Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in...

Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio

There are 2047 comments on the EMS1 story from Feb 1, 2013, titled Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio. In it, EMS1 reports that:

CLEARCREEK TWP., Ohio - Trustees in Clearcreek Twp. - third among 11 Warren County townships in net property taxes - disagree about asking voters for an additional 4.5-mill levy to fund fire protection and ambulance services.

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Public Record

Englewood, OH

#482 Mar 31, 2013
LOL and OMG wrote:
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Just because Kasick expected that local homeowners could be bullied into voting oursevles increased taxes on our homes to build bigger local government, doesn't have anything to do with homeowners having enough common senses to Just Say No in May to our local government and Just Say YES to our local government cutting expenses and getting down to the hard work of living within our means.
The record shows that Ka-SICK is cutting local funding left and right. This has caused local governments to make drastic cuts to their already skim budgets. It's sickening!

Read it for yourself:

http://www.citybeat.com/cincinnati/blog-4429-...

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local...

http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/201...
No New Taxes

Piqua, OH

#483 Mar 31, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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The record shows that Ka-SICK is cutting local funding left and right. This has caused local governments to make drastic cuts to their already skim budgets. It's sickening!
Read it for yourself:
http://www.citybeat.com/cincinnati/blog-4429-...
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local...
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/201...
No need trying to shift the responsibility of our local government to CUT EXPENSES instead of INCREASING TAXES to the state....
We only have opportunity to Vote No Tax Increases on our local homes on May 7....bringing Kasick's failures or not into this local issue of Voting No New Taxes is just another effort of the pro-levy lovers to distract from the local government's responsibility to cut expenses instead of asking for Tax Increases.

BTW -- Doesn't the state budget include tax increases on all consumer-based services, including everything from taxes on hair cuts to taxes on funeral services. Instead of increasing payroll taxes on Ohio workers, isn't the Kasick plan to TAX everything we consumers spend money on to increase State revenue...?

It is also sickening that liberals, democrats, non-profits organizational leaders, and republicans (trying to act more like democrats so they can be re-elected) have now badgered Kasick into including in proposed Budget the expansion of obama-don't-care Medicaid expansion big funding, which will cost Ohioans BIG BUCKS to pay for AFTER the federal government funding bails out on its financial responsibility to our State.

Contact your state representatives to tell them to STOP the spending and STOP indebting Ohioans to big federal government entitlement programs. Tell Kasick No New Taxes...
and on May 7 we can go to the polls and tell our Local Towsnhip Government leaders NO NEW TAXES.
We cannot allow ourselves to be indebted further to local government services.
Vote No on May 7.
unionman

Englewood, OH

#484 Mar 31, 2013
No New Taxes wrote:
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Contact your state representatives to tell them to STOP the spending and STOP indebting Ohioans to big federal government entitlement programs. Tell Kasick No New Taxes...
RIGHT ON!!

Tell Ka-SICK he won't be welcome in Ohio much longer!!

Finally, some common ground we can agree on.

He's cut local funds to build the state coffers, and tried to balance his budget on the backs of the public employees. No more!

Vote YES on ISSUE 3 to support local services that have fallen victim to the governor's political agendas.

SUPPORT YOUR FD ALL THE WAY IN MAY!! YES ON 3!!
focus

Dayton, OH

#485 Apr 1, 2013
VOTE NO..SAVE YOUR MONEY..they want a pay raise...well so do I.

DUMP WADE and fire PICKETT.

do not vote for Lamb this fall..don't need another goon at the township.
No New Taxes

Piqua, OH

#486 Apr 1, 2013
unionman wrote:
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RIGHT ON!!
Tell Ka-SICK he won't be welcome in Ohio much longer!!
Finally, some common ground we can agree on.
He's cut local funds to build the state coffers, and tried to balance his budget on the backs of the public employees. No more!
Vote YES on ISSUE 3 to support local services that have fallen victim to the governor's political agendas.
SUPPORT YOUR FD ALL THE WAY IN MAY!! YES ON 3!!
Liar! Liar! Pants on Fire....Unionman

There is NO CUT to local funding! The federal stimulus money (kicking the can down the road and temporarily relieving Local governments of their RESPONSIBILITY to CUT LOCAL EXPENSES to live within the means of their own local resources) WAS expired;
And with the intention of the local governments to badger local taxpaying homeowners to vote for increased taxes so that the local government would have another EASY FIX and just keep kicking the can down the road toward higher and higher local taxes on family homes; It's NOW time for Clearcreek Township Government Leaders to stop blaming the state and federal governments for failed practices; And Time to Cut Expenses and STOP trying to "balance the local government budget ON THE BACKS OF TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY
local homeowners.
VOTE NO TO THE MAY 7 PROPOSED TAX INCREASE ON OUR FAMILY HOMES:
AND TELL MR. PICKETT AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEADERS TO START SUPPORTING OUR FD EMPLOYEES BY CUTTING EXPENSES.
Stop KasichCare

Piqua, OH

#487 Apr 1, 2013
Concerned Citizens can contact State Representatives and ask them to reject ObamaCare's Medicaid expansion in Ohio.

This expansion will lock a million more OHIOANS into a low-quality, government-managed health care system. Expanding medicaid will make Ohio reliant on billions of dollars in extra money from the Federal government each year, even as they accumulate trillions in debt and become unable to pay the bills they already have.

When the federal government can't pay up, it is the hard-working Ohio Family that will get forced into paying the bill for generations to come.
Not to mention the hundreds of millions of dollars in increased annual costs we already know we can expect at the state level. Medicaid expansion is a bab deal for Ohio. Don't fall for Obama's bribes.
Stand strong and protect the financial future of
the Ohio Family and Our State. Reject Medicaid expansion for Ohio.
Public Record

United States

#488 Apr 1, 2013
Vote YES on ISSUE 3
unionman

United States

#489 Apr 1, 2013
No New Taxes wrote:
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Liar! Liar! Pants on Fire....Unionman
There is NO CUT to local funding! The federal stimulus money (kicking the can down the road and temporarily relieving Local governments of their RESPONSIBILITY to CUT LOCAL EXPENSES to live within the means of their own local resources) WAS expired;
I'm sure all those media outlets are lying too...its a conspiracy! I'm guessing you wouldn't see the truth if it hit you right upside the head!
Stand Up to Bullies

Piqua, OH

#490 Apr 1, 2013
unionman wrote:
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I'm sure all those media outlets are lying too...its a conspiracy! I'm guessing you wouldn't see the truth if it hit you right upside the head!
Just Go Ahead and Give it Your Best Severely Misguided Unionman Argument; Voters Standing on Strong Principles of NO NEW TAXES may wobble with your hot air of huffing and puffing, but WE WON'T BACK DOWN. Still Standing...still promoting NO TAX INCREASE ON OUR HOMES. Vote No on ALL issues on the 2013 ballots to TAX INCREASES on our homes.
unionman

United States

#491 Apr 1, 2013
Stand Up to Bullies wrote:
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Voters Standing on Strong Principles of NO NEW TAXES may wobble....
If you stood on a solid foundation of caring for your community and fellow man, you wouldn't have to worry about wobbling. No one likes taxes but on the local level they give a huge return on our investment.

VOTE YES on 3!
Cut Government Expenses

Piqua, OH

#492 Apr 1, 2013
Vote No New Taxes on Our Family Homes in May!
Saying NO to increased taxes in May allows our township government leaders opportunity to cut expenses first.

"We in government should learn to look at our country through the eyes of the entrepreneur, seeing possibilities where others see only problems." (Ronald Reagan)
Cut Government Expenses

Piqua, OH

#493 Apr 1, 2013
unionman wrote:
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If you stood on a solid foundation of caring for your community and fellow man, you wouldn't have to worry about wobbling. No one likes taxes but on the local level they give a huge return on our investment.
VOTE YES on 3!
Caring for your community and fellow man...? By Increasing Taxes?
Township already nets third in collection of taxes among the eleven townships in Warren County...
What's WRONG with the the township leaders cutting expenses to show caring for community and fellow man?...
Perhaps our government leaders need more CARING instead of more money?..

"The size of the federal budget is NOT an appropriate barometer of social conscience or charitable concern." - Ronald Reagan
Public Record

United States

#494 Apr 2, 2013
Cut Government Expenses wrote:
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What's WRONG with the the township leaders cutting expenses to show caring for community and fellow man?...
The record shows that our local government has cut spending significantly. The governor has already cut the local share funds by 40% in his term. They've made up for 3 years of that with no new local money. Where, specifically, do you suggest they cut?
regional taxes

Springboro, OH

#495 Apr 2, 2013
Hmmm.....why is no one on here talking about the Dayton Daily News article from Sunday that lists the tax burden for at least 40 local jurisdictions? Taxes too high here as every CLAIMS? Think again. As compared to our neighbors both north and south, Clearcreek and Springboro have one of the lowest tax burdens around. And yes, some are lower. Not many - and the higher taxes paid are $40-$50 a year. Not the hundreds and thousands that people CLAIM. Sorry, I forgot - facts don't play well here....

focus

Dayton, OH

#496 Apr 2, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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The record shows that our local government has cut spending significantly. The governor has already cut the local share funds by 40% in his term. They've made up for 3 years of that with no new local money. Where, specifically, do you suggest they cut?
Start with cutting pickett's salary. Then stop having fire dept mgmt driving around fire dept vehicles on their own time, all the while having the township pay for the gas used. Freeze wage increases, for afterall, this levy is about pay increases to the fire dept, according to one of Wade's pal, Lamb.
Lurker

Englewood, OH

#497 Apr 2, 2013
regional taxes wrote:
Hmmm.....why is no one on here talking about the Dayton Daily News article from Sunday that lists the tax burden for at least 40 local jurisdictions? Taxes too high here as every CLAIMS? Think again. As compared to our neighbors both north and south, Clearcreek and Springboro have one of the lowest tax burdens around. And yes, some are lower. Not many - and the higher taxes paid are $40-$50 a year. Not the hundreds and thousands that people CLAIM. Sorry, I forgot - facts don't play well here....
Thanks for sharing facts!
Tell It Like It Is

Piqua, OH

#498 Apr 2, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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The record shows that our local government has cut spending significantly. The governor has already cut the local share funds by 40% in his term. They've made up for 3 years of that with no new local money. Where, specifically, do you suggest they cut?
The Way I See It -- After reviewing the Public Records of the Clearcreek Township Permanent Appropriations --
truth be told ......

With a projected budget of 6.4 million dollars for 2013, and 4.6 million being paid out to wages, salaries and benefits; and
With less than 2 million spent on vehicles, repairs and maintenance, utilities and liability insurance...
the way I see it, with just a little bit of "township belt-tightening" ...we have all the money we need in the township to carry on business as usual, maintaining excellent services of our hard working public safety workers, keeping our families safe and taxes on our family homes affordable for all!

Now for all you lovers of "facts for increased taxes" please take time to check with the Warren County Auditors Office; and isn't it the truth that Township government will receive over 5 million dollars for the fire district?.... and a carryover of over 6 million in the same fire district fund??

Now it doesn't take the expertise of a rocket scientist to add that up to $11 million dollars for the Fire Department.
And as a township voter and taxpaying homeowner, I do not need nor want ANOTHER collective tax burden being placed by our local government upon my salary, my home, and my family... by the vote of only TWO township trustees promoting unnecessary (and unwanted) increased taxes.

Just Think Smart! Vote Smart!
Say No to Increased Taxes on our homes!
focus

Dayton, OH

#499 Apr 2, 2013
I haven't had a raise in over 5 years...the levy is about pay raises, according to Dale Lamb, Wade's buddy. I don't get a pay raise, YOU don't either !

VOTE NO on 3, and keep your hard earned money !
unionman

United States

#500 Apr 2, 2013
focus wrote:
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Start with cutting pickett's salary. Then stop having fire dept mgmt driving around fire dept vehicles on their own time, all the while having the township pay for the gas used. Freeze wage increases, for afterall, this levy is about pay increases to the fire dept, according to one of Wade's pal, Lamb.
What a load of bullcrap, made up lies. Got anything concrete to back those up? Didn't think so. Not surprised...
focus

Dayton, OH

#501 Apr 2, 2013
unionman wrote:
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What a load of bullcrap, made up lies. Got anything concrete to back those up? Didn't think so. Not surprised...
Call Lamb and ask him yourself and why is it crap when anyone else disagrees with you...but when you spout your propaganda, we are to believe it like it came from THE burning bush. Can't have it both ways, AKA public record. Get your head out of your ***.

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