Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in...

Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio

There are 2047 comments on the EMS1 story from Feb 1, 2013, titled Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio. In it, EMS1 reports that:

CLEARCREEK TWP., Ohio - Trustees in Clearcreek Twp. - third among 11 Warren County townships in net property taxes - disagree about asking voters for an additional 4.5-mill levy to fund fire protection and ambulance services.

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focus

Springfield, OH

#322 Mar 23, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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$85,000 or $144,000?? Now you can't even make up your mind! Pickett makes $20k less than the average township resident. I'm not saying anything about what he deserves or doesn't deserve.
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I'm just making the point that you are misrepresenting the facts and lying to paint a picture that furthers your silly agenda.
you're quite the neurotic one aren't you ? Someone else said 85k, not me. Please take time to suppress those bogeymen you see.

Since: Aug 12

Mount Gilead, OH

#323 Mar 23, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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Interestingly enough, the uninformed contributors are once again making up "facts" to push their agenda and sure enough, its rooted in lies. No surprise here.
The REAL median income for Clearcreek Township is $105,235. The mean income is even more -$121,730! I'll actually link to my data source, since it isn't fictitious:
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableserv...
I want professional, well paid administrators managing our government. Think things are screwed up now? Try bringing in a $50,000 administrator then tell me what you have to gripe about...much more than artificial turf, I dare say.
Say YES TO 3 on May 7!
I followed your link and this is the information on Warren County
INCOME AND BENEFITS (IN 2011 INFLATION-ADJUSTED DOLLARS)
Total households 114,761,359 +/-251,732 114,761,359 (X)
Less than $10,000 8,176,081 +/-21,386 7.1%+/-0.1
$10,000 to $14,999 6,248,397 +/-20,005 5.4%+/-0.1
$15,000 to $24,999 12,217,054 +/-23,671 10.6%+/-0.1
$25,000 to $34,999 11,944,165 +/-23,888 10.4%+/-0.1
$35,000 to $49,999 15,874,513 +/-27,329 13.8%+/-0.1
$50,000 to $74,999 21,057,656 +/-45,503 18.3%+/-0.1
$75,000 to $99,999 14,181,160 +/-60,815 12.4%+/-0.1
$100,000 to $149,999 14,551,369 +/-71,451 12.7%+/-0.1
$150,000 to $199,999 5,354,595 +/-34,224 4.7%+/-0.1
$200,000 or more 5,156,369 +/-31,033 4.5%+/-0.1
Median household income (dollars) 52,762 +/-99 (X)(X)
Mean household income (dollars) 72,555 +/-125 (X)(X)

I can not find Clearcreek Township only. So can you provide more Information on where you got your numbers?

Stand Up To Bullies

Cincinnati, OH

#324 Mar 23, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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$85,000 or $144,000?? Now you can't even make up your mind! Pickett makes $20k less than the average township resident. I'm not saying anything about what he deserves or doesn't deserve.
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I'm just making the point that you are misrepresenting the facts and lying to paint a picture that furthers your silly agenda.
And I'm just making the point that your silly attempts to bully and accuse others of lying just furthers YOUR agenda of emotional manipulation of ridiculing others into silence. Your strategy is failed.

My mind IS made up, based NOT on the double dipping salary of township administrators; NOR the fact that township wage-earners have even higher incomes; but based on the truth that I believe.
Our township government does not need more new money collected from homeowners. Township homeowners need government leaders with greater financial management skills.
Just Say NO to Increased Taxes in May!
It is the only VOICE of the people to which our government will listen. Only then, will expenses be cut and services continued in the best interst of the public.
A good place to start is cutting that annual salary/plus benenfits expense of hiring that second assistant fire chief. This administrative savings of $84,525 plus benefits should be invested in the well being and the needs of our firefighters/paramedic.
No New Taxes!
Public Record

Englewood, OH

#325 Mar 23, 2013
Who Is Telling Lies wrote:
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Stop bullying Public Record.
It is NO LIE that Clearcreek Township Public Records released by Township Assistant Administrator, Ronald L. Wilhlem, states the salary of Dennis A. Pickett, Township Administrator,$85,000,
retired/rehired.
The fact of the matter is that local taxpayers don't foot retirement income directly. So, would you prefer that Pickett be let go so we would have to pay another administrator $100k or better from our LOCAL tax funds? Look around...what does the competition make? Washington Township's administrator makes $103k, Miami Township's administrator makes $121k...it could be much worse! We're fortunate, really..
Public Record

Englewood, OH

#326 Mar 23, 2013
Out of Money wrote:
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I can not find Clearcreek Township only. So can you provide more Information on where you got your numbers?
You need to narrow your search by "location", or use the map tool to focus in on Clearcreek. Pretty easy, somewhere up there in difficulty with making toast.
focus

Springfield, OH

#327 Mar 23, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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The fact of the matter is that local taxpayers don't foot retirement income directly. So, would you prefer that Pickett be let go so we would have to pay another administrator $100k or better from our LOCAL tax funds? Look around...what does the competition make? Washington Township's administrator makes $103k, Miami Township's administrator makes $121k...it could be much worse! We're fortunate, really..
still don't want an administer with a drinking problem making that much money at our expense...it's outrageous. AND yet you expect the public to merrily vote yes ? get a grip !
Public Record

Englewood, OH

#328 Mar 23, 2013
Stand Up To Bullies wrote:
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It is the only VOICE of the people to which our government will listen. Only then, will expenses be cut and services continued in the best interst of the public.
Good for you. You're dead wrong, but I admire the fact that you don't put a bunch of bull crap out there like some of your peers. You are entitled to your own opinion without having to push an extremest, taxation terrorist agenda.

The one point that I'll make is that if the voters choose to vote down the levy, they'll be (foolishly) sending a clear message that they don't want to pay the costs for the services. And that's fine, that's democracy. It's delusional to think things will go on as they always have, however. Expenses are going up for everyone, our businesses and governments included. Less funding with rising costs means something will have to give. We're not going to have what we need sometimes, and if you vote no you need to be okay with that risk.

As for me, that's not a risk I'm willing to take. When something goes wrong, I want my first responders to be there for me. If my neighbor is the one in need, or a complete stranger passing through our community, so be it. One of the things I love about living in Clearcreek Township is the excellent services we receive, and I'm willing to fund those services come election day.

VOTE YES ON 3 - Keep Clearcreek Township Safe!!
Public Record

Englewood, OH

#329 Mar 23, 2013
focus wrote:
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still don't want an administer with a drinking problem making that much money at our expense...it's outrageous. AND yet you expect the public to merrily vote yes ? get a grip !
Focus - please provide some backup, some documentation, something that supports your claim that Pickett is a drunk. I suspect your
slanderous claims are just a sign of your desperation and gullibility.
focus

Springfield, OH

#330 Mar 23, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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Focus - please provide some backup, some documentation, something that supports your claim that Pickett is a drunk. I suspect your
slanderous claims are just a sign of your desperation and gullibility.
It's common knowledge. The fact that you don't know about it is your ignorance, not mine.
bicurious419

Englewood, OH

#331 Mar 23, 2013
focus wrote:
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It's common knowledge. The fact that you don't know about it is your ignorance, not mine.
"Common knowledge" is usually documented somewhere, otherwise it's not common. Maybe it's just you? Maybe your imagination or hallucinations?
Public Record

Englewood, OH

#332 Mar 23, 2013
bicurious419 wrote:
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"Common knowledge" is usually documented somewhere, otherwise it's not common. Maybe it's just you? Maybe your imagination or hallucinations?
HaHa!! Well said!!
focus

Springfield, OH

#333 Mar 23, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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HaHa!! Well said!!
just keep drinking the trustee kool-aid... you are more ignorant than I thought.
Public Record

Englewood, OH

#334 Mar 23, 2013
focus wrote:
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just keep drinking the trustee kool-aid... you are more ignorant than I thought.
Never tried it, but I'm sure it tastes better than the tea!
common sense

Englewood, OH

#335 Mar 23, 2013
I'm voting yes on issue 3...our community needs a good fire depatment.
noteaforme

Englewood, OH

#336 Mar 23, 2013
Get Real

Cincinnati, OH

#337 Mar 24, 2013
Public Record wrote:
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Good for you. You're dead wrong, but I admire the fact that you don't put a bunch of bull crap out there like some of your peers. You are entitled to your own opinion without having to push an extremest, taxation terrorist agenda.
The one point that I'll make is that if the voters choose to vote down the levy, they'll be (foolishly) sending a clear message that they don't want to pay the costs for the services. And that's fine, that's democracy. It's delusional to think things will go on as they always have, however. Expenses are going up for everyone, our businesses and governments included. Less funding with rising costs means something will have to give. We're not going to have what we need sometimes, and if you vote no you need to be okay with that risk.
As for me, that's not a risk I'm willing to take. When something goes wrong, I want my first responders to be there for me. If my neighbor is the one in need, or a complete stranger passing through our community, so be it. One of the things I love about living in Clearcreek Township is the excellent services we receive, and I'm willing to fund those services come election day.
VOTE YES ON 3 - Keep Clearcreek Township Safe!!
Excellent Services we Receive? You mean like "unloading" family farmland on the taxpayers back?
Decisons made by our township leaders do indeed provide excellently for a "collective few"... but at the expense of ignoring the Voices of the tax-paying masses....

The township government has plenty of money, millions of surplus dollars, to continue providing the same level of excellent services that Keep Clearcreek Township Safe!!

The questions is: Do our township leaders have the financial and management expertise to assure these excellent services to citizens while living within our means, with No New Taxes?
That's what separates good civic minded community leaders from the union band of good old boys.

We will never know if the Pickett has the right stuff until we vote No New Taxes. Only then will our government leaders understand the reality of living within our means, and get to work doing their job of serving the public, starting with cutting expenses of the government.

Vote No New Taxes on our Family Homes in May --Let the government hear your VOICE to cut government expenses and stop theatening to cut safety services to the public.
Public Record

Cincinnati, OH

#338 Mar 24, 2013
Clearcreek Township
250,000.00 of our tax dollars gone
Date: 2013-01-13, 11:03AM
At the last township meeting Mr Ed Wade gave 250,000.00 of our tax money to the city of Springboro. He could have paid for the new hired fire chief Mr kidd. I have no doubt that by handing over 250K to the city, by the way he owns and operates Wade insurance company inside the city limits, that he will receive a lot of votes in the next election for himself.
This 250 K could have been used for a tax holiday from just one of the 14 levys we have on us. Make your vote count so we can get back to saving the over taxed payers a few bucks when we can.
And put a stop to double dipping. Call me crazy but isn't this the same as buying votes??
Why isn't the media reporting this?
In May, there will be a fire levy on the ballot. Instead of a tax holiday due to over collection of our tax dollars and having an enormous cash reserve they will put a levy on the ballot, but first they have to spend down their reserves so they don’t look rich.
Public Record

Cincinnati, OH

#339 Mar 24, 2013
More comments about Double Dipping, you can find out how many people in your local schools, local townships and Cities are retired and rehired. Ask for the records of whom is currently a retire rehire and how much they make. It is a public record and is your right to know.

It happened right here in Clearcreek Township. When Dennis Pickett retired July a year ago, Trustee President Mr Ed Wade couldn't wait the 75 days required by law to rehire Mr Picket so he could join the ranks of the double dippers too. With 5,000.00 per month from the township retirement, then add that to his new salary of 84,000.00 and that does not include his car allowance and several other perks, the one I like is he can come to work or not,( no joke ). He can choose to come to work when at his own choice. That comes to about what most of us hard working tax payers make, 144,000.00, RIGHT!
The only way to put a stop to these buzzards flying around the pot of gold is to stop paying taxes. When we all do that then the public workers will come down to earth, like us.

They will never realize that our financial crisis is due to their spending, padding government pockets, protecting each other, taking from the real work force until we stop handing it over to them. Take these spenders out of office, say no to new taxes, downsize YOUR tax burden. We have also have triple dippers in our government.

VOTE NO TAX INCREASES ON OUR HOMES! WE CANNOT AFFORD INCREASED GOVERNMENT SERVICES AT OUR OWN FAMILY'S EXPENSE!
Your all misdirected

Cleveland, OH

#340 Mar 24, 2013
You do know the fire department operates out of its own budget, that is completely separate from the township? It is illegal for the TWP to use the funds the FD is requesting.
I don't presume I will change any of your minds and I will not stoop to the levels of name calling and whining and flat out lies I see on here. What I will say is this.
Clearcreek Fire District
Last levy was 12 years ago in 2001
Since levy, every promise the department made has not only been met, but exceeded.
Population protected has more than doubled since the last levy (in 2001).
Run volume has nearly doubled in that time as well.
Levy will cost a little over $10 bucks a month per 100,000 home value (exactly $20.75 a month for my home).
Is 10-30 bucks a month really worth lowering our own levels or protection? Its not like this is a federal tax where we never really see the money come back to us. This is a LOCAL issue and you can see exactly where your taxes go by visiting any of the three stations, or call 911 and see who shows up.
Flame on, say mean hateful, hurtful uninformed things... but for those of you who desire to make an actual educated decision. CALL the department, stop in and talk to the guys, or visit www.Yesto3.com to learn more.
focus

Springfield, OH

#341 Mar 24, 2013
Your all misdirected wrote:
You do know the fire department operates out of its own budget, that is completely separate from the township? It is illegal for the TWP to use the funds the FD is requesting.
I don't presume I will change any of your minds and I will not stoop to the levels of name calling and whining and flat out lies I see on here. What I will say is this.
Clearcreek Fire District
Last levy was 12 years ago in 2001
Since levy, every promise the department made has not only been met, but exceeded.
Population protected has more than doubled since the last levy (in 2001).
Run volume has nearly doubled in that time as well.
Levy will cost a little over $10 bucks a month per 100,000 home value (exactly $20.75 a month for my home).
Is 10-30 bucks a month really worth lowering our own levels or protection? Its not like this is a federal tax where we never really see the money come back to us. This is a LOCAL issue and you can see exactly where your taxes go by visiting any of the three stations, or call 911 and see who shows up.
Flame on, say mean hateful, hurtful uninformed things... but for those of you who desire to make an actual educated decision. CALL the department, stop in and talk to the guys, or visit www.Yesto3.com to learn more.
I already talked to one of the "guys". He is voting against the fire levy. I asked him why and he said that the fire dept management was abusing the system and using fire dept assets for their own personal use.

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