French braid ends Texas boy's follicle fight

Full story: Santa Cruz Sentinel

A 4-year-old Texas boy disciplined for having long hair has returned to his class with a brand new 'do. Pre-kindergartner Taylor Pugh rejoined his classmates at his suburban Dallas elementary school on Tuesday.
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Jewelemna Jaynes

United States

#47 Jan 30, 2010
They shouold go by the rules of the school not make there own rules I stick to the schools rules take him out and home school him if you don;t like it If he gets by with it the rest of the kids can too
Parents ypu should not raise hell with the school you are nost running fthe school
At Large

Sturgis, MI

#48 Jan 30, 2010
I'm not wrong...you are an exception to the norm...assuming for just a moment that you are not lying. My hair is long...but I run my own business. I get to hunt during the autumn and grow my beard...but I can do that as a result of having paid my dues. During the spring...I cut my hair because I call on my customers and my buyers of whom 99 percent are more conservative in their mode of dress and grooming. I live in the real world such as the one this four year old will be forced into in about 13 or 14 years. He doesn't live in California like you. He will be judged by those to whom he applies for a job...right or wrong.
Long Haired Rebel wrote:
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YOU ARE WRONG!! See my previous post. You dont know any better because you are stuck in "MI".i feel sorry for you actually. sure am glad i am one of those "NUTS" that live in California.Have fun Living in your BOX or RUT.and dont forget, a RUT is a CASKET with the ends kicked out.hahahahahaha
At Large

Sturgis, MI

#49 Jan 30, 2010
So that you know...I actually "live" in New Mexico. Two weeks ago if I would have responded to this thread, my ISP location was El Paso, two weeks prior to that the location was Santa Fe...and a week prior, Phoenix. Since Thanksgiving I have traveled 10,000 miles. Because I do travel quite a bit, I make it a point to try and get the lowest air-fares possible. One thing I noticed was that as I filed onto the airplanes and past First Class...I saw well dressed men, women and children; most of the adults were middle-aged or older. But even those who were less than 40 years of age were dressed and groomed conservatively. Now I'm certain that this was not the case across the board...but if one were to agree that statistical sampling can be relied upon as an indicator of a broader reality, then one might conclude that the majority of people who fly First Class (or can afford to fly First Class) are conservative. The argument can continue indefinetly.
Long Haired Rebel wrote:
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YOU ARE WRONG!! but you live in "MI" so you dont know any better. see my previous post. I am glad i am one of those "FREAKY NUTS" that live in California.you just happen to be stuck in a RUT. and a rut is a casket with the ends kicked out.
bikerscum

San Jose, CA

#50 Jan 30, 2010
Bruce wrote:
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Isn't it amazing how they preach freedom, them act totally opposite from what they pretend to stand for?
It's kinda like they are just SOOO antichoice when it comes to women's reproductive rights, but the same people are all for starting wars to kill people who are alredy born. Seems like one should be either prolife or not! Man, I dislike hypocrits!
bikerscum

San Jose, CA

#51 Jan 30, 2010
At Large wrote:
Not disagreeing with you...but, "clean-cut" is the standard set by most businesses. A conservative appearance is required by associates who represent "the company" in MOST cases. If one wants to work at Spencers or Hot Topic, that is just fine...but you well know that those are temporary situations for teens and college students and are definitely not career paths for the majority of those who work them. we all wanted to be rock stars, or hair dressers or artists of some sort. Bohemian lifestyles accompanied with liberal standards of appearance. But only a few succeed. The rest are relegated to working for "the man" and subject to his rules...or they work for those who have a less rigid standard...but pay terrible wages.
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Maybe in your part of the country. Not so here in the land of the free. Employers here value creativity, thinking outside the box. They judge you on how well you do your job, not on your appearance. What a novel concept, heh?
At Large

Sturgis, MI

#52 Jan 30, 2010
So I've heard from other Californians. But California is just one state of 50. And if all of the creative people could move to California and be guaranteed a well-paying job and at the same time, feel free to dress any way they like, groom however they felt and live any lifestyle they chose...I'd be on the first plane out. But we both know that doesn't happen.
bikerscum wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe in your part of the country. Not so here in the land of the free. Employers here value creativity, thinking outside the box. They judge you on how well you do your job, not on your appearance. What a novel concept, heh?
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#54 Jan 30, 2010
At Large wrote:
I'm not wrong...you are an exception to the norm...assuming for just a moment that you are not lying. My hair is long...but I run my own business. I get to hunt during the autumn and grow my beard...but I can do that as a result of having paid my dues. During the spring...I cut my hair because I call on my customers and my buyers of whom 99 percent are more conservative in their mode of dress and grooming. I live in the real world such as the one this four year old will be forced into in about 13 or 14 years. He doesn't live in California like you. He will be judged by those to whom he applies for a job...right or wrong.
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The point being that in 13 or 14 years, that will be the time for him to make the decision about whether or not he wants to cut his hair, if he hasn't already made that decision earlier.

I grew up in the 50's with what is now called a "buzz cut," but was permitted to "grow my hair out" (whitewalls around my ears) when winter came. However, as soon as school was out in the summer, my hair had to be buzzed again, and I hated it. Once I entered junior high, I was allowed to have my hair "long" year round. The decision about my hair length was always a matter between me and my parents, as it should be, unless their is a health or safety issue (Unfortunate children who got head lice (never me) often got their hair buzzed as well, and in a primarily non-military community, it carried a bit of a stigma at the time, which may have accounted for part of my own resistance).

Nevertheless, approaching 60, neither my hair length at age 4 nor my SATs ever ever had any impact on my being able to find work or being successful at any job that I obtained, and this has included doing production work, managing, owning my own business for almost two decades, and teaching in both the military and public education communities.
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#55 Jan 30, 2010
Jewelemna Jaynes wrote:
They shouold go by the rules of the school not make there own rules I stick to the schools rules take him out and home school him if you don;t like it If he gets by with it the rest of the kids can too
Parents ypu should not raise hell with the school you are nost running fthe school
School districts that run public schools are public agencies, funded by public taxes, with trustees/officials who are elected by the public. Parents should "raise hell" with the schools anytime they believe that their children's rights are being violated (segregations), that the children are being discriminated against, abused, or unfairly singled out (bullied, even by a school district), or that the best interests of their children are not being served (restricting their personal rights or freedom by imposing arbitrary rules) by the policies approved by their elected representatives. This was one of those times.
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#56 Jan 30, 2010
At Large wrote:
So that you know...I actually "live" in New Mexico. Two weeks ago if I would have responded to this thread, my ISP location was El Paso, two weeks prior to that the location was Santa Fe...and a week prior, Phoenix. Since Thanksgiving I have traveled 10,000 miles. Because I do travel quite a bit, I make it a point to try and get the lowest air-fares possible. One thing I noticed was that as I filed onto the airplanes and past First Class...I saw well dressed men, women and children; most of the adults were middle-aged or older. But even those who were less than 40 years of age were dressed and groomed conservatively. Now I'm certain that this was not the case across the board...but if one were to agree that statistical sampling can be relied upon as an indicator of a broader reality, then one might conclude that the majority of people who fly First Class (or can afford to fly First Class) are conservative. The argument can continue indefinetly.
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All of which goes to show that 4-year-olds haven't had enough money to be flying around the country in First Class for the last two months (who does anymore?). Now, if all of those people who were conservatively dressed had pictures of themselves at 4-years-old pinned to their clothing so that we could see how they had changed over 20, 30, 40 years or so, there might be something worthwhile about this observation.

Children are children, and should be permitted to be so until they aren't. When a child decides (usually around age 6 or 7) that there is some personal merit in conforming with his peers to a greater extent than previously, he will change, and then change again, and again. It's called growing up, and a child of 4 doesn't need to start practicing to be 18 until he gets to be a whole lot closer in age (it's developmental, not cumulative), otherwise I am surprised that someone here isn't recommending that he immediately be shown how to do his taxes, drive a car, and put on a condom.
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#57 Jan 30, 2010
Finepix wrote:
Kids well on his way to becoming a fruit.
Maturing fruit has both nutritional and reproductive value, unlike the conforming and undifferentiated vegetable which is primarily composed of mostly colon-cleansing fiber.
At Large

Sturgis, MI

#58 Jan 30, 2010
You are correct...it was just an observation...and I spend an inordinate amount of time observing people. I observe them at the mall, at nightclubs, at airports, on the trains or buses. I watch for suttle indicators of cultural backgrounds, I listen for dialects and/or accents...I do these things not in judgement, but because I have a genuine concern for my fellow human beings. As a soldier I was exposed to people from all over the world...it was an awsome experience. After I retired from the Army, I became a Corrections Officer for the state of Texas. The people that I observed during my tenure with the TDCJ were not so unique except that their methods of dealing with failure were a little more drastic. And when you speak to a felon, very often you find that he is a very normal individual. You might wonder why so many ended-up in the situations they did. And then, on visitation day, you know exactly why.
Ocean View wrote:
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All of which goes to show that 4-year-olds haven't had enough money to be flying around the country in First Class for the last two months (who does anymore?). Now, if all of those people who were conservatively dressed had pictures of themselves at 4-years-old pinned to their clothing so that we could see how they had changed over 20, 30, 40 years or so, there might be something worthwhile about this observation.
Children are children, and should be permitted to be so until they aren't. When a child decides (usually around age 6 or 7) that there is some personal merit in conforming with his peers to a greater extent than previously, he will change, and then change again, and again. It's called growing up, and a child of 4 doesn't need to start practicing to be 18 until he gets to be a whole lot closer in age (it's developmental, not cumulative), otherwise I am surprised that someone here isn't recommending that he immediately be shown how to do his taxes, drive a car, and put on a condom.
Missy

Garland, TX

#59 Jan 31, 2010
Ocean View wrote:
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School districts that run public schools are public agencies, funded by public taxes, with trustees/officials who are elected by the public. Parents should "raise hell" with the schools anytime they believe that their children's rights are being violated (segregations), that the children are being discriminated against, abused, or unfairly singled out (bullied, even by a school district), or that the best interests of their children are not being served (restricting their personal rights or freedom by imposing arbitrary rules) by the policies approved by their elected representatives. This was one of those times.
THAT IS ONLY YOUR Opinion !!!
Parents who raise hell teach their children to do so.
The best interest is to get the kids educated, and keep them off drugs.
That is only one of the reasons why our country is in such worse shape.
You owe it to your children (if by any change you have any) to
support their education efforts. Not everyone who pays taxes will agree with your statement. But then people like you need to wake up to reality.
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#60 Jan 31, 2010
Missy wrote:
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THAT IS ONLY YOUR Opinion !!!
Parents who raise hell teach their children to do so.
The best interest is to get the kids educated, and keep them off drugs. That is only one of the reasons why our country is in such worse shape. You owe it to your children (if by any change you have any) to support their education efforts. Not everyone who pays taxes will agree with your statement. But then people like you need to wake up to reality.
My reality is having raised 2 children, both of whom are in college, one in CC and one in law school, who know their rights and are quite comfortable in asserting them when faced with arbitrary or discriminatory practices. The "raise hell" quote referenced the previous poster's comment, and was not an endorsement of a loud, disruptive, destructive approach, which all of my previous posts reflect. But that does not mean that one "rolls over and plays dead" when they encounter absurd policies with no foundation in health, safety, or documented educational research concerns.

I am certain that there are quite a number of taxpayers out there who believe that because their money went somewhere to provide a public service (police, roads, schools, welfare, military, etc.) that this gives them the privilege, nay right, to pass judgment on anyone who even nominally receives those services. And while that is an attractive notion, those are now community funds to be used in a fashion which benefits all qualified recipients in a consistent and non-discriminatory manner, regardless of individual taxpayer prejudices or preferences.

That reality means that even though I don't want our military in Iraq, I get to partially fund it anyway, or suffer consequences for withholding payment. The accountability isn't with the legal recipient of properly assigned benefits, it is with the public officials who improperly administer them in ways that are unfair, improper, arbitrary, or discriminatory.

I teach 4-year-olds that they get to make choices for themselves, but they don't get to make choices for other people. The reality for all of us is the same as for 4-year-olds, except that some choices get made for us while we, and they, still retain the right, knowledge, and expertise to make those decisions ourselves/themselves. One of those decisions is what length and style of hair children wear to school as long as it doesn't involve a health or safety issue.
bikerscum

San Jose, CA

#61 Jan 31, 2010
Missy wrote:
<quoted text>
THAT IS ONLY YOUR Opinion !!!
Parents who raise hell teach their children to do so.
The best interest is to get the kids educated, and keep them off drugs.
That is only one of the reasons why our country is in such worse shape.
You owe it to your children (if by any change you have any) to
support their education efforts. Not everyone who pays taxes will agree with your statement. But then people like you need to wake up to reality.
Actually, it is not ONLY that poster's opinion. Several of us agree. It is part of a parent's obligation to advocate for their children as frequently young ones cannot advocate for themselves. By the way, apparently you parents didn't support your "educational efforts" very well as there are several spelling and grammar errors in your post.
spearchucker el mayate

Woodway, TX

#62 Jan 31, 2010
what the hell is is going on with our country men with ear rings pretty young ladies with stuff stuck into their faces.sueing our courts over stupid crap ...this kid will need a bail bondsmen before he turns 21yrs old. and a pres. who will not listen to the american people. please god save my country america.
Ocean View

Pacific Grove, CA

#63 Jan 31, 2010
spearchucker el mayate wrote:
what the hell is is going on with our country men with ear rings pretty young ladies with stuff stuck into their faces.sueing our courts over stupid crap ...this kid will need a bail bondsmen before he turns 21yrs old. and a pres. who will not listen to the american people. please god save my country america.
I'm having a really difficult time connecting those particular dots with my crayon.
bikerscum

San Jose, CA

#64 Jan 31, 2010
spearchucker el mayate wrote:
what the hell is is going on with our country men with ear rings pretty young ladies with stuff stuck into their faces.sueing our courts over stupid crap ...this kid will need a bail bondsmen before he turns 21yrs old. and a pres. who will not listen to the american people. please god save my country america.
Why will the child need a President who doesn't listen to the American people before he turns 21 yrs old? I agree with Ocean View!
Not from Texas

Osceola, MO

#65 Feb 1, 2010
Biker Scum They just don't get it. Thats y we say it is a 1% life or be blind to tyranny. I prefer to be called biker trash, it just has that ring to it you know?

PRIVATEERS 1% MC
bikerscum

San Jose, CA

#66 Feb 2, 2010
Not from Texas wrote:
Biker Scum They just don't get it. Thats y we say it is a 1% life or be blind to tyranny. I prefer to be called biker trash, it just has that ring to it you know?
PRIVATEERS 1% MC
LOVE IT! A bro from New Zealand gave me the idea for my name. He is always saying "filthy biker scum!", facetiously, of course! He is also a rider. Yeah, it's yet another of those cliche "If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand" situations. Got a tat on my wrist that says "Living the life I love, loving the life I live." If one is not living like that, why draw breath? Most people don't even know they are not free. Rubber side down my friend!
Martia

Garland, TX

#69 Feb 4, 2010
Ocean View wrote:
<quoted text>
School districts that run public schools are public agencies, funded by public taxes, with trustees/officials who are elected by the public. Parents should "raise hell" with the schools anytime they believe that their children's rights are being violated (segregations), that the children are being discriminated against, abused, or unfairly singled out (bullied, even by a school district), or that the best interests of their children are not being served (restricting their personal rights or freedom by imposing arbitrary rules) by the policies approved by their elected representatives. This was one of those times.
Equally so, taxpayers should raise hell because students are not learning in school. There are parents who are not teaching their
kids how to behave when they are in class. Kids need rules at home, before they come to school and disrupt class. I say these parents are free to homeschool their kid, and do what they please at their home.
Most taxpayers will agree with that.

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