. What is next, they cannot make it without prostitution, and illegal drugs?

For the pea shake comment, the city did crack down on it for a while. The State had no ability to step in since those facilites do not sell alcohol or tobacco or are required to have a state permit. Call the Mayor and tell him to throw his cronies in jail.
Mike

Euclid, OH

#6 Jul 16, 2007
fred1 wrote:
Sorry your business cannot make it without these illegal machines, it maybe time to rethink your business model. What is next, they cannot make it without prostitution, and illegal drugs?
Worked for the horse tracks. Got their start and kept open with subsidies from gamblin' boats. Found out they weren't raking in millions like they wanted and got the state to let them have slots.

Why change business plans if you can just change laws.
fluteman

Palo Alto, CA

#7 Jul 16, 2007
fred1 wrote:
Lets see, they are against the law and these businesses are whining? They should be glad they are not in jail.
Sorry your business cannot make it without these illegal machines, it maybe time to rethink your business model. What is next, they cannot make it without prostitution, and illegal drugs?
For the pea shake comment, the city did crack down on it for a while. The State had no ability to step in since those facilites do not sell alcohol or tobacco or are required to have a state permit. Call the Mayor and tell him to throw his cronies in jail.
There are many establishments in Frankfort that do not sell alcohol or tobacco that had the machines so based on your comment I guess those establishments are safe from the state. That would mean they only have to deal with the local law.
Do not kid yourself

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Jul 16, 2007
I love this state...you can gamble, as long as it is "good gambling" like the lottery or the casinos but if you want "bad gambling" shame on you!
Lance

Carmel, IN

#10 Jul 16, 2007
Here's a solution quit voting in officals that make these laws. Change is in the hands of the public. VOTE LIBERTARIAN.

Since: Mar 07

Beecher, IL

#11 Jul 16, 2007
fluteman wrote:
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There are many establishments in Frankfort that do not sell alcohol or tobacco that had the machines so based on your comment I guess those establishments are safe from the state. That would mean they only have to deal with the local law.
Unless the law has changed, you are right. What types of businesses are you discussing? The only ones I am familiar with are truck stops, private clubs, bars etc.....
easy

Chicago, IL

#12 Jul 16, 2007
I completely understand why the machines and operators must be licensed. There is a need to police the ops and keep the games honest.

If there is no problem with the boats installing the bandits, there is not reason not to license anyone else.

However, there is a limited amount of gaming dollars. When everyone has a machine in their business, the guy that believes he needs a machine to make his business profitable will understand that he is sharing the gambler's dollars with thousands of others. And the returns will be minimal.

The real reason why the bars and clubs will never get a license is taxes. Mayors prefer gambling in boats because the mayor easily gets his vig. Its like a legal shake-down. Da mayerz guys don't gotta walk da streetz ta collect. Itz all in a coupla spotz and easier ta git.
Circle City Slicker

Bridgeport, WV

#13 Jul 16, 2007
I hope you gamblers out there take notice-- the business is going under because they cannot have the gaming devices? Then that means the HOUSE wins more often than the PLAYER. Wise up folks, you're just throwing your hard earned dollars away for nothing. Find something better to do with your time.
fluteman

Palo Alto, CA

#14 Jul 16, 2007
fred1 wrote:
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Unless the law has changed, you are right. What types of businesses are you discussing? The only ones I am familiar with are truck stops, private clubs, bars etc.....
Mainly what they call smoke shops or coffee shops. The smoke shops do not necessarily sell tobacco. They get their name from older retired railroader types sitting around jawing with each other and playing gin.
individual

San Jose, CA

#15 Jul 16, 2007
Miscreants in government aren't anti-grambling, they're miffed over the fact that they're not skimming and extorting monies from the gambling devices. The politicians have a political patronage hiring system and its got to be fed with the hiring of more and more bureaucrats. Naturally the taxpayers will be tapped again for the lion's share of the cost of these incompetents.

Article says 16 extra officers hired to go after the video gambling machines. And don't forget these union thugs have hefty retirement plan that taxes are being increased to fund. After-all these mandarins fund -0- of their retirement.

And articles says an administrative position created to revoke liquor, tobacco and/or retail licenses. This means another layer of bureaucrats will be added.

Way to go Mitch. It's a close call of who's the most anti-taxpayer ... you or former Governor Frank O'Bannon. If you're not ahead, you're gain on fat frank.
pitboss

Columbus, IN

#16 Jul 16, 2007
Do not kid yourself wrote:
I love this state...you can gamble, as long as it is "good gambling" like the lottery or the casinos but if you want "bad gambling" shame on you!
Sure, the state wants their cut.
individual

San Jose, CA

#17 Jul 16, 2007
fred1 wrote:
Lets see, they are against the law and these businesses are whining? They should be glad they are not in jail.
Sorry your business cannot make it without these illegal machines, it maybe time to rethink your business model. What is next, they cannot make it without prostitution, and illegal drugs?
For the pea shake comment, the city did crack down on it for a while. The State had no ability to step in since those facilites do not sell alcohol or tobacco or are required to have a state permit. Call the Mayor and tell him to throw his cronies in jail.
Seems somewhat hypocritical in that if government involved and extorting monies it's okay. But "gambling" when government not getting it's take right off the top, it's illegal.

Rest assured that retailers with video gambling machines will put the winning to uses that are far more beneficial to society than if the monies flowed to government whatwith its mandarins and its poor stewardship.
Ralph Wiggum

Columbus, IN

#18 Jul 16, 2007
Boo hoo Bill Eldridge! If you need these machines to survive, you aren't much of a business man are you?
Cory

Indianapolis, IN

#20 Jul 16, 2007
In West Virginia, there are four casinos at each of the tracks, both dog and pony. ALSO, bars are permitted to have legitimate slot machines, up to 3 per establishment. The difference there is, the bar owners make just 1% of the players winnings, the same as on the sale of lottery tickets and scratch-offs. Give the same scaled down licensing and payouts to the bar owners as with the tracks and I'd take odds on how many would jump at the chance. In other words ... none would.

Legit machines yes, Ripoff Cherry Masters, good ridance. They were a real sucker-bet, lining the pockets of the machine and bar owners, pockets.

Since: Mar 07

Beecher, IL

#21 Jul 16, 2007
fluteman wrote:
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Mainly what they call smoke shops or coffee shops. The smoke shops do not necessarily sell tobacco. They get their name from older retired railroader types sitting around jawing with each other and playing gin.
From what I have read, the State will not pursue them, but I would bet they would lean on the locals to enforce it.

Since: Mar 07

Beecher, IL

#22 Jul 16, 2007
individual wrote:
Miscreants in government aren't anti-grambling, they're miffed over the fact that they're not skimming and extorting monies from the gambling devices. The politicians have a political patronage hiring system and its got to be fed with the hiring of more and more bureaucrats. Naturally the taxpayers will be tapped again for the lion's share of the cost of these incompetents.
Article says 16 extra officers hired to go after the video gambling machines. And don't forget these union thugs have hefty retirement plan that taxes are being increased to fund. After-all these mandarins fund -0- of their retirement.
And articles says an administrative position created to revoke liquor, tobacco and/or retail licenses. This means another layer of bureaucrats will be added.
Way to go Mitch. It's a close call of who's the most anti-taxpayer ... you or former Governor Frank O'Bannon. If you're not ahead, you're gain on fat frank.
Wow, to even think of calling the Governor who balanced the budget without tax increases and has cut budgets and surpluses to hold the line on tax increases, anti taxpayer shows a lack of information on your part. Let me guess, you smoke and gamble illegally?

Since: Mar 07

Beecher, IL

#23 Jul 16, 2007
individual wrote:
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Seems somewhat hypocritical in that if government involved and extorting monies it's okay. But "gambling" when government not getting it's take right off the top, it's illegal.
Rest assured that retailers with video gambling machines will put the winning to uses that are far more beneficial to society than if the monies flowed to government whatwith its mandarins and its poor stewardship.
You are right, the business owners crank the odds to the point where the machines are paying maybe 50% and lining their pockets with the rest. That is a good use of the idiot gamblers money. The lottery has cut my excise tax, I say keep it up.

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