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Las Cruces man wants neighbors to team up to stop crime

There are 33 comments on the Las Cruces Sun-News story from Dec 10, 2010, titled Las Cruces man wants neighbors to team up to stop crime. In it, Las Cruces Sun-News reports that:

It's late. Two teenagers in a white car pull up to another group in a black car.

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Dcm

Las Cruces, NM

#1 Dec 11, 2010
What's NM law regarding the use of deadly force on perpetrators breaking and entering vehicles and homes?
sincamisa

Rio Rancho, NM

#2 Dec 11, 2010
Good Job Manny!

“Navy veteran. ”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#3 Dec 11, 2010
Dcm wrote:
What's NM law regarding the use of deadly force on perpetrators breaking and entering vehicles and homes?
Not as good as the Texas law. The used of deadly force has some requirements.

Here are some guide lines for using deadly force.

A criminal adversary must have, or reasonably appear to have:
1. the ability to inflict serious bodily injury (he is armed or reasonably appears to be armed with a deadly weapon),
2. the opportunity to inflict serious bodily harm (he is physically positioned to harm you with his weapon), and
3. his intent (hostile actions or words) indicates that he means to place you in jeopardy -- to do you serious or fatal physical harm.

When all three of these "attack potential" elements are in place simultaneously, then you are facing a reasonably perceived deadly threat that can justify an emergency deadly force response.

The key in NM is you have a fear for you life when using deadly force. I would think that someone in your home at 2 am would give you a reasonable fear of life. I think you might have more problems if you were to confront someone in your driveway breaking into your vehicle.

I have seen this quote all over the internet, I do not know who said it though.
" I would rather be judge by 12 then carried by 6"
Do not trust LE to make the correct call for you in the use of Deadly Force. Do not talk to them until you have a lawyer. As the saying goes "ANYTHING you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST you in a court of LAW.
Spell It Out For Me

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Dec 11, 2010
Great recap, USN. Saved me some typing. Bottom line, if you consult New Mexico case law, you'll find that the court's reading of NM statutes has tended to be rather conservative (i.e., not in your favor should you choose to use deadly force in protecting your home).

Should you ever be involved in such an incident, whether you "lawyer up" or not, 1) do not let yourself be rushed into a statement (let the officer(s) know you will cooperate, but you need time to calm down and collect your thoughts) and 2) when you do give a statement impress on the officer(s) that you believed at the time that your life and/or lives of your loved ones were in IMMINENT DANGER -- no time to call 911 and wait for the police. Unlike other states with stronger Castle Doctrines, you may not shoot someone for simply stealing or vandalizing your property.

Goes without saying, know who you are shooting. Would be rather tragic, if you shot your drunk neighbor, who stumbled into your house, or your teenager, who was just coming home, after sneaking out at night.
Spell It Out For Me

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Dec 11, 2010
And, DCM, I want to be clear that IANAL (I am not a lawyer). The above is my general understanding of New Mexico law.
neighborhood watcher

AOL

#6 Dec 11, 2010
Mr Ayala is right on. Rather than getting ramped up to kill someone, let's rally to oversee our neighborhoods, know who we live next to, when they are home or away, have get togethers, pay attention, help with the $$ to install lights and security, it will give all of us a better connection to our community and it feels great.

“Navy veteran. ”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#7 Dec 11, 2010
Spell It Out For Me wrote:
And, DCM, I want to be clear that IANAL (I am not a lawyer). The above is my general understanding of New Mexico law.
Good points. The same goes for me IANAL. I do try to be informed. I do not believe that you can know every law. While I feel lawyers make things far more difficult then necessary, You should have one if you every have to discharge your firearm. You have to be very careful when it comes to LE. Their job is not to help you out but to investigate. Cooperate fully, but do not consent or give any statements until you have consulted a lawyer.
Use the law to your advantage.
Ron Nesler

Evansville, IN

#8 Dec 11, 2010
I salute you, Manny Ayala. Neighborhood Watch works, and once a few neighbors join together others will see the improvement and more will join in. I have temporarily relocated outside of Las Cruces, but I once was involved in a Neighborhood group on the East Mesa that made things very, very inconvenient for thugs, bullies, drug dealers, boom box car folks and other enemies of ordinary people. We helped send some of these deserving monsters to prison. My group received tireless help from Chief Romero's people and especially from Officer Rob Peterson of the TNT (Targeting Neighborhood Threats) squad. I suggest you ask Officer Peterson for help in your neighborhood. Good luck and don't let the thugs intimidate you!
Ron Nesler

Evansville, IN

#9 Dec 11, 2010
After reading some of the other comments, I should add that shooting people is seldom the solution. I don't recommend civilians shooting people except under the most extreme of circumstances.

And, it is my experience that the tough guys who talk so calmly of shooting other human beings are usually the ones who don't have the physical courage to get out and actually walk a Neighborhood Watch patrol in their neighborhoods or to stand up to the thugs in other meaningful ways.

Courage means holding the line against thuggery with proper police help, not bragging about shooting people.
Spell It Out For Me

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Dec 11, 2010
Neighborhood Watch is important. Our road is one of the very few in our (unicorporated) area to sport a neighborhood watch sign. The neighbors have each others contact numbers (home/cell) and we have invited everyone over to get to know each other. We take care of each other's places, when we're out of town and everyone keeps an eye out for any suspicious behavior. I call it being neighborly. :-)
Ron Nesler

Evansville, IN

#11 Dec 11, 2010
Dear Spell It Out For ME,

You have just described the very essence of a good and effective neighborhood protection group, be it Neighborhood Watch or of some other sort. The lowest common denominator is simply the act of being good neighbors.
ESOK

Muskegon, MI

#12 Dec 11, 2010
Spell It Out For Me wrote:
Neighborhood Watch is important. Our road is one of the very few in our (unicorporated) area to sport a neighborhood watch sign. The neighbors have each others contact numbers (home/cell) and we have invited everyone over to get to know each other. We take care of each other's places, when we're out of town and everyone keeps an eye out for any suspicious behavior. I call it being neighborly.:-)
my neighbors house was broken into. While the thieves left they dropped items in my yard. The cops SWORE up and down it was me. I told them I would be a dumb criminal to rob my neighbors house then leave tuff laying around to find in my yard. The problem is I think a lot of neighbors don't trust ANYONE that is young with tattoos. They dragged me down and questioned my for hours and would let my fiancee or 6 year old girl inside OUR OWN house. They tried to tell my fiancee they had DNA evidence I committed the robbery, only 1 HOUR after it happened! They tried everything trying to get me to make a false confession. They even tried to get loud and in my face and tell me I was a convicted felon, until I told them I have top secret security clearance. Neighborhoods watch whas going on and NEVER tell the cops anything until EVERYONE is on the same page. And get to know your neighbors, don't wait for an invite. My neighbor still give me funny looks but they are dumber than the cops if they think it was me. The cops well forget about them, they can't solve a crime without ALL OF US doing their jobs for them. I encourage you to talk to your city council rep and complain about how bad a job the cops do in solving easy crimes.
I say

United States

#13 Dec 11, 2010
kill the sonsuvbiches on sight. Las Cruces PD is worthless as tits on chickens. 6 cops patrolling the streets on a busy Friday but 15 of the mother friggers in court prosecuting each of their cases they wrote up. What a dumbas/s city. City? What a dumbas/s hick town. 15 damned cops in court! 6 on the damned street! See somebody hinky in your hood? Shoot the bas/ta/rds. No cop will be around to bust you for it unless you do it in the courtroom they live in.

Las Cruces has gone to hell and did it in a hurry. 20 long years of unending assualt by our "neighbors" from down south of the border who bring us disease, crime, filthy neighborhoods, filthy kids in OUR schools. So many blessings.
I disagree

United States

#14 Dec 11, 2010
Ron Nesler wrote:
After reading some of the other comments, I should add that shooting people is seldom the solution. I don't recommend civilians shooting people except under the most extreme of circumstances.
And, it is my experience that the tough guys who talk so calmly of shooting other human beings are usually the ones who don't have the physical courage to get out and actually walk a Neighborhood Watch patrol in their neighborhoods or to stand up to the thugs in other meaningful ways.
Courage means holding the line against thuggery with proper police help, not bragging about shooting people.
and challenge anybody to show me a criminal who was shot dead and returned later. Kill the SOBs. The damned cops are hogtied and dumb. Kill about 5 or 6 burglars in a few months and watch the stats go down for 2 reasons - most burglaries are committed by a few burglars. Also, when is the last time you heard of ANYBODY or ANY BUSINESS being charged with an accessory to crime for receiving stolen property? NONE!!! Oh but Susana Martinez will now protect us. She was simply waiting until she could be governor to prove a point. Dumba/s/ses who voted her in are in for a rude awakening.
SSDD

Las Cruces, NM

#15 Dec 11, 2010
Ron Nesler wrote:
After reading some of the other comments, I should add that shooting people is seldom the solution.
So at 2 am after someone has kicked in your door and it in your house, you should try to reason with them? Come on Ron, wake up.
They

United States

#16 Dec 11, 2010
ESOK wrote:
<quoted text>
my neighbors house was broken into. While the thieves left they dropped items in my yard. The cops SWORE up and down it was me. I told them I would be a dumb criminal to rob my neighbors house then leave tuff laying around to find in my yard. The problem is I think a lot of neighbors don't trust ANYONE that is young with tattoos. They dragged me down and questioned my for hours and would let my fiancee or 6 year old girl inside OUR OWN house. They tried to tell my fiancee they had DNA evidence I committed the robbery, only 1 HOUR after it happened! They tried everything trying to get me to make a false confession. They even tried to get loud and in my face and tell me I was a convicted felon, until I told them I have top secret security clearance. Neighborhoods watch whas going on and NEVER tell the cops anything until EVERYONE is on the same page. And get to know your neighbors, don't wait for an invite. My neighbor still give me funny looks but they are dumber than the cops if they think it was me. The cops well forget about them, they can't solve a crime without ALL OF US doing their jobs for them. I encourage you to talk to your city council rep and complain about how bad a job the cops do in solving easy crimes.
could do all that to you because they did zero, zilch, zip, nada for my house and goods. 1 1/2 hours to get a cop over when I told the dispatcher the guy had just run out the back. Just like Mexico but higher taxes and if you defend yourself here then they DO get interested.

BTW ask these as/s/holes how many solved burglary cases they have on the dockets. NONE!!!!!!!! A blind dog could catch somebody INSIDE the house. Good God. We need cops that care and can eventually break at least a FEW cases! Right now they only break these IF they catch them with a car load of goods and the id/i/ots used a cell phone while they drive away.

“ keep the loonies on the path.”

Since: Aug 10

Detroit

#17 Dec 11, 2010
To me, this is disturbing.. Hi, Chief, I want to get a neighborhood watch going. Well, you'll have to talk to this guy. This guy say I need to walk door to door and solicit interest.
The PD, in all it's might and glory should be doing this.
Want to eliminate the need for a N/W ? Start enforcing various provisions of the RICO Act.
check it out...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search...

Get on it and most of the problem is solved (except for the judges)
I see

United States

#18 Dec 11, 2010
the frigging burglars and their worthless families are on here giving "nuts" and "clueless" to those who foment killing their ba/s/ta/rd burglar daddies and brothers. Burglary is a father-to-son trade and always has been. The cops are well aware of it as centuries of law enforcement handed that down. But when was the last time a real burglary or auto theft ring was taken down by the work of the DACSD or the LCPD. Only if they stop them for a license plate light and see stolen goods.
Do not

United States

#19 Dec 11, 2010
SSDD wrote:
<quoted text>
So at 2 am after someone has kicked in your door and it in your house, you should try to reason with them? Come on Ron, wake up.
try to teach a pig to whistle. It annoys the pig and is a waste of time.
Ernesto

Las Cruces, NM

#20 Dec 11, 2010
i mean really? you really put almost the exact location of this mans house. moron editor to allow that to stay in

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