Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in...

Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio

There are 2047 comments on the EMS1 story from Feb 1, 2013, titled Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio. In it, EMS1 reports that:

CLEARCREEK TWP., Ohio - Trustees in Clearcreek Twp. - third among 11 Warren County townships in net property taxes - disagree about asking voters for an additional 4.5-mill levy to fund fire protection and ambulance services.

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The Voice of Reason

Englewood, OH

#602 Apr 6, 2013
Could this be coming to a Clearcreek Township neighborhood near you??

http://www.kypost.com/dpps/news/region_northe...

COVINGTON, Ky.- A large crowd gathered at Covington's City Hall Tuesday to continue an ongoing debate concerning the city's fire department brownouts.

Covington commissioners voted on a resolution to activate a pumper that was no longer in use, but both residents and firefighters say they are not satisfied with the decision.

The pumper in question, Pumper One, had not been in use for the past year-and-a-half. Commissioners voted for it to be used on a part-time basis. Many citizens, however, say it's not enough.

"Please, think about the human lives, and not about the money. You keep saying you don't have enough money but you want to build here and you want to build there,” said Covington resident Sharon Brown.

Brown is one of several citizens fearing for her safety in the city after a fatal fire that claimed the life of a woman on Garrard Street nearly two weeks ago.

"I've lived in the city all my life and I know how the services were. You could call them and you could be there fast. Response time is lacking in the city and I'm seriously concerned about the safety in the city,” said Charlene Dietz, also a Covington resident.

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Let's keep our fire department ready to respond to our emergencies, for our community, our neighbors, and our family - VOTE YES on 3!
firefighter

Englewood, OH

#603 Apr 6, 2013
Dear citizen,

Please allow me to introduce myself. I am your firefighter. I'm the one who shows up at the firehouse for my shift, and I'm the one who shows up when the pager goes off. If we passed each other on the street, you most likely wouldn't recognize me. My face may not be familiar. But rest assured, I am your firefighter. I am a brother; a sister; a mom and a dad; a son and a daughter; and, yes, a grandfather and grandmother.

I am writing to you in an effort to clear up some misinformation. You may have heard lately that firefighters make too much money or don't want to respond when the rooftop siren on the firehouse wails, that they don't care and have lost their grip on the true meaning of being a firefighter. Rest assured, they haven't. They still very much do care and do more to stand that post than ever before. We train in the skills of firefighting; emergency medical services; hazardous materials; specialized rescue; and, yes, in weapons of mass destruction. The list is long and can range from the basic to extremely technical. We do not sit around the firehouse and play checkers like you may have read in a children's book. We stand ready to respond to your emergency no matter what it is. You see, I am your firefighter.

We sleep in a firehouse or with a pager next to our bed at home, ready at any moment to respond to someone in need. Our response to those who need us is done so without prejudice. We don't perform a credit check or make you submit an application. We respond to your needs immediately without regard as to who you are or what status you carry in the community. We take care of the wealthy and the homeless, and we will treat your children, your grandmother, and your home or business as if they were our own. This is not a practiced or trained skill but a way of life for your firefighter. To us, it's not a job or even a profession; it's a calling--one that involves the thrill of helping others in their time of need. You see, I am your firefighter.

It’s not a new job. We've been there for you since Benjamin Franklin decided to create the first volunteer fire department. The position has gone from that of prominence to that which people look down on, to that of hero after our country was attacked to once again to those who have too much. Let us be clear in this area as well when it comes to having too much. Most of us work two jobs in an attempt to put food on the table or into a college fund. We miss a lot of our kid's soccer games, recitals, birthday parties, and so many special moments that are gone forever to either work that shift or make that call. We work on Christmas and a long list of other holidays and run out the door when our children are opening their presents from Santa. When you wouldn't think of giving up one of those special moments, we do. We stand ready for you. Yes, it is a choice we made, that of serving others, but it was a choice made without promise of wealth or personal gains--just that of taking care of others. You see, I am your firefighter.

And can we address that of being a hero? You see, those of us who serve or have served as firefighters do not consider the position that of a hero. We will admit the task does require acts and deeds of bravery at times; it comes with the work we love to do. Again, we're just moms and dads, brothers, sisters, sons and daughters, who just want to make a difference in the communities we serve. We have never met a firefighter who said, "I can't wait to be a hero today." All they want to do is serve others, take care of people, and have a belief in "family" that is paralleled by few. They are values driven, not money driven, so please do not read this wrong. Firefighters are some of the bravest people we know, but there is a difference between an "act" and a belief in something special. To them it's not about being a hero; it's more about being guardians, those which support family. You see, I am your firefighter.
firefighter

Englewood, OH

#604 Apr 6, 2013
We paint, clean, maintain, and mow the grass at our firehouse not as much because it saves our taxpayers money but because it is our home. We realize that a firehouse has stood within a neighborhood as a place of safety for decades, a place where a senior citizen who is lost and can't find the way home can go and find help, and those helping her will treat her like she was their own grandmother. A place where a child who is scared, lost, or being followed by a bad person can go and find protection. Please understand to a firefighter their firehouse isn't just another building; it's their home and a symbol of what is right within a community. It's a building where we train together, prepare to respond to your call for help together, and for some where we eat, sleep, and spend a third of our lives together. It is where we stand ready for you. You see, I am your firefighter.

We realize that each time the economy takes a downward turn, the first thing they say at city hall is, "What can we cut in the fire department?" and we once again will do more with less. We will always try to be good stewards of the taxpayer's dollar and save money wherever we can, but there is only so much you can do with less. You can line the street with as many fire engines and ladder trucks as you want, keep in mind that fire trucks don't fight fires, firefighters do, and we need them to be successful at serving you.

We'll change your smoke detector battery free of charge, make sure that there is no carbon monoxide in your home waiting to harm you or your loved ones, and we'll walk with you through your home, helping you identify areas that need to be addressed for your family's safety. We stop along that dark roadside and help you change a flat tire because you are family and we would never leave a loved one stranded along the road. We read to children hoping to promote literacy and to help them understand that reading is just not important but can be fun too and those that can read do well in life. We conduct fundraisers to help those in need and give little children fighting cancer a ride on our fire engine because we know that 30 seconds of your life can change another's forever. And if you're ever wondering just how important a firefighter is in the life of a child, the next time you’re in your local bookstore, go to the children's section and count how many firefighters, fire engines, hook and ladder trucks, and ambulances you see in the books there. To a child they are a hero, but more importantly a mentor and role model, again, a person who values family. You see, I am your firefighter.

It may seem that I am a bit partial when it comes to firefighters, but please don't look for an apology. I am that way because I have seen firefighters risk it all for those they do not know and in some cases for those who could care less about them. I have seen the biggest of them kneel down next to and help an 85-year-old grandmother who has fallen for the fifth time this month with such care and compassion that you find yourself choking back tears. I have watched them bring life into this world, save lives, and many times do everything in their power, to the point of exhaustion, to save another's life, only to not be able to do so, and I have heard them cry. Yes, firefighters have feelings and yes, they cry. You'll never see it, because they'll do it when they are alone or in the bunk room sitting on the side of their bed. It's after they've done everything to breathe life back into that baby or to cut someone's daughter out of their wrecked car or after they have lost a fellow firefighter in the line of duty. It's not normal to see what a firefighter has to see or do what a firefighter has to do, but they do it. They do it because they want to serve you. They want to stand that post for you and your family, to be there for you all day long and for you long after you go to bed. You see, I am your firefighter.
firefighter

Englewood, OH

#605 Apr 6, 2013
In closing again, firefighters don't do "it" for the recognition. Yes they are proud of what they do, but don't try to give them medals or accolades. They'll just tell you they were doing their job. They have a passion for serving others and are not looking for rewards. Maybe just decent tools, equipment, and protective clothing to do their jobs. The training that keeps them prepared to take care of you and your family and the staffing they need in order to make that happen, and once in a while the secure feeling of knowing that they'll be able to continue volunteering in your community or working in that firehouse, without the fear of cuts or closings. They won't ask for laser beams, fancy titles, or for a "room with a view." To be honest they already have the best view in the house. It's from the firehouse down the block from your home. The one that allows them the privilege and honor of serving you and your family. You see, I am your firefighter and we will always be there for you!
focus

Springfield, OH

#606 Apr 6, 2013
firefighter wrote:
In closing again, firefighters don't do "it" for the recognition. Yes they are proud of what they do, but don't try to give them medals or accolades. They'll just tell you they were doing their job. They have a passion for serving others and are not looking for rewards. Maybe just decent tools, equipment, and protective clothing to do their jobs. The training that keeps them prepared to take care of you and your family and the staffing they need in order to make that happen, and once in a while the secure feeling of knowing that they'll be able to continue volunteering in your community or working in that firehouse, without the fear of cuts or closings. They won't ask for laser beams, fancy titles, or for a "room with a view." To be honest they already have the best view in the house. It's from the firehouse down the block from your home. The one that allows them the privilege and honor of serving you and your family. You see, I am your firefighter and we will always be there for you!
oh please...spare me this b.s.
Keeping it Real

Dayton, OH

#607 Apr 6, 2013
I have been watching these posts for the past few weeks and cannot understand why some people want to confuse the issue with personal attacks against elected officials.

If you are unhappy with them, then vote them out of office. But if you vote 'No' on Issue 3 then you can't complain, to the media, or these posts, when the emergency service you expect to be there isn't, because YOU voted against them for the wrong reason.

It's nice to say that the fire department will do MORE with LESS and deliver the service regardless of the levy. But I live in reality. I have to pay for what I use, whatever it costs. The price today is more than what it was a decade ago. I would like to believe in unicorns too, but I am an adult now.

Make sure you know the facts, and try not to let them get in the way of a good story.
Keeping it Real

Dayton, OH

#608 Apr 6, 2013
I just read focus' reply to the heartfelt post by a firefighter and was so disappointed by his/her response.

This forum should not be used for personal attacks so I will refrain from reciprocating in-kind.

I only hope that 'focus' will find some peace in the near future and take the medication his/her doctor has prescribed.
Hold On To Your Money

Cincinnati, OH

#609 Apr 6, 2013
Keeping it Real wrote:
I just read focus' reply to the heartfelt post by a firefighter and was so disappointed by his/her response.
This forum should not be used for personal attacks so I will refrain from reciprocating in-kind.
I only hope that 'focus' will find some peace in the near future and take the medication his/her doctor has prescribed.
blah, blah, blah... keeping it REALly ridiculous, as usual..
we all know the tiresome old outdated unionized practice drills of let's just "Shock and Awe" with ridicule; after all that's the only plan the levy lovers have to support their weak cries of give us your money or your gonna get a hurting on your family and your property. Just hold on to your money. The Clearcreek Township government has plenty of money to provide services to the public; and the fire department has an eleven million dollars of revenue already generated by local homeowners.
Stay Calm, Vote No to increased taxes, and let's don't forget to tell our good community workers...Thank you and Have a Safe Day...as we all go about doing good in our different (but equally important) jobs throughout our community serving one another and helping to make Clearcreek/Springboro a better place to live and work.
It doesn't take more money for our government to continue their good work for the public -- IT TAKES MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.
Keeping It Simple

Cincinnati, OH

#610 Apr 6, 2013
Keeping it Real wrote:
I have been watching these posts for the past few weeks and cannot understand why some people want to confuse the issue with personal attacks against elected officials.
If you are unhappy with them, then vote them out of office. But if you vote 'No' on Issue 3 then you can't complain, to the media, or these posts, when the emergency service you expect to be there isn't, because YOU voted against them for the wrong reason.
It's nice to say that the fire department will do MORE with LESS and deliver the service regardless of the levy. But I live in reality. I have to pay for what I use, whatever it costs. The price today is more than what it was a decade ago. I would like to believe in unicorns too, but I am an adult now.
Make sure you know the facts, and try not to let them get in the way of a good story.
No Complaints; AND No Vote for Increased Taxes on May 7th

Already paying enough taxes for schools and public safety services; also paying social security taxes, medicare, medicaid, federal income taxes, state and local income taxes; state sales taxes and on and on....along with paying for our family health insurance, dental insurance, vision insurance, home insurance with ADDITIONAL fire coverage; car insurance, life insurance, mortgage insurance; and for all other services that our family uses; but we cannot afford to agree to paying more for pubic safety services.
It's all about being a responsible adult to just say NO to unaffordable tax increases on our homes.
Keeping It Simple

Cincinnati, OH

#611 Apr 6, 2013
firefighter wrote:
In closing again, firefighters don't do "it" for the recognition. Yes they are proud of what they do, but don't try to give them medals or accolades. They'll just tell you they were doing their job. They have a passion for serving others and are not looking for rewards. Maybe just decent tools, equipment, and protective clothing to do their jobs. The training that keeps them prepared to take care of you and your family and the staffing they need in order to make that happen, and once in a while the secure feeling of knowing that they'll be able to continue volunteering in your community or working in that firehouse, without the fear of cuts or closings. They won't ask for laser beams, fancy titles, or for a "room with a view." To be honest they already have the best view in the house. It's from the firehouse down the block from your home. The one that allows them the privilege and honor of serving you and your family. You see, I am your firefighter and we will always be there for you!
Thank you, Mr. Firefighter! You will be happy knowing that you have our support and our local taxpayers are generating
needed revenue for YOU and YOUR Fire department an Eleven Million Dollars to do your jobs.
Be sure to tell your Fire Chief what you need to STAY SAFE; Taxpayers have done our job; and now we have to hold Mr. Pickett and Mr. Kidd accountable to do their job and keep our firefighters and EMTs SAFE; and continue keeping our community SAFE and AFFORDABLE. May God Bless You In All that You Do!
Public Record

Englewood, OH

#612 Apr 6, 2013
Keeping It Simple wrote:
<quoted text>
No Complaints; AND No Vote for Increased Taxes on May 7th
Already paying enough taxes for schools and public safety services; also paying social security taxes, medicare, medicaid, federal income taxes, state and local income taxes; state sales taxes and on and on....along with paying for our family health insurance, dental insurance, vision insurance, home insurance with ADDITIONAL fire coverage; car insurance, life insurance, mortgage insurance; and for all other services that our family uses; but we cannot afford to agree to paying more for pubic safety services.
I hope your additional fire insurance helps you when your loved one isn't breathing. You can't insure your way out of needing first responders. It will NEVER work.

Vote YES on 3!
Get Real

Cincinnati, OH

#613 Apr 7, 2013
Keeping it Real wrote:
I just read focus' reply to the heartfelt post by a firefighter and was so disappointed by his/her response.
This forum should not be used for personal attacks so I will refrain from reciprocating in-kind.
I only hope that 'focus' will find some peace in the near future and take the medication his/her doctor has prescribed.
heartfelt post...??? LOL! Isn't this little "skit" the same drama performed during "show and tell" in our kids kindergarten class?...This forum (nor any other "opportunity" for drama of this manipulative kind) should not be used to "shame on you" ....from one community worker to another! That's malarky!

Responsible homeowners should not be manipulated by the union masters rules of ridicule and intimidation with "promises" that they will continue "volunteering" their service of "parting the troubled waters in each one of our lives"... if ONLY homeowners agree to increased taxes that will double the fire department budget!

Get Real and Vote Smart! Just say NO to this unreasonable tax increase, that is only laying the foundation for higher and higher taxes, next time around. Vote No Way In May to these dramatic pleas from our local government and tell our local township government to lieve within our community resources of $11 million FD budget and get to work continuing affordable public safety services.
Stand Up to Bullies

Cincinnati, OH

#614 Apr 7, 2013
Public Record wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope your additional fire insurance helps you when your loved one isn't breathing. You can't insure your way out of needing first responders. It will NEVER work.
Vote YES on 3!
Don't Bully Me unionman... It will NEVER work!

Oh, by the way....YOUR scare tactics ONLY work on the most vulnurable of our citizens...the very young and the very old...as YOU seek to "threaten" and Increase Taxes on "every breath" of our lives! Such hypocrites are YOU and YOUR union kind!
Get Real

Cincinnati, OH

#615 Apr 7, 2013
@ firefighter..."We realize that a firehouse has stood within a neighborhood as a place of safety for decades, a place where a senior citizen who is lost and can't find the way home can go and find help, and those helping her will treat her like she was their own grandmother"...

hey firefighter, perhaps that lost "senior citizen" can't find the way home because of missed medication... you know, having to choose between spending money for high cost prescription medication OR paying their high cost taxes!

And shame on you firefighter for wanting to charge your grandmother DOUBLE the taxes for your service of helping your very own grandmother "who once was lost, but now is found.....!
Keeping it Real

Dayton, OH

#616 Apr 7, 2013
Stand Up to Bullies wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't Bully Me unionman... It will NEVER work!
Oh, by the way....YOUR scare tactics ONLY work on the most vulnurable of our citizens...the very young and the very old...as YOU seek to "threaten" and Increase Taxes on "every breath" of our lives! Such hypocrites are YOU and YOUR union kind!
I still don't understand why you and others are turning this into a personal attack on politicians and Unions. You have a right to your opinions but your don't have the right to your own 'facts'.
Say It Again

Cincinnati, OH

#617 Apr 7, 2013
Hold On To Your Money wrote:
<quoted text>
blah, blah, blah... keeping it REALly ridiculous, as usual..
we all know the tiresome old outdated unionized practice drills of let's just "Shock and Awe" with ridicule; after all that's the only plan the levy lovers have to support their weak cries of give us your money or your gonna get a hurting on your family and your property. Just hold on to your money. The Clearcreek Township government has plenty of money to provide services to the public; and the fire department has an eleven million dollars of revenue already generated by local homeowners.
Stay Calm, Vote No to increased taxes, and let's don't forget to tell our good community workers...Thank you and Have a Safe Day...as we all go about doing good in our different (but equally important) jobs throughout our community serving one another and helping to make Clearcreek/Springboro a better place to live and work.
It doesn't take more money for our government to continue their good work for the public -- IT TAKES MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.
Totally Agree! We all need t keep reminding our pious pro-levy supporters on this blog to Stay Calm and Vote No to increased taxes on May 7th. The township doesn't need more of our hard earned money to maintain services to the public.

The Township has not asked for more taxes because they already overtax us t the tune of accumulaint almost a million extra dollars every year. After fiveing awy tax dollars to "Another Government Agendy, after hiring more and more people, after buying enormous amount of property and building parks after after parks, the government still collects for more than their needs every year. They just seem unable to spend it faster than they rake it in every year; But still, they feel it is an "appropriate time" to try extorting more and more dollars ...ever seeking that one more easy fix to that strong government addiction to "Tax and Spend."
First things first, Time to fail the May 7 levy and allow our strongly addicted township government to take that first painful "withdrawal" action of "cutting expenses."
Stand Up to Bullies

Cincinnati, OH

#618 Apr 7, 2013
Public Record wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope your additional fire insurance helps you when your loved one isn't breathing. You can't insure your way out of needing first responders. It will NEVER work.
Vote YES on 3!
And for public record....On May 7th You can VOTE yourself into the Wade/Gabbard fire insurance plan for a lifetime of higher and higher taxes; BUT you can NEVER opt out....
Why Not Choose the freedom of Just Saying No Way In May to further enslavement to the government's strong "tax and spend" addiction?
Saying yes to issue three only enables our Wade/Gabbard plan to enjoy one more easy fix, but there is no cure, except to cut off the money supply.
The Voice of Reason

United States

#619 Apr 7, 2013
It appears the welfare recipients, uhm....I mean tea party clan...must not enjoy a nice weather weekend. Instead they stay inside and work up a new round of "facts", which are misrepresentations of the truth meant to further an extremist agenda.
Fortunately the well informed people in this community know better.
I think this community and our safety is important enough to vote YES on Issue 3!
No Reason At All

Cincinnati, OH

#620 Apr 7, 2013
The Voice of Reason wrote:
It appears the welfare recipients, uhm....I mean tea party clan...must not enjoy a nice weather weekend. Instead they stay inside and work up a new round of "facts", which are misrepresentations of the truth meant to further an extremist agenda.
Fortunately the well informed people in this community know better.
I think this community and our safety is important enough to vote YES on Issue 3!
No reason at all for the voice of ridicule to personally attack welfare recipients for being the less fortunate in our community who cannot afford to vote yes to higher taxes.
It's a simple fact, the indoctrinated "Informed" ones in this community think the government can make better use of our money, than the individual taxpayer who earns the money.
I think our neighbors who are facing financial hardships right now are important enough to protect by voting NO on issue 3.
The government has operating money to serve the public; it's time they learned to efficiently do their jobs, for which they are well paid to do.
Just the Facts

United States

#621 Apr 7, 2013
Funny how much some people distort the truth.

The TRUTH is that our fire department relies on the community as much as we rely on them.

The TRUTH is that our fire department has been responsible with public funds, making a 10 year levy last 12 years.

The TRUTH is that our fire department has only asked taxpayers for two levies in the last 26 years.

The TRUTH is that federal grants have been obtained to offset the local costs for over $2 million in necessary equipment.

The TRUTH is that the fire department annual budget is less than most comparable departments in this region.

The TRUTH is that the fire department is responding to over 44% more emergencies today than were handled when the last levy was passed.

The TRUTH is that firefighter positions have been left vacant to save funds, prolonging the need for a levy as long as possible.

The TRUTH is that the fire department has worked extensively to contain costs, not just because of the economic situation but as a standard practice.

The TRUTH is that our firefighters are hard working, deeply committed individuals, not slaves of a labor union.

The TRUTH is that our fire department's ability to handle emergencies plays a significant role in our homeowner's insurance rates.

The TRUTH is that current response times, maintained with the levy, allow paramedics to treat critical patients before irreversable brain damage occurs.

The TRUTH is that neighbors, parents, grandparents, coaches, pastors, business owners, elected officials, and many others have publicly endorsed the levy.

The TRUTH is that our fire department needs our support to continue the excellent service we receive from them.

The TRUTH is that your vote counts, and you have an opportunity to step up and help those that help us when we need it most - when it is our family in harms way.

COME MAY 7th - VOTE YES ON 3!!

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