Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio

Feb 1, 2013 Read more: EMS1 2,046

CLEARCREEK TWP., Ohio - Trustees in Clearcreek Twp. - third among 11 Warren County townships in net property taxes - disagree about asking voters for an additional 4.5-mill levy to fund fire protection and ambulance services.

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panther1523

Englewood, OH

#242 Mar 14, 2013
Issue 3 will help keep our neighborhoods protected by a properly staffed and equipped fire department. The website ( yesto3.com ) told me all I need to know. I'm for sure voting YES to 3!
unionman

United States

#243 Mar 14, 2013
Vote yes on 3 in May!
citizen

Dayton, OH

#244 Mar 14, 2013
unionman wrote:
Vote yes on 3 in May!
Vote yes IF you want to spend more of your tax dollars than you have to.
unionman

United States

#245 Mar 14, 2013
citizen wrote:
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Vote yes IF you want to spend more of your tax dollars than you have to.
Vote yes on 3 if you don't want to see property values plummet and lives lost! What kind of person wouldn't want firemen then when you or your neighbor need them.
focus

Dayton, OH

#246 Mar 14, 2013
unionman wrote:
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Vote yes on 3 if you don't want to see property values plummet and lives lost! What kind of person wouldn't want firemen then when you or your neighbor need them.
good grief....more scare tactics...is this the best you got??
unionman

United States

#247 Mar 14, 2013
focus wrote:
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good grief....more scare tactics...is this the best you got??
Its fact straight off their website...what do you have to support your position? Somehow you make a few cents a day sound like its going to break the bank. Now that's a silly dramatic scare tactic anyone can see through...
focus

Dayton, OH

#248 Mar 14, 2013
unionman wrote:
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Its fact straight off their website...what do you have to support your position? Somehow you make a few cents a day sound like its going to break the bank. Now that's a silly dramatic scare tactic anyone can see through...
Spare me...you sound like the school levy people years ago using the slice of pizza analogy routine. See this...anyone with a home value of 150k will pay a least another 200 bucks a year...this is not chump change to seniors. Hardly a few cents a day...keep spinning the township lies.!
unionman

United States

#249 Mar 14, 2013
focus wrote:
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Spare me...you sound like the school levy people years ago using the slice of pizza analogy routine. See this...anyone with a home value of 150k will pay a least another 200 bucks a year...this is not chump change to seniors. Hardly a few cents a day...keep spinning the township lies.!
I'm not familiar with the pizza issue, but with this fire levy most residents would pay less than a senior would pay for a cup of coffee at a restaurant. Since most seniors realize they are the most likely ones to need an ambulance one day I'm sure most will join me in saying YES TO 3!
Springboro Dad

United States

#250 Mar 14, 2013
Did the math, 63 cents a day for my place, that's a no brainer - yes to 3!
focus

Dayton, OH

#251 Mar 14, 2013
Springboro Dad wrote:
Did the math, 63 cents a day for my place, that's a no brainer - yes to 3!
no brain is the key word...keep drinking the trustee kool-aid. If it's so cheap, why the levy? Let the township goons absorb it.
Springboro Dad

United States

#252 Mar 14, 2013
focus wrote:
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no brain is the key word...keep drinking the trustee kool-aid. If it's so cheap, why the levy? Let the township goons absorb it.
Thought personal attacks were below you?? Guess its hard when the truth backs you into a corner.
unionman

United States

#253 Mar 14, 2013
focus wrote:
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no brain is the key word...keep drinking the trustee kool-aid. If it's so cheap, why the levy? Let the township goons absorb it.
What a mutt....FTM
Straight to the Point

Piqua, OH

#254 Mar 15, 2013
Springboro Dad wrote:
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There is a point where doing more with less finally equalls doing less with less....
Clearcreek township government is no where near the point of "doing less with less..."

There is a point when taxed-to-the-max homeowners just have to tell our local governments to cut expenses and stop threatening to cut services to the public.

Just say No Way In May to increased taxes on our family homes.
YES TO 3

Englewood, OH

#255 Mar 15, 2013
Straight to the Point wrote:
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Clearcreek township government is no where near the point of "doing less with less..."
There is a point when taxed-to-the-max homeowners just have to tell our local governments to cut expenses and stop threatening to cut services to the public.
Just say No Way In May to increased taxes on our family homes.
Well if you are "taxed to the max" and can't afford a few cents a day to assure quality fire protection, I sure hope other less important items don't increase in price. I can't imagine what would happen if your favorite beverage, meal, etc increased in cost a little bit. I'm sure you would revolt and do without it immediately as well.
PTOmom1444

Englewood, OH

#256 Mar 15, 2013
I know that my costs have gone up over the last several years, so I can't blame the fire dept when theirs go up too. Gasbuddy.com says unleaded averaged $1.52 a gallon in 2001 when the last fire levy passed. Hard to even remember when it was that cheap. I'll vote yes on Issue 3.
Just Union Malarky

Piqua, OH

#257 Mar 16, 2013
unionman wrote:
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I'm not familiar with the pizza issue, but with this fire levy most residents would pay less than a senior would pay for a cup of coffee at a restaurant. Since most seniors realize they are the most likely ones to need an ambulance one day I'm sure most will join me in saying YES TO 3!
Get Real, unionman, your doublespeak of being SURE that most will join YOU for increased taxes on our senior citizens homes is just YOUR union malarky!
Speak only for yourself IF you are a senior citizen who wants to defer YOUR cup of coffee a day to ALREADY HEAVILY DOUBLE SIPPING Clearcreek Township Government Administrators.

Were you among the township voters at the public meeting when our retired-rehired highly paid administrators REFUSED to give township residents, including senior citizens, a tax holiday
for relief from over-collection of taxes (from all township residents) including senior citizens, who have to heavily
"dip" into their dwindling retirement savings to pay increased taxes on their homes?

Smart Voters, no matter the age, who are educated to the Union's scare tactics of "doing us harm" if we don't pay up....
will just say no way in May to this type of local government
which only serves AGAINST the public's best interest.

Just Vote No! Just Pocket those hundreds of dollars per year of increased taxes that the local government is demanding to keep grandparents from dying; and just take grandparents on a holiday with family...Now that's investing in Real Living, no matter your age and.... Just Priceless!
focus

Dayton, OH

#258 Mar 16, 2013
unionman wrote:
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I'm not familiar with the pizza issue, but with this fire levy most residents would pay less than a senior would pay for a cup of coffee at a restaurant. Since most seniors realize they are the most likely ones to need an ambulance one day I'm sure most will join me in saying YES TO 3!
A cup of coffee a day huh? A different spin on the same smoke and mirror routine the school levy Nazis used, until the public wised up to the nonsense. I am voting NO.
Brian B

United States

#259 Mar 16, 2013
I have done my research on this and looked at both sides. The FACT that our fire department has not asked for a levy in 12 years, they have offset costs with grant money, and they are not seeking to expand the fire department but maintaine current levels is more than enough reasons for me to vote YES. I hate taxes as much as anyone but this is money well spent.
Wake Up Sleepy Head

Piqua, OH

#260 Mar 16, 2013
YES TO 3 wrote:
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Well if you are "taxed to the max" and can't afford a few cents a day to assure quality fire protection, I sure hope other less important items don't increase in price. I can't imagine what would happen if your favorite beverage, meal, etc increased in cost a little bit. I'm sure you would revolt and do without it immediately as well.
Wake up and vote no on this May 7 tax increase on our family homes! There are gobs of tax increases coming from the state that those of us in our affluent bedroom communities will NOT have opportunity to say NO. Our township double dipper local government officials are not the only government officials knocking on the door of our bedroom community of "Yes to 3 voters" who are dreaming "hopes of audacity" that important items don't increase in price... Where have you been? Wake up to the reality of our governor's proposed statewide tax increases on everything from hair cuts to funeral expenses (just another reason to vote no to the fire levy/better let grandparents pocked that money to pay their funeral taxes).
Rumor has it that fifteen state government officials are double dippers, Nine with the letter (R) and Six with the letter (D).
Our state wide legislatures will also be voting Yes or No to the governor's budget proposal to indebt Ohio taxpayers to the failing federal government "nobamacare" Medicaid insurance.
focus

Dayton, OH

#261 Mar 16, 2013
Brian B wrote:
I have done my research on this and looked at both sides. The FACT that our fire department has not asked for a levy in 12 years, they have offset costs with grant money, and they are not seeking to expand the fire department but maintaine current levels is more than enough reasons for me to vote YES. I hate taxes as much as anyone but this is money well spent.
I am voting no because the township are nothing but greedy double dipping SOB'S. And don't tell me the fire dept doesn't have anything to do with the greedy double dipping turds.....they ( fire dept personnel) voted these trustees in. BTW, I have a neighbor who works with the fire dept...he is also voting no.

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