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Springboro schools reassure parents about safety

There are 39 comments on the WHIO story from Dec 17, 2012, titled Springboro schools reassure parents about safety. In it, WHIO reports that:

Springboro Schools sent out a message to parents over the weekend. It was designed to reassure the community that the district is doing all it can to ensure school safety.

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Cincinnati, OH

#23 Dec 23, 2012
ponder these questions wrote:
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Without a doubt, strengthening security outside the buildings would help in deterring certain types of attacks. But still anything could happen. What would happen if one such defense perimeters were compromised by an attacker?
Shots are heard inside of a school. Where are the locations of perimeter police officers? Where are the teachers and administrators? Which party is in a better position to save lives of schoolchildren and fellow faculty? Which party is in a better place to act as First Responders?
Again, the party in the better position to save lives of school children and faculty members INSIDE our schools, is the armed party OUTSIDE the school buildings. This is just one thought, but possibly a check point of all persons coming onto school grounds, including students, faculty, and community volunteers.
questions to ponder

Dayton, OH

#24 Dec 23, 2012
Answer wrote:
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Again, the party in the better position to save lives of school children and faculty members INSIDE our schools, is the armed party OUTSIDE the school buildings. This is just one thought, but possibly a check point of all persons coming onto school grounds, including students, faculty, and community volunteers.
In the scenario you've drawn, each and every instructional building would in converted into something approaching an armed fortress. All six respective buildings - Five Points, Clearcreek, S.I, and the group of buildings that contains Dennis, the Jr High and SHS - all would each have to be 100% fenced in order to ensure each and every person entering school grounds "funneled" through a policed front entry gate.

Like many prominant law enforcement and legislators have voiced, I like the idea of having First Responders either police or armed staff inside the schools. In the event a gunman breaches the exterior security measures including door buzzers, these First Responders would be THERE, not posted two or three minutes away at the end of the driveway.
Many survivors of America's school shootings have repeated over and over that things may have turned out different had someone INSIDE their school had been trained and armed. The precious minutes in wait for First Responders (police/ SWAT) are usually the same precious minutes innocent lives are put to an end.

Your comments are very much appreciated.
ponder this answer

Dayton, OH

#25 Dec 24, 2012
Answer wrote:
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btw- another question:
Why hasn't someone on this blog mentioned that there was an armed gunman in the building during the columbine school tragedy; and does anyone know where to reference news articles that include this information?
I think this is what you were looking for.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/colu...

This policeman in his own words said... "he wasn't there"... when 2 brother gunmen murdered 13 at Columbine High School on April 20, 1999. More questions: Why wasn't this policeman at the school, or even better, IN the school when the 2 brother attackers began their murdering rampage? Don't you think it's possible the attackers could have scouted this policeman's habits from day to day, looking for a specific time when Columbine might be at its most vulnerable of points?

IF...there were multiple school staff members at Columbine with access to conceal and carry weapons, the brother attackers most certainly would have been aware of this school policy.
In contrast to the obviousness of police officers in their uniforms, it would have been next to impossible for the attackers to discover the identities / scout the habits of Columbine's in-school conceal and carry defenders.

In the scenario above, is it plausible doubt and apprehension about not knowing unseen defensive factors been enough to completely thwart the Columbine attack? Maybe. Maybe not. Of course what happened in Columbine can be played out hypothetically in any number of directions. There's one thing for certain: the more fear, apprehension, questions or doubt that can be installed into a plotter's mind, the more injuries and lives that may be potentially saved.
Ponder This

Cincinnati, OH

#26 Dec 25, 2012
No matter which way you ponder it, the best plan for keeping our school children and faculty safe inside our hallways and classrooms is to keep unstable intruders with intent to do harm outside our school hallways and classrooms.
beatrice

Dayton, OH

#27 Dec 25, 2012
Ponder This wrote:
No matter which way you ponder it, the best plan for keeping our school children and faculty safe inside our hallways and classrooms is to keep unstable intruders with intent to do harm outside our school hallways and classrooms.
Thanks alot Mr. Obvious!
Mr Obvious

Cincinnati, OH

#28 Dec 26, 2012
beatrice wrote:
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Thanks alot Mr. Obvious!
You are welcome!
"Have a super sparkly day!
Or...."Just have a day of your own choice!"
the precious seconds

Dayton, OH

#29 Dec 27, 2012
Ponder This wrote:
No matter which way you ponder it, the best plan for keeping our school children and faculty safe inside our hallways and classrooms is to keep unstable intruders with intent to do harm outside our school hallways and classrooms.
Please answer this...
What if at some point, there was a breakdown of the plan of "keeping unstable intruders outside of our hallways and classrooms"?
What if an armed unstable intruder were to get inside the doors and past front desk security of a Springboro school?
What persons inside that building would need to IMMEDIATELY act as defenders in order to save the lives of students and fellow faculty?

__________

The seconds and minutes after the first gunshot is heard ringing through a school's hallway has to be the longest seconds and minutes of any students or teachers lifetime. These are the seconds and minutes waiting in sheer terror hoping your life wont get snuffed out before First Responders arrive.

Think about what happened at Sandy Hook. A principal gave her life by throwing herself into the line of bullets, buying a second or two so that others may have a better chance to gain safety. The school psychologist sacrificed her life by throwing her body into a line of bullets. She instinctively did this so that others in the building may have extra precious seconds to do whatever was necessary to save their lives. One of the deceased Sandy Hook first grade teachers has widely been described as a hero. This woman did everything humanly possible to save her students' lives including making her own body a human shield.

No one can predict the future. No one can predict exactly what will happen in any circumstance. However with an addition of access to defensive arms, it is within reason to believe the Sandy Hook shooter could have possibly been deterred altogether.

Or, what if the Sandy Hook shooter had no prior knowledge of that schools security policy? What if Sandy Hook's principal or psychologist had been trained concealed carry? What if other faculty at Sandy Hook had been trained concealed carry? Would Sandy Hook likely have gone into history at all, or into history somewhat less bloody? Odds are, yes.
Springboro mother

Dayton, OH

#30 Dec 28, 2012
the precious seconds wrote:
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Please answer this...
What if at some point, there was a breakdown of the plan of "keeping unstable intruders outside of our hallways and classrooms"?
What if an armed unstable intruder were to get inside the doors and past front desk security of a Springboro school?
What persons inside that building would need to IMMEDIATELY act as defenders in order to save the lives of students and fellow faculty?
__________
The seconds and minutes after the first gunshot is heard ringing through a school's hallway has to be the longest seconds and minutes of any students or teachers lifetime. These are the seconds and minutes waiting in sheer terror hoping your life wont get snuffed out before First Responders arrive.
Think about what happened at Sandy Hook. A principal gave her life by throwing herself into the line of bullets, buying a second or two so that others may have a better chance to gain safety. The school psychologist sacrificed her life by throwing her body into a line of bullets. She instinctively did this so that others in the building may have extra precious seconds to do whatever was necessary to save their lives. One of the deceased Sandy Hook first grade teachers has widely been described as a hero. This woman did everything humanly possible to save her students' lives including making her own body a human shield.
No one can predict the future. No one can predict exactly what will happen in any circumstance. However with an addition of access to defensive arms, it is within reason to believe the Sandy Hook shooter could have possibly been deterred altogether.
Or, what if the Sandy Hook shooter had no prior knowledge of that schools security policy? What if Sandy Hook's principal or psychologist had been trained concealed carry? What if other faculty at Sandy Hook had been trained concealed carry? Would Sandy Hook likely have gone into history at all, or into history somewhat less bloody? Odds are, yes.
I like the idea of developing a system of defense in which law enforcement work in close communication with certain trained staff members.
Inside the school building, certain staff would be trained as emergency first responders. In the event of an attack, this staff would be fully trained to do whatever is necessary to protect and save lives.
Outside the school building, police or hired security would act primarily as a deterrent to an attack, or in a worse case scenario, the first line of defense.
What Happened There

Cincinnati, OH

#31 Dec 29, 2012
A LOAD OF CRAP wrote:
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This is a load of crap! The first sentence is a lie and the writer should pay attention to current news. The mother was NOT a school faculty member. This was a mis report by national news.
Instead of both sides of the "issue" jumping to "never let a crisis go to waste" (when it can be exploited to further policital agendas) why don't we Springboroians explore deeper "what happened there" in Sandy Hook school district?

Lest we all forget, there were 28 victims of this shooting tragedy; why has all the overly-emotionally media frenzy reporting focused on 26? Lest we forget, the shootings started at home when the mentally troubled son violently shot his own mother and then turned his out of control anger, hatred and violence toward innocent children and adults in a targeted public school building?
What happened there? So many what if's to consider.
What if this school district volunteer mom had chosen another avenue of community service and
What if these "mother and son victims of mental illness" would have had no emotional connection to the school?
What if this well known and respected school district volunteer, and legally licensed owner of firearms, had kept the firearms safeguarded under strict "lock and key" in her own home in which her mentally troubled grown son lived?
What if this Sandy Hook school district family could have found the support services and "training" needed to better understand and respond to the needs of this precious "son" suffering from mental illness?
Student 4 Concealed Carry

Dayton, OH

#32 Jan 1, 2013
http://concealedcampus.org/

Q) How are first responders (police officers) supposed to tell the difference between armed civillians and armed assailants?

A) This hasn’t been an issue with concealed handgun license holders in other walks of life for several reasons. First and foremost, real-world shootouts are typically localized and over very quickly. It’s not realistic to expect police to encounter an ongoing shootout between assailants and armed civilians. Second, police are trained to expect both armed bad guys AND armed good guys—from off-duty/undercover police officers to armed civilians—in tactical scenarios. Third, concealed handgun license holders are trained to use their firearms for self-defense. They are not trained to run through buildings looking for bad guys. Therefore, the biggest distinction between the armed assailants and the armed civilians is that the armed civilians would be hiding with the crowd, and the armed assailants would be shooting at the crowd.

http://concealedcampus.org/
Concerned Parent

Cincinnati, OH

#33 Jan 1, 2013
Q) How are first responders (police officers) supposed to tell the difference between armed civillians and armed assailants?
(question from above post)...

(A) Public safety officers (whose job is to protect and serve the public) are on the job at the entrance of all school grounds to ensure the dangerous armed assailants do not gain access to our public school buildings and classrooms.
No C and C 4 me

Cincinnati, OH

#34 Jan 1, 2013
No C and C by licensed school teachers union for me and my kids. Homeschooling sounds like a better option.
dont fence me in

Dayton, OH

#35 Jan 1, 2013
Concerned Parent wrote:
Q) How are first responders (police officers) supposed to tell the difference between armed civillians and armed assailants?
(question from above post)...
(A) Public safety officers (whose job is to protect and serve the public) are on the job at the entrance of all school grounds to ensure the dangerous armed assailants do not gain access to our public school buildings and classrooms.
According to the post, you are in support of "public safety officers being posted at the ENTRANCE of all school grounds..."

Think about specific layouts of this district's buildings. From any past experiences you may have ahd going to football games or whatever, think about school building layouts in other various school districts. If you put your mind to it you'll quickly realize a lot of these places could potentially be accessed from multiple angles. Think about it. Many schools' property lines to the sides and rear directly border residential areas or other roads.

Please answer these questions...
What's to keep an armed assailant from intentionally avoiding security at a driveway checkpoint? In many instances, what's to keep an armed assailant from accessing a school property from the rear, or either side?

Yes, placing armed security at the end of each driveway could work. But in order for this to be effective, each and every school property would need to be fenced 100%.

Problem #1 - The tremendous expense involved in fencing every school
Problem #2 - ought to be self-evident.
dawson

Dayton, OH

#36 Jan 1, 2013
Concerned Parent wrote:
Q) How are first responders (police officers) supposed to tell the difference between armed civillians and armed assailants?
(question from above post)...
(A) Public safety officers (whose job is to protect and serve the public) are on the job at the entrance of all school grounds to ensure the dangerous armed assailants do not gain access to our public school buildings and classrooms.
omg! please tell me this post is a joke
No C and C 4 me

Cincinnati, OH

#37 Jan 2, 2013
dont fence me in wrote:
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According to the post, you are in support of "public safety officers being posted at the ENTRANCE of all school grounds..."
Think about specific layouts of this district's buildings. From any past experiences you may have ahd going to football games or whatever, think about school building layouts in other various school districts. If you put your mind to it you'll quickly realize a lot of these places could potentially be accessed from multiple angles. Think about it. Many schools' property lines to the sides and rear directly border residential areas or other roads.
Please answer these questions...
What's to keep an armed assailant from intentionally avoiding security at a driveway checkpoint? In many instances, what's to keep an armed assailant from accessing a school property from the rear, or either side?
Yes, placing armed security at the end of each driveway could work. But in order for this to be effective, each and every school property would need to be fenced 100%.
Problem #1 - The tremendous expense involved in fencing every school
Problem #2 - ought to be self-evident.
It's agreed that access to our school grounds is wide open; obviously when our school buildings were planned; such horrible possibilities of Newtown were not a consideration in security. and our high school does have great challenges since we have chosen to "build" a public health care center on public school grounds.
Most likely, lawmakers in the furture will change the requirements of new school building construction sites to require a "gatehouse at the ONE entrance to school grounds and require ID check of all who enter."
Till then, in Boro, we must rise to the challenges of securing our "wide-open" access of the public to our school grounds if we have the utmost priority of keeping crazed gunmen out of our school buildings.
Sure it is a challenge; but in a school district that funds a million dollar a year athletic program for our students, we can certainly put our dollars where our mouth is and make funding for our students safety a priority, at all costs.
dont fence me in

Dayton, OH

#38 Jan 2, 2013
No C and C 4 me wrote:
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It's agreed that access to our school grounds is wide open; obviously when our school buildings were planned; such horrible possibilities of Newtown were not a consideration in security. and our high school does have great challenges since we have chosen to "build" a public health care center on public school grounds.
Most likely, lawmakers in the furture will change the requirements of new school building construction sites to require a "gatehouse at the ONE entrance to school grounds and require ID check of all who enter."
Till then, in Boro, we must rise to the challenges of securing our "wide-open" access of the public to our school grounds if we have the utmost priority of keeping crazed gunmen out of our school buildings.
Sure it is a challenge; but in a school district that funds a million dollar a year athletic program for our students, we can certainly put our dollars where our mouth is and make funding for our students safety a priority, at all costs.
If money were indeed no object, high tech could come to the rescue. Just like school entrance doors are now, property lines could be scanned with cameras and motion detection lasers. Would fencing be needed for this to work? Maybe. Maybe not. I'd like hear others who have experience in this area.

Oh, BTW contributions from the Springboro Boosters may have a little something to do with that "million dollar a year athletic program".
Here Here

Cincinnati, OH

#39 Jan 2, 2013
Kudos to the Springboro Boosters who, of course, have more than a little something to do with that million dollar a year athletic program.

Lest we forget, don't the Boosters also have
a little something to do with "carrying funds
to personal bank accounts and concealing financial records behind the teachers union lawyers?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#40 Jan 3, 2013
Concerned Parent wrote:
Q) How are first responders (police officers) supposed to tell the difference between armed civillians and armed assailants?
(question from above post)...
(A) Public safety officers (whose job is to protect and serve the public) are on the job at the entrance of all school grounds to ensure the dangerous armed assailants do not gain access to our public school buildings and classrooms.
So what if they just walk up from somewhere other than the entrance?
Here Here

Cincinnati, OH

#41 Jan 3, 2013
dawson wrote:
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omg! please tell me this post is a joke
...ok, the ABOVE post IS a joke.

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