Securitas Security Union SPFPA LOCAL ...
curious union supporter

United States

#41 Aug 11, 2010
Iknowittrustme wrote:
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Securitas is a contractor, whom has a contract with honeywell, therefore the security guards do in fact work as a contractor for honeywell.
Thank you for responding. I guess I am just confused by the comments bashing Securitas. I assumed that they would take the side of their employees, not the company trying to force them into a ridiculous contract which could result in a strike or lock out. That's where I'm confused. Wouldn't Securitas be on the losing end if the guards go on strike or get locked out?

Since: Aug 10

United States

#42 Aug 11, 2010
curious union supporter wrote:
I thought the guards worked for Securitas, not HoneyHell ... Wouldn't Securitas be on the union's side not HoneyHell's? I'm just curious because I have a friend who works security there ...
Securitas bidded on the contract for security at honeywell and beat out wackenhut, so then securitas agreed on the current contract that the union had with wackenhut, and now the union contract is due to be up so they renegotiating with securitas/honeywell for a new contract. securitas and honeywell are on the same side, there motive is money to keep in their pockets while the guards strive for a rate of living expence increase in their contract, and health insurance is the first priority. honeywell contracted the job out, securitas got the contract and hired the guards back in from wackenhut since they were already there, i hope i explained it clearly for you.
curious union supporter

United States

#43 Aug 11, 2010
That makes it MUCH clearer. I was unaware of some of those facts. Thank you for taking time to answer that for me!:)
Ultra Conservative

North Hollywood, CA

#44 Aug 11, 2010
Iknowittrustme wrote:
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They have not signed any new contract yet they are negotiating at this time, they are under a contract until August 22nd at midnite. But the new proposed contract is a slap in the face to them. They will not sign it and they do not like it. The 1% raise increase is true the 50/50 insurance is true, the extra week of vacation after ten years is true. There is no doubt there would be retaliation , LOL!!! but the truth is the truth. My question to you is why can't you believe the answers your getting you maybe surprised to whom responds to your posts, did you ever think about that? Nothing that has been posted on here is false information, it is very accurate, their second day of negotiations is underway and we hope they get better news and a better contract offer.
Wow, why all the hostility. I'm not questioning whether what was offered was true or not, I BELIEVE YOU! I was just asking for someone who is a guard, what their thoughts are, that's all. I wasn't aware there were negotiations going on.

Can't believe you all (non guards) are so defensive. Relax.
Ultra Conservative

North Hollywood, CA

#45 Aug 11, 2010
PROUD WIFE OF LOCAL 232 wrote:
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First of all, I live with one of the negotiaters. Every guard knows exactly what was offered yesterday. So if they are happy with a 1% increase, which by the way is less than cost of living, they need to say so. Don't agree with everyone else and then go on here and complain about things. I also know for a fact that there will be no accepting or not accepting of any contract before everyone has a vote. How do you know if they agreed to a contract? Do you know anyone that is in negotiations or are you company? No one deserves less than a cost of living raise. That is a slap in the face to anyone. Plus make them pay more for health insurance. No one wants to work a job where the rise of insurance costs per month out weighs your monthly pay increase. Whats the point??? You will never get anywhere with that company. Every year your net bring home is less. So, if you know something that everyone else does not, then spill it or stick a sock in it. The truth has been told and will continue to be told by proud family & supporters of the LOCAL 232.
Sorry I offended you and thank you for your comment. BTW - For the first time in more than three decades Social Security recipients will not receive a benefit increase, formally known as a cost of living adjustment (COLA), in 2010. This info can be found at http://www.ssa.gov/cola/

Since: Aug 10

United States

#46 Aug 11, 2010
curious union supporter wrote:
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Thank you for responding. I guess I am just confused by the comments bashing Securitas. I assumed that they would take the side of their employees, not the company trying to force them into a ridiculous contract which could result in a strike or lock out. That's where I'm confused. Wouldn't Securitas be on the losing end if the guards go on strike or get locked out?
No they would make money for themselves. they would hire new officers at 9.00 an hour and save alot of money. Because when you have officers that work their ass off for a lil nothing and no contract, after their expences they really don't make a thing but the contractor and the contractee make all the money. Follow me here?

Since: Aug 10

United States

#47 Aug 11, 2010
Ultra Conservative wrote:
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Wow, why all the hostility. I'm not questioning whether what was offered was true or not, I BELIEVE YOU! I was just asking for someone who is a guard, what their thoughts are, that's all. I wasn't aware there were negotiations going on.
Can't believe you all (non guards) are so defensive. Relax.
Defensive is not the issue here, i been following all this as well as with the USW lock-out, everyone wants to believe the company side of things or don't take time to ask what the real facts are. I'd just like to see more people on board with the workers and understand where they are coming from. Big time money making companies want all the profit and wanna screw their employees that actually do all their work for them.
My thoughts on their contract is bull-shit and non negotiable.
Ultra Conservative

North Hollywood, CA

#48 Aug 11, 2010
Iknowittrustme wrote:
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Defensive is not the issue here, i been following all this as well as with the USW lock-out, everyone wants to believe the company side of things or don't take time to ask what the real facts are. I'd just like to see more people on board with the workers and understand where they are coming from. Big time money making companies want all the profit and wanna screw their employees that actually do all their work for them.
My thoughts on their contract is bull-shit and non negotiable.
I don't think everyone believes Honeywell's side of things. I certainly don't and I don't like unions. I'm actually on the side of workers on this matter. I think Honeywell is being underhanded in all this. As for money making companies, they do have to make a profit and not all screw their employee's.

Here's my take on the whole Honeywell situation and I'm sure many will agree. This lockout was to get Honeywell out of it's current contract with their customer because the prices set were very low at the time the contract price was first set. If they successfuly get out of that contract, they can charge a much higher price for their product, which is what they really want to do. Once that happens, this lock-out will end and everybody will be happy.

However, if I'm wrong? Then this lock-out will last a very, very long time.
The Facts of Life

United States

#49 Aug 11, 2010
I am a proud wife of an Officer of Local 232 SPFPA, and mother of a young child. We are VERY concerned and disappointed in the first offer brought to the negotiation table. In this economy we are all suffering and scraping by living pay check to pay check as it is. It is financialy impossible for a small family to live on one income as it is, now they want us to play Russian Roulette with our lives and our babies lives because no one could possibility afford to go to the doctor or even think about going to the hospital incase of an emergency on a 50/50 health plan. We have already had our water, gas, and phone shut off, can't afford to pay our electric, garbage pick up, or car insurance bills......due to greedy bureaucrats! God forbid we have a sick child or an accident/emergency, we would loose our house and everything we own to pay 50% of doctor bills....
I sure hope the Union Negotiators get some compassion and much over due respect in the form of a fair contract from corporate today. God knows we sure can't afford to be walking that line with USW 7-669, but we will if we have to!

Since: Aug 10

United States

#50 Aug 11, 2010
Ultra Conservative wrote:
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I don't think everyone believes Honeywell's side of things. I certainly don't and I don't like unions. I'm actually on the side of workers on this matter. I think Honeywell is being underhanded in all this. As for money making companies, they do have to make a profit and not all screw their employee's.
Here's my take on the whole Honeywell situation and I'm sure many will agree. This lockout was to get Honeywell out of it's current contract with their customer because the prices set were very low at the time the contract price was first set. If they successfuly get out of that contract, they can charge a much higher price for their product, which is what they really want to do. Once that happens, this lock-out will end and everybody will be happy.

However, if I'm wrong? Then this lock-out will last a very, very long time.
I totally agree with the customer contract thing, that is pretty much for sure. They say they only want certain workers back in there. I just pray they work out a descent contract with both unions and make the insurance fair and reasonably cheap for them and thier families.
Family Man

United States

#51 Aug 11, 2010
Dear Facts Of Life:

I totally agree with you. I am a security officer at honeywell and member of Local 232. My family is in the exact same situation as yours. How can we afford to even put food on our tables in this bad economy, let alone think about paying 50/50 on health insurance? I never expected Securitas to even think about disrespecting us like that and risking the same situation with the Gaurds as they just saw happen with the plant workers/USW. Frankly I am shocked and appauled with there first offer and i will join my brothers and sisters and walk the line if i have too!
Too tired

Elizabethtown, IL

#52 Aug 11, 2010
I'm not a member of either of the Unions but I'd walk beside you any day.
swampdonkey

Waterloo, Canada

#53 Aug 11, 2010
Out of curiosity, what is the starting pay for the guards? I saw a post saying something about 9.00 an hour, but how on Earth could someone afford 500/month for insurance?

Since: Aug 10

United States

#54 Aug 12, 2010
Around here unarmed officers make anywhere from 8 to 9 an hour, armed officers usually around 15 an up ain't to bad as long as all their money doesn't go towards insurance and the whole 9 yds.

But the local 232 did get something better throwed their way now all their union members have to do is vote it in, they didn't lose a thing and gained a lil, lil it better than none at all, and they still got to keep their insurance the way it was, i'm very thankful and i know my brothers and sisters are. Local 232 we rock!!!!!!
truth

Paducah, KY

#55 Aug 12, 2010
The Facts of Life wrote:
I am a proud wife of an Officer of Local 232 SPFPA, and mother of a young child. We are VERY concerned and disappointed in the first offer brought to the negotiation table. In this economy we are all suffering and scraping by living pay check to pay check as it is. It is financialy impossible for a small family to live on one income as it is, now they want us to play Russian Roulette with our lives and our babies lives because no one could possibility afford to go to the doctor or even think about going to the hospital incase of an emergency on a 50/50 health plan. We have already had our water, gas, and phone shut off, can't afford to pay our electric, garbage pick up, or car insurance bills......due to greedy bureaucrats! God forbid we have a sick child or an accident/emergency, we would loose our house and everything we own to pay 50% of doctor bills....
I sure hope the Union Negotiators get some compassion and much over due respect in the form of a fair contract from corporate today. God knows we sure can't afford to be walking that line with USW 7-669, but we will if we have to!
Maybe another way to save money would be to cut off your internet and cable. It's not a necessity like food and water. By the way, only having to pay 50% of you health insurance is great compared to people that have to pay 100%. I'm just trying to put this in perspective for you, which is something you obviously haven't done.

Since: Aug 10

United States

#56 Aug 12, 2010
truth wrote:
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Maybe another way to save money would be to cut off your internet and cable. It's not a necessity like food and water. By the way, only having to pay 50% of you health insurance is great compared to people that have to pay 100%. I'm just trying to put this in perspective for you, which is something you obviously haven't done.
OK Truth, maybe they are not a necessity, but how do you know that something didn't happen to that officer that caused him to be out of work and with no money comin in thats how come there lights, gas and etc was shut off. I'm merely sayin we know insurance is high and when ur payin 100% urself it is really high, sometimes it is cheaper away from ur jobs benefits either way, the bickereing needs to be cooled here, it was nearly a statement and you just had to counter respond with negative thoughts. You probally should have been in their shoes to understand their circumstances, i'm just merely sayin. have a great day.
curious union supporter

United States

#57 Aug 12, 2010
Iknowittrustme wrote:
But the local 232 did get something better throwed their way now all their union members have to do is vote it in, they didn't lose a thing and gained a lil, lil it better than none at all, and they still got to keep their insurance the way it was, i'm very thankful and i know my brothers and sisters are. Local 232 we rock!!!!!!
That's good to hear!!

Since: Aug 10

United States

#58 Aug 12, 2010
curious union supporter wrote:
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That's good to hear!!
I totally agree.
ungroundround

Waterloo, Canada

#59 Aug 12, 2010
I actually hope it works out for these guys, they were lookin at a raw deal.

Since: Aug 10

Bloomsburg, PA

#60 Aug 12, 2010
ungroundround wrote:
I actually hope it works out for these guys, they were lookin at a raw deal.
Thankyou, we are pleased with what we got. Were good for another 3 years anyway. Our main concern was insurance and it stayed the same can't complain. Not losing anything was a plus.

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