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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50546 Apr 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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If GOd will not allow us to go extinct, why is letting us go extinct?
"The wicked is reserved to the day of destruction, they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath. It's all part of the plan. The Lord is a God of second chances and will plead with all flesh. It aint over til it's over and that's when we die and we'll be judged. It may very well be that there will be no more humans, just angels but I don't think so, the angels will also inhabit the earth

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#50547 Apr 7, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>"The wicked is reserved to the day of destruction, they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath. It's all part of the plan. The Lord is a God of second chances and will plead with all flesh. It aint over til it's over and that's when we die and we'll be judged. It may very well be that there will be no more humans, just angels but I don't think so, the angels will also inhabit the earth
Would you please stop the bible babbling for a minute and address the question?
Voluntarist

United States

#50548 Apr 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
I believe you might be alluding to "thou shalt not MURDER" or as it is said in the native text
"Lo t'ratzach"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_k...
You shall not murder sometimes translated as You shall not kill, KJV Thou shalt not kill (LXX &#959;&#8016; &#966;&#959;&#957; &#949;&#973;&#963; &#949;&#953;&#962; , translating Hebrew &#1500;&#1465;&#14 88; &#1514;&#1460;&#14 68;&#1512;&#1456;& #1510;&#1464;&#1495; lo tir&#7779;a&#7717;), is a moral imperative included as one of the Ten Commandments in the Torah,[1] specifically Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17.
The imperative is against unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt. The Hebrew Bible contains numerous prohibitions against unlawful killing, but also allows for justified killing in the context of warfare, capital punishment, and self-defense.
So a drone killing of an innocent child is justified under the auspices of war?
Voluntarist

United States

#50549 Apr 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
http://www.truthortradition.co m/modules.php?file=article &name=News&sid=225
Ratsach, like many other words, has a wide range of meaning, and thus its meaning in a particular verse must be determined from both the immediate and remoter contexts. Thankfully, the Bible has a lot to say about murder, manslaughter, the execution of criminals and killing in war, and it is easy to tell by studying all the verses on the subject that the Sixth Commandment means not to take a life unjustly. Bible commentators are not confused by the commandment,“You shall not kill.” Maxie Dunnam wrote about the Sixth Commandment in the Mastering the Old Testament commentary on Exodus:
According to Genesis 9:6, this commandment did not prohibit the death penalty. It is obvious in the Old Testament that this [Sixth Commandment] was not a prohibition against all killing, only unauthorized killing.[1]
Because the Bible has clear teaching on murder and manslaughter, and because saying,“You shall not kill,” confuses people about killing in self-defense, in war and the execution of criminals, most modern versions properly translate ratsach in the Sixth Commandment as “murder.” For example:
New King James Version: You shall not murder.
Revised English Bible: Do not commit murder.
New International Version: You shall not murder.
New American Standard Bible: You shall not murder.
New Revised Standard Version: You shall not murder.
Amplified Bible: You shall not commit murder.
New English Bible: You shall not commit murder.
Tanakh (Jewish Publication Society): You shall not murder.
The above versions of the Bible were produced by teams of scholars with differing theological backgrounds, including Protestant, Anglican, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, and Jewish scholars. It should be clear from the evidence that the Sixth Commandment is not about the death penalty, but about unjust killing, that is, murder.
"unauthorized killing" implies that killing could be authorized, by who?

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#50550 Apr 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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So a drone killing of an innocent child is justified under the auspices of war?
Please be more specific. Is there an incident in mind?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50551 Apr 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Would you please stop the bible babbling for a minute and address the question?
People will never go extinct, all those in heaven will live forever. That is the purpose of life, to live. God created mankind because she was lonely and she wants everybody to live beyond this short earthly life in heaven forever. Angels are immortal.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50552 Apr 7, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Consciousness is the only reality!
I've had many dreams where I know I'm dreaming and I'll say to someone in the dream, "This is a dream" or "I'm dreaming". That is the ultimate consciousness, knowing that you're unconscious.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50553 Apr 7, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
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False.
Christianity has thrown Judaism out. Jesus taught we must observe the Torah, not the paganized pretend christian 'holydays'.
My DNA still says JEW...
"Jew" is both an ethnicity and a religion. A Jew cannot change his genes but can change his religion. Jewish and Christian are terms that are mutually exclusive, you can't be both at the same time (belief wise) Christianity is idolatry and is expressly forbidden in the torah.

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#50554 Apr 7, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text> People will never go extinct, all those in heaven will live forever. That is the purpose of life, to live. God created mankind because she was lonely and she wants everybody to live beyond this short earthly life in heaven forever. Angels are immortal.
Ok - I get it. You are a religious fundamentalist who is a denier of science.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50555 Apr 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Ok - I get it. You are a religious fundamentalist who is a denier of science.
I am by no means a denier if science but I am a fundamentalist. The prophets of the OT had an understanding of science. Dan. 1:4o

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#50556 Apr 7, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I am by no means a denier if science but I am a fundamentalist. The prophets of the OT had an understanding of science. Dan. 1:4o
But the bible never went into the question of science. It was all allegorical and metaphorical at best when touching upon any scientific theme.

If you are not a denier of science, why cant you pick a position on climate change that involves the application of science?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50557 Apr 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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But the bible never went into the question of science. It was all allegorical and metaphorical at best when touching upon any scientific theme.
If you are not a denier of science, why cant you pick a position on climate change that involves the application of science?
God is subject to the rules and laws of science but also transcends them. That is the definition of a miracle. The earth needs to be renewed, it's like changing the oil in your car every 3000 miles and recreation has happened before, the flood and ice ages for example.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50558 Apr 7, 2013
susanblange wrote:
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I've had many dreams where I know I'm dreaming and I'll say to someone in the dream, "This is a dream" or "I'm dreaming". That is the ultimate consciousness, knowing that you're unconscious.
What?

You've understood nothing about the way Consciousness acts in the waking, subliminal, supraphysical, disembodied and subconscient states.

But then I don't blame you for being ignorant about something as fundamental as Consciousness and its workings since the Tanakh and NT fail to explain Consciousness and not surprisingly these infantile scriptures are more comfortable dealing with animal/human sacrifice, wars, genocides, dying on the cross, fanaticism, baby bashing, stoning disobedient sons to death, incest, warnings against the worship of other petty beings and other evils. These are the teachings of backward cults like Judaism and Christianity.

Besides, science, too, hardly knows anything about the true nature and workings of Consciousness and the way its acts in matter and is content to view Consciousness as a derivative of matter when every indicator, inference and proof refutes this naive assumption.

Anyway, carry on.

BTW, most dreams are of the subconscient variety.....
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50559 Apr 7, 2013
susanblange wrote:
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That is the ultimate consciousness, knowing that you're unconscious.
Unconscious?

There's nothing like a permanent or temporary switching off or extinction of consciousness.

What the ordinary people call "unconscious" simply means a retreat of the surface consciousness into its subliminal or subconscient depths or it could also mean that the waking consciousness has come out of the body during an OBE.

Like energy, consciousness can neither be created nor destroyed.

Consciousness and Energy form a unified field that manifests as a gradation.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50560 Apr 7, 2013
Consciousness is awareness + intelligence + information. Consciousness always carries with it a concomitant energy that makes it dynamic by nature and helps it in realizing its intent. The deeper the state of consciousness, the greater its potency.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50561 Apr 7, 2013
Both a Benevolent Being and the Devil can be Merciful or Compassionate to their loyal human followers. The Absolute is beyond all these inferior attributions.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50562 Apr 7, 2013
THE ASURA EL:

An Asura like say the Middle Eastern El (the Demon-God of the Babylonians, Agurites, Sumerians, Egyptians, Hebrews, Christians, Muslims and others) can be Merciful, Loving, Cruel, Forgiving, Loving, Bloodthirsty, Martial, Violent, Unjust, Just, Fanatical, Jealous and can have any number of anthropopathic traits.

ROFL.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50563 Apr 7, 2013
The Absolute Consciousness is way beyond attribution and non-attribution. ROFL.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50564 Apr 7, 2013
JEWS WORSHIP SATAN:

"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer - so I wasn't lying - and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive.'"

Harold Rosenthal

(assistant to Sen. Jacob Javits of New York)

PS: Harold was murdered shortly afterwards the detailed interview in which he made the following revealing comments about his cult and fellow Jews.

LMAO
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50565 Apr 7, 2013
CHRISTIAN STUPIDITY:

"We are amazed by the Christians' stupidity in receiving our teachings and propagating them as their own."

Harold Rosenthal

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