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OK - let's play your silly what's in a name game!
Mr. Scott Maney is the President of the Springboro Education Association. Mr. Maney was the one who quickly called the DDN to report last year that his staff of union employees were not happy with building principal Ron Malone being offered a promotion to district offices. You see, Mr. Malone worked closely to put emphasis first on the value of the union teacher; by proposing a large quantity of courses to increase union teacher pay; but at the expense of students first quality educational courses.
(All this was learned when the WC ESC school reports, which cost taxpayers approximately $8000, were found hidden in the principal's desk drawer). No doubt, it would have been a financial loss to the SEA business profits to lose such a valuable "inside man" such as Ron Malone. Now that Mr. Malone is retired from the "business" he has joined with retired school teacher David Stuckey and former school board member Charles Anderson campaigning to gain control of the board, for Mr. Maney, in the November 2013 election.
Scott Maney was recently quoted in the Dayton Daily News saying that TOPIX was a cancer in Springboro! Rumor has it that Scott Maney, President of the Springboro Education Association, has his own little Unionism Party Headquarters set up in a location separate from the school district offices. Anyone know if that is true?
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Located in Olde Springboro, about a stone's throw across the street from Spreedway...not that I'm implying that anyone has any business throwing anything from Speedway's parking lot.
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It is a great feeling to be recognized as excellent, isn’t it? It just feels wonderful to know that your hard work has paid off, that you have produced something of outstanding quality or superior merit, and that you are remarkably good at what you do, extraordinary, in fact.
Everyone wants to feel as if they produce excellent work. Everyone wants their efforts to merit a trophy, a medal, or an A+ on a report card. But the truth is, not all efforts produce excellent results.
In the 2010-2011 school year, 352 school districts received a ranking of “excellent” or “excellent with distinction”, an increase from 297 districts in 2009-2010 – almost 58% of all districts in Ohio. Is it really possible that a MAJORITY of districts in Ohio are producing students who perform at extraordinary levels? As it turns out, the answer is a simple and resounding NO. Although there are indeed some high-performing districts in Ohio, the standards used to grade districts in this state are shockingly low. The more one analyzes what it takes to be an “excellent” district, the clearer it becomes that something is horribly wrong with Ohio’s standards for excellence.
The growth of excellent / excellent with distinction in Ohio
2002-2003 85 districts
2003-2004 117 districts
2004-2005 111 districts
2005-2006 192 districts
2006-2007 139 districts
2007-2008 226 districts
2008-2009 270 districts
2009-2010 296 districts
2010-2011 352 districts
Do the levels of student performance growth in Ohio warrant a quadrupling of the number of districts in the excellent category over the last decade? Or has the state merely manipulated the accountability system to swell the numbers of “excellent” districts? The answer is likely the latter...
...Districts love to point to their fine report card rating as evidence of high performance. Real estate agents love to tout those excellent ratings as proof that a home in a community is a good value. But at some point, Ohioans may want to take a serious look at what is really happening in their school districts. Parents and taxpayers need to know that “excellent” may not be as advertised. It is a disservice to the general public, to parents, and especially to children when we pretend that more and more districts are doing a stellar job, when they are not...Policymakers must acknowledge that there are serious flaws in an evaluation system that says a majority of districts are doing excellent work when all the data comparing Ohio students nationally and internationally paint a very different picture...
Grading on a Curve (excerpts)
The Illusion of Excellence in Ohio’s Schools
Ann E. Sheldon & Colleen D. Grady
Ohio Association for Gifted Children
Nov. 2011
http://www.oagc.com/files/OAGC_Grading_On_A_C...
Is it true that our status quo leadership of "union first" previous school district leaders has now delivered a current report card grade of D for our Springboro Schools gifted?
People in this community should ask ourselves if we want to go back to the good old boy days, re-instating the self-interest stink in our excellent with distinction schools.
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Elections come and go... and even insane popularity loses its glow;
but the influence of good leaders,
doing what's right for our school children and communiity, is long lasting and continues to grow.....

By Ben Velderman
EAGnews.org
SPRINGBORO, Ohio – When Gene Lolli recently announced that he will resign as Springboro Community City Schools’ superintendent at the end of the school year, he made it clear it was due to philosophical differences with several school board members.

, when your philosophy doesn’t match that of the majority of the members of the board of education, then it’s time to move on,” Lolli told the local newspaper.
Lolli’s comments weren’t surprising. Members of Springboro’s education establishment – administrators, union leaders and board officials – have been complaining about the district’s new philosophy for the past couple of years.
Springboro’s old philosophy was like that of many public school districts: Teachers were given annual “step” raises and administrators received nice salary perks, whether there was money in the district’s budget or not. If the district couldn’t afford it, voters were expected to approve tax hikes to pay for it all, or accept cuts to student services.
That old “adults first” approach was on full display in 2009, when district officials chose to address their financial woes by eliminating busing for high school students, laying off 30 district employees, and raising pay-to-play fees for after school activities.
Not long after that, Kelly Kohls, a mother of five and a former college professor, joined the Springboro school board and a new “children first” philosophy began to emerge.
Immediately upon joining the board, Kohls began challenging district orthodoxy – especially on spending decisions – to ensure the needs of students were being given priority.
“We say we’re here for the children,” Kohls tells EAGnews.“I’ve just been asking how these (spending) decisions match the rhetoric.”
Kohls’ approach of challenging the “business as usual” mindset has proven very effective. The district now requires employees to contribute more for their health insurance plans. Backdoor bonuses for administrators have been eliminated, annual teacher “step” raises have been frozen, and a variety of spending cuts have been implemented.
The results are evident in the school’s financial trajectory. A few years ago the district was projecting a $30 million deficit. Today it’s projecting a $4 million surplus, even though the community is still reeling from the weak economy, which has caused a 400 percent increase in the number of people needing assistance from the local food bank, according to Kohls.
Kohls’ self-described “kids first” approach has caused a lot of heartburn among Springboro’s school establishment. During her brief tenure on the board, district officials have publicly blamed Kohls for the defeat of a $6 million school levy, the departures of a superintendent, a district treasurer, a school board president and the large turnover in school administrators.
Members of the Springboro Education Association – the local teachers union – use school board meetings to excoriate Kohls for opposing teacher pay raises and proposing budget cuts.
“Some people get so entrenched in the old philosophy that it’s tough to get them to think whether or not something is going to help the kids,” Kohls says of the criticism.“We need a different way of thinking.”
Voters seem to agree. Last November, they elected two of Kohls’ allies, giving fiscal conservatives control of the five-member school board, which began its current term in January.
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In the May 2013 issue of Springboro Life magazine, editor Jill Kelley conducted a two page interview with Ron Malone, who has been a SHS principal for the PAST 13 years. During the interview, the retiring principal relfected on his PAST 41 years as professional educator, stating that the district is going through a lot of internal changes and changes at the state level. Mr. Malone states in the Springboro Life magazine interview:
"I've always felt that the key to a person's effectivess is how they fit within an organizational philosophy. This changes over time. I'm not sure the fit is as good now as when I came to Springboro in 2000. My strengths and the board's expectations of my position do not match as well as I would like."

People in this community should ask ourselves:
... if Mr. Malone conceded in May 2013, that his strengths in educational expertise of the past 41 years, does not fit with the current board-approved agenda of a quality 21st century classroom education, while living within the framework of our new philosophy of Children's First budgeting...

...why is he working against our Students First best educational interests, by campaigning
for BOE election to gain "control of the board" to re-instate his Adults First status quo philosophy, stating "There needs to be a re-emphasis on the value of the eductor?"
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"Throughout history it has been the inaction of those who could have acted, the indifference of those who should have known better, the silence of the voice of justice when it matters most, that has made it possible for evil to triumph."
-Haile Selassie

LEBANON, Ohio (WDTN)- A long time Springboro high school sports booster was sentenced July 9, after pleading guilty to aggravated theft.
Thomas Harves, 61, will serve 90 days in the Warren County Jail. The prosecutor had asked the judge to sentence him to three years in prison.
Harves cashed more than 300 unauthorized checks, totaling $439,455, from the Springboro Athletics Boosters account while he served as the boosters' treasurer during his time with the group.
Prosecutors said Harves used some of the money to make house payments and to cover other expenses.
Current boosters say they would've liked to have seen a harsher sentence.
"My preference would have been that he did a little bit more hard time," says Afsoon McClellan, President of the Springboro Athletic Boosters.
Harves has since repaid the amount he stole.
In court he apologized for the thefts, saying he had already started returning the money when he was first questioned last June.
"What I did was wrong in so many ways," Harves told the court. "If I could make it right today I would do that."
Even Harves admits he was surprised to find out how much he took.
Prosecutors believe the amount was even higher, but didn't have the records to prove it.
"Our office could not go back further than eight years," says Warren County Prosecutor David Fornshell. "I don't believe for a minute starting January 1, 2004 that Mr. Harves decided in that year alone he was going to write 54 checks for $50,000."
McClellan says even with the money back, the group is still feeling the impact of the theft.
It lost its charity status because McClellan says in an effort to cover up the thefts, Harves didn't file the group's taxes.
The boosters are working to get that status back, but regaining the community's trust will be a much more difficult process.
"In a community struggling with far bigger issues, your actions cast a shadow over the few things that bring a community like ours together," McClellan told Harves in court.
Since the theft, the booster club has changed its policies and now has more than one person handle its finances.
That's something those who often deal with these cases say would be wise for other groups to do.
"It could prevent a lot of this if you have two people checking each other when you're dealing with cash or an organization's money," says Harves' attorney Charlie Rittgers.
Fornshell has held seminars for organizations on how to handle their finances.
He expects to hold another sometime this fall.
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I read a post that stated, union leader Scott Maney organized a Springboro school board candidate community forum. It stated that John Agenbroad, who was elected with the help of generous union donations, will moderate. Let's see how this will work. We have a candidate that was a former union leader, teacher, coach. We have a cadidate that was a former teacher, principal. We have candidate married to a former teacher. All three embedded in the union. Then we have two other candidates that have no union affiliation, parents of students attending the school district and local taxpayers in Springboro. You don't suppose that the community forum will be biased one way or the other, do you? If the candidates are smart, I would hope they refuse to attend and don't entertain the union thuggary that will be present at that forum.
Doesn't this sound like more Maney/Malone tunnel vision praise and worship of the union family insiders, while the union school board candidates are ignoring their responsibility to answer the questions of outsiders who, by the way, foot the big bill for the union insiders generous pay increases and great compensation/benefits packages?
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...now there you go again, motorvoter... trying to be funny but just sounding DUMB! I disagree with your distortions of "oh that Maney!" But totally agree that we should all head to polls on November 5 and Stop Maney from gaining control of our school tax dollars! Just Say No to union first status quo school board candidates, Ron Malone, David Stuckey, Charles Anderson.
These THREE candidates offer ONE collective voice speaking on behalf of future financial gain for the Springboro Education Association, while leaving our Students First best interes left behind....Where is the Responsibility to our 21st century education in the agenda of union school board candidates Ron Malone, David Stuckey, Charles Anderson?
Since our three union school board candidates offer only ONE collective liberal thought, why not have a real Community Town Hall meeting, with one liberal candidate and one conservative candidate, representing the two directions of students first vs union adult employees first?
A real political debate (and one as important as deciding which candidate will lead our students 21st century education) should be open to allow taxpaying voters from the outside, ask questions of the insiders.
The November 2011 school board candidate "debates" led by the mayor and the PTO were not "debates" at all; it was just another standard performance of one-sided questions, which were pre-arranged and pre-selected, and biased toward the union school board candidates against the fixing budgets/levy alternatives school board candidates.
Inquiry minds would hope that this election year's "debates" will not be status quo performance of the mayor and the pto leading another presentation of praise and worship of our wonderful teachers of unionism; while leaving our Students First best interest left behind.
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Well, it's very clear to me that bin Laden ordered 19 Arab Muslims to perpetrate 911. Apparently you and the Institute on the Constitution have your doubts.
One thing I do not have a doubt about is the fact that too many children in this district are not getting the quality education that the taxpayers are funding.

Why don't you explain where I am wrong in my analysis of these numbers?

If you can tear yourself away from the phony issues you seem want to create, why don't you address a real one?

Anybody here want to debate the actual performance at the junior high school last year as opposed to the sanitized versions we found in the Dayton Daily News.

While what the DDN said is true, only 34 kids out of 512 failed to reach the PROFICIENT level on the state math test for 7th graders it failed to inform the reader what PROFICIENT represents.

What they neglected to tell the readers is that PROFICIENT is defined as getting 34%-56% correct on the test.

34%-56% correct, these accounted for 94 children in the 7th grade.

The next level is ACCELERATED, sounds quite impressive. To join the ACCELERATED ranks you need to score between 58% and 70%

58%-70% makes you an ACCELERATED student in the eyes of the state. 100 of our children in the 7th grade were considered ACCELERATED.

To be considered truly ADVANCED, the highest academic category a child could attain, one had to score at least 72%.

72% and above gets a child the full honors of the highest rating the state can bestow, the ADVANCED level.

72% and above equals the top of the academic pyramid in Ohio.

Class of 2018

7th Grade 2012-2013

Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
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Math .......50 possible points on the test
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State Rating System and distribution of students for the 7th grade
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Limited.......... 14 Students
Limited.......... 18% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -10 correct answers =(0-20% correct)
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Basic..........27 Students
Basic ..........28% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--11 - 16 correct answers =(22-32% correct)
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Proficient........176 Students
Proficient........46% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.......definition--1 7-28 correct answers =(34-56% correct)
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Accelerated.....143 Students
Accelerated.....64% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--29 -35 correct answers =(58-70% correct)
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Advanced........148 Students
Advanced........80% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--36 -50 correct answers =(72-100% correct)
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Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
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F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......282 Students
Percentage of Students.....56% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......108 Students
Percentage of Students.....21% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........77 Students
Percentage of Students.....16% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........34 Students
Percentage of Students.....7% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....1 Students
Percentage of Students....0% receiving A

A more honest assessment of the children's level of knowledge reveals that we have:

PASSING 75% or better - 23%

FAILING 74% or lower - 77%

That is not really much to write home about. am I wrong in my assessment?

Using an artificially low scale to judge the effectiveness of our program of studies is intellectually dishonest.

Celebrating this feat when we know the underlying basis for these facts is intellectually dishonest and cheats our children of a true education. An education we are most certainly capable of providing all of our children.
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This morning I noticed some great looking signs asking a simple question. I wonder how the community will answer this question.
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This morning I noticed some great looking signs asking a simple question. I wonder how the community will answer this question.
Geez, I don't know Doug - how will the community respond?! Well, one, the signs were picked up b/c they were illegally placed (NOT to mention a lie - get your facts straight!) and two, the community will respond by voting for the ticket of Malone/Stuckey/Anderson - the ticket that has ethics, leadership, trust and honor! Get a life Doug!
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Geez, I don't know Doug - how will the community respond?! Well, one, the signs were picked up b/c they were illegally placed (NOT to mention a lie - get your facts straight!) and two, the community will respond by voting for the ticket of Malone/Stuckey/Anderson - the ticket that has ethics, leadership, trust and honor! Get a life Doug!
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am NOT Doug Weideman.

Do you care to elaborate on what you perceive to be a lie in regards to these great signs?
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Geez, I don't know Doug - how will the community respond?! Well, one, the signs were picked up b/c they were illegally placed (NOT to mention a lie - get your facts straight!) and two, the community will respond by voting for the ticket of Malone/Stuckey/Anderson - the ticket that has ethics, leadership, trust and honor! Get a life Doug!
yea, let's go back to the OLD way, it was so much better when Baker and crew were threatening us taxpayers for more new money, emotionally blackmailing & bullying parents into voting for a levy by threatening to cut services, raise pay to participate fees, as well as a host of other onerous threats.

Proficient = Failure!
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...the signs were picked up b/c they were illegally placed...
Yea, and while you're at it, Gladys Kravitz, how do you know the signs were picked up b/c they were illegally placed?
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Geez, I don't know Doug - how will the community respond?! Well, one, the signs were picked up b/c they were illegally placed (NOT to mention a lie - get your facts straight!) and two, the community will respond by voting for the ticket of Malone/Stuckey/Anderson - the ticket that has ethics, leadership, trust and honor! Get a life Doug!
Geez....?

Doesn't this sound like more Maney/Malone tunnel vision praise and worship of the union family insiders, while the union school board candidates are ignoring their responsibility to answer the questions of outsiders who, by the way, foot the big bill for the union insiders generous pay increases and great compensation/benefits packages?
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Geez, I don't know Doug - how will the community respond?! Well, one, the signs were picked up b/c they were illegally placed (NOT to mention a lie - get your facts straight!) and two, the community will respond by voting for the ticket of Malone/Stuckey/Anderson - the ticket that has ethics, leadership, trust and honor! Get a life Doug!
We need more than ethics, leadership, trust, and honor that Malone,Stuckey,Anderson possess; We need school board candidates elected who are already "on board" with our current board's new reform minded philosophy of fixing budgets/levy alternatives to ensure a quality 21st century education for all students, while living within the framework of our children's first budget.
Hasn't Mr. Malone already announced publicly to the taxpaying voters that he is not a good "fit" with our school district philosophy....?

In the May 2013 issue of Springboro Life magazine, editor Jill Kelley conducted a two page interview with Ron Malone, who has been a SHS principal for the PAST 13 years. During the interview, the retiring principal relfected on his PAST 41 years as professional educator, stating that the district is going through a lot of internal changes and changes at the state level. Mr. Malone states in the Springboro Life magazine interview:
"I've always felt that the key to a person's effectiveness is how they fit within an organizational philosophy. This changes over time. I'm not sure the fit is as good now as when I came to Springboro in 2000. My strengths and the board's expectations of my position do not match as well as I would like."

People in this community should ask ourselves:
... if Mr. Malone conceded in May 2013, that his strengths in educational expertise of the past 41 years, does not fit with the current board-approved agenda of a quality 21st century classroom education, while living within the framework of our new philosophy of Children's First budgeting...

...why is he working against our Students First best educational interests, by campaigning
for BOE election to gain "control of the board" to re-instate his Adults First status quo philosophy, stating "There needs to be a re-emphasis on the value of the educator?"
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Balance can be seen on scales, in sports and on spreadsheets. There are times when balance is easy to see and define. There are times when we have to work to achieve balance. For example, in our own homes we try to find a perfect balance between work and family. Although we can define the ideal, we rarely meet it.

With the Board of Education race in Springboro this fall, voters will look for balance. Some will argue balance means putting opposing sides together on the board. But the picture of balance needs to be bigger than that. Board of Education members are elected to represent the community in the school district.

The board is elected to balance the interests of students, parents, taxpayers, and employees. Many school boards lack balance because they are comprised of people with more allegiance to maintaining a specific establishment than to the greater cause.

In Springboro, balance has been restored. With a new administrative team, the Springboro school district has adopted a mission to “accelerate student achievement and support qualified staff with a balanced budget.” These are not empty words: they summarize actions. Together, we have achieved a balanced budget. We are on the right course, but it has not been easy.

With Educate Springboro, we brought changes that forced many to rethink long-held beliefs. Anytime the status quo changes, there is resistance. Panicked petitions and hysterical headlines have made things “feel” out of balance. So now, there is a slate of three candidates that want to return to the past – which “felt” balanced.

However, today we can see just how far out of balance we actually were under the previous leadership. Some of the imbalances of the past include:
-Capping high school class sizes in the 20s, while other grades who most need teacher attention, had larger class sizes (often up to 30).
-Teaching the majority to meet the proficient standard (proficient is a OAA test score in 8th grade >40), while our district receives a “D” in gifted education and a “C” for our more challenged, lowest 20%.
-Ignoring the changing curriculum and testing standards for students.
-Charging higher pay-to-play and school fees than were necessary.
-Failing to plan for technology in our classrooms and then spending resources on wireless technology that was inadequate and required replacement.
-Ignoring recommendations to improve the rigor of our high school academic programs by failing to promote college credit options for our students.
-Reacting to circumstances and spending more than budgeted instead of planning to invest and keeping up our buildings, grounds and bus fleet.
-Assuming the only solution was higher taxes and hoping for a new levy to pass.

These are symptoms of the status quo controlling a school district that lost its balance.
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(cont. p.2 )

If there was any balance at all in the past, it was an eye for an eye. As this community said “no” to five new money levies, district leaders failed to find levy alternatives. The status quo threatened the community with cuts. Thankfully, many of those leaders have left, but some now would like to return to sit on our school board.


This year’s record is easy to defend because it consistently demonstrates investing in Children First. From replacing the District’s aging computers, buses, to implementing new curriculum and raising expectations with new standards, testing – we have progressed!

Why would we give control back to those who slowed this district’s progress? Those who inflated budget forecasts? Those who ignored the capital needs of the District? Most importantly, why would we elect the same people who neglected to put Children First in our schools?

The Children First budget is navigating us away from the repeated failures of the past. Now, working in open, public meetings, asking tough questions, hearing all voices, using performance data and striving to find a balance that supports teachers, our community is achieving the goal to put Children First in every decision.

Balance is about consistent, sustainable, forward-looking leadership. Educate Springboro sees the bigger picture and leads in the direction of balance for our children, schools and community. We’ll continue to be the voice that stands up for parents and the community, examining past practices, and making tough decisions – whether it is providing technology, more services for gifted students, raises for employees, or even a tax rollback – To maintain balance for the benefit of everyone.

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Geez, I don't know Doug - how will the community respond?! Well, one, the signs were picked up b/c they were illegally placed (NOT to mention a lie - get your facts straight!) and two, the community will respond by voting for the ticket of Malone/Stuckey/Anderson - the ticket that has ethics, leadership, trust and honor! Get a life Doug!
The signs were not illegally placed.

The question is a rather salient one:

How will a UNION CONTROLLED school board spend your TAX DOLLARS?

I suppose some folks would rather not have others exposed to such thinking, but what exactly was inaccurate about that sign?

Presiding over 12 years of looting of over $1,000,000 of the booster money while head of the high school and then fighting against necessary reforms to combat this sort of behavior in the future certainly is not many people's way of gaining trust or honor. Maybe in Mr. Malone's tiny part of the world that makes sense, but I doubt it works elsewhere.

Knowingly dumbing down the curriculum of the high school in the face of NO RESEARCH OR DATA that supports that course of action as beneficial to the students is not demonstrating either leadership nor ethics. When will Mr. Malone explain to us how not providing a more challenging educational atmosphere was good for our children and their future?
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Mr Weideman,

If the signs were not placed illegally, as Be A Man alleges, where did they go?

I'd check with the twp and city if they took them down. If they did they will give them back and give you the reason as to why.

But if they didn't take them, then maybe an IP address search for Be A Man would be prudent. Then the authorities could inquire how the poster knew before noon today that the signs, plural, were taken down...because they were "illegally placed"

FWIW, the city and twp will only take down signs IF they have a complaint AND if they are placed illegally. Or if they are in the right of way causing a sight problem.

Sounds to me you got someones attention and they took it upon themselves to illegally take down campaign signs.
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I am a conservative in Springboro and find the signs offensive. Are you saying unions are bad? Are you saying my police and fire fighters are bad because they belong to the union? No I am not in a union and have never been in one.

I think people need to think before speaking or putting up signs. I will vote for anyone who does not support that rhetoric.

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