Should schoolteachers & principals have conceal & carry? You bet 'cha!

[I would love it]

I think it is odd that nobody wants guns at the school but there was an armed police officer at the board meeting the other night. Looks like we want to protect our adults more than our kids. Or did he just want to be on TV?

[17 percent chance]

I would love it wrote:

I think it is odd that nobody wants guns at the school but there was an armed police officer at the board meeting the other night. Looks like we want to protect our adults more than our kids. Or did he just want to be on TV?

Don Miller is very well aware Springboro schools already employs one (1) armed police officer. However I'm not sure Miller gets the big picture. If a person with a gun were to breach the security of a Springboro school, our current armed police officer statistically has less than a 17 percent chance of being in that particular school. In order to bolster security efforts for the occupants within ALL SIX Springboro buildings, pure and simple common sense dictates that this current 17% chance be made 100% by adding more resource officers, possibly complemented by board-approved concealed carry staff.

It's the SEA leadership that's putting a lot of pressure on Miller to fight the addition of more guns in schools. For the sake of our childrens safety Don Miller needs to be thinking about the prioritization of their defense in the event of the unthinkable. Miller does not need to be playing union games.

[Dfnse bgins and ends w U]

reality check wrote:

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[learn from the Hoosiers]

(Jan 17, 2013)
ALBION, IND.— Teachers in a northeastern Indiana county may soon be carrying guns in school if officials accept a proposal from the county sheriff.

Under Noble County Sheriff Doug Harp’s plan, officials would choose up to four teachers in each school to undergo firearms training and be appointed as special deputies. The teachers’ authority would be limited to school buildings.

The Central Noble (County) School Board voted Tuesday night to consider the idea. Harp has delivered the same proposal to the East and West Noble School districts northwest of Fort Wayne.
Harp said that arming teachers would be more economical than paying school security officers. A private donor has offered to provide the guns if the plan is accepted.
“This was the only option we really felt where we could slow down an active shooter, or stop an active shooter because our response time typically is after the fact,” Harp said.
Harp said he would not charge the school to train staff members.
“A lot of the training we’re talking about would mirror exactly what a normal police officer would go through, you know yearly qualifications, weapons safety and on-going training,” he said.

Central Noble Community Schools already has security measures like locked doors and safety drills, but Superintendent Chris Daughtry said an armed staff member could make the difference between life and death.
“Most of these killings take place in a very short time window and by the time the police actually get on the scene, the damage is done,” said Daughtry.

Other school districts across the country have reviewed similar proposals prompted by last month’s mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.
The Central Noble board meets next on Feb. 19. No timeline for a decision was discussed.

http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/17639648-41...

[be prepared ORR not]

ORRVILLE, OH -- A Northeast Ohio school district makes the controversial decision to allow a teacher to carry a gun during class time....but this is not just any teacher.

In a unanimous vote last Thursday, the Orrville School Board agreed to allow high school science teacher Bill Yerman to carry a concealed weapon to class.

Yerman has been with the district 10 years. He is not only a teacher, but a Lawrence Township police officer by night.

"The hard part is coming to grips with the idea that there are kids bringing guns in schools. When we were kids, this would never have happened," School Board President Greg Roadruck said.

After the massacre at Sandy Hook elementary school, a number of educators here, who have conceal carry licenses, volunteered to bring their guns to school for security.

Because of of Yerman's peace officer training and experience, he was the logical choice.

While other districts debate whether to fight gun violence with guns, many parents and students join the school board in saying that this level of security is neccesary.

"If an officer has a gun, I'm all right with it," sophomore Shane Henson said.

"As far as putting it in someone's trustworthy hands, that would be safer then just having something in the classroom," said senior Trevor Kerr.

Yerman turned down an interview.

When he'll start bringing his gun to school is not known.

The board president says carrying the weapon concealed makes the most sense. It's better that an intruder not know who is carrying a gun, much like air marshals on planes.

link/video:WKYC-TV
http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/278419/3/Orr...

[it could happen here]

be prepared ORR not wrote:

"If an officer has a gun, I'm all right with it," sophomore Shane Henson said.
"As far as putting it in someone's trustworthy hands, that would be safer then just having something in the classroom," said senior Trevor Kerr.
link/video:WKYC-TV
http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/278419/3/Orr...

In order to gain a better perspective of school security from the students' angle, both Mr. Miller and Mr. Rigano should be open to carefully listening to their opinions.

[lets ban frying pans]

Call write or e-mail your representatives in the U.S. Congress to tell them the solution to the problem of gun violence in America's schools is NOT about banning semi-automatic weapons or other guns.

The solution begins with doing a lot more to to protect our children as well as improving mental health services so that troubled individuals can be detected early and get the help they need.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/larg...

[security in our own hands]

GOP LEGISLATORS PROPOSE CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARM TEACHERS

SACRAMENTO — A group of Republican state lawmakers Wednesday proposed allowing school districts to spend education funds to train teachers, administrators and janitors in gun use.

Responding to last month's mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., the lawmakers said arming school personnel would help protect campuses against violent intruders.

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Donnelly, who is exploring a run for governor, said his bill was an alternative to a dozen introduced by Democrats to impose tighter gun controls, some of which he called a violation of the right to bear arms. He invoked the name of Sandy Hook teacher Victoria Soto, who was killed trying to protect her students.

"We have a moral obligation that the next Vicki Soto who is faced with inexplicable evil … not be left defenseless," he said. If she were armed, "she would have the ability to stop or at least slow down the killer."

He said the proposal, AB 202, is modeled after the federal air marshal program, which assigns armed, plainclothes officers to many commercial flights to guard against terrorism.

Sen. Leland Yee (D-San Francisco), a former school psychologist, said the bill would face insurmountable opposition in the Legislature.

"With all due respect to my Republican colleagues, that [bill] is just absolutely ludicrous," Yee said. "I don't know of any educator who would be interested in packing a gun into a school."

Sen. Ted Lieu (D-Torrance), who has introduced legislation requiring every school to have a safety plan for emergencies, said Donnelly's bill goes in the wrong direction.

"The goal of school safety is not to see who can win a gunfight," Lieu said. "It is to prevent shootings in the first place and keep guns out of schools."

Donnelly, who was once fined more than $2,200 for taking a loaded gun to Ontario International Airport, said the school marshal program would ensure that those carrying concealed weapons have permits and training. No one outside the school administration would know the identity of marshals on campus.

Teachers don't want to assume a role outside their expertise, said Dean Vogel, president of the giant California Teachers' Assn. Campus police trained in firearms tactics are better suited for the job, he said.

"Putting more guns in schools is really not the way to go," Vogel said. "Armed security should be left to the experts."

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/30/local...