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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70287 Mar 27, 2014
former res wrote:
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Can one really stroke a clitoris in a "non-sexual way."
It runs counter to years of training!
From a linguistic point of view, I would think not.("C" IS a sexual organ, after all, so by definition....)

However I could see a nut case like our favorite Yogi here trying to do this...

What gets me is that Tantric sex (the practice of sex as meditation - with an emphasis on the play rather than the big O)- has a long traditional history - yet the practice was totally ignored in the article. Sure, I can understand the need to re-invent the wheel in order to copyright to make a profit, but surely at least the author should of known better, and should of at least mentioned this. IN other words, the idea is not that radical - been done before.

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#70288 Mar 27, 2014
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Frijoles---the issue will be whether one can now opt out of civil rights laws because of one's religious beliefs
HughBe--- In essence YOU are saying that the only ones who have rights are the homosexuals. People like me have no right to their RELIGIOUS beliefs and so if I do not believe that you and your male companion should be married YOU and the law championed by the rear specialists shall FORCE US to do things against our CONSCIENCE and our beliefs.
Whatever happened to FREEDOM of RELIGION and more importantly FREEDOM in general?
Up to now, the US courts have been VERY clear that civil rights trumps religious rights in most cases. Religious expression has its limits. You are free to worship on your own as long as you are not trampling on others people's civil rights.

The current case before the Supreme Court may change this.

However, the only reason the issue is before the courts is that it involves the new health care (Obamacare). Superfically, the case is about implementation of the new law. The religious angle is a repercussion of the case, since it involves a religious corporation (if there is such a thing -thats part of the debate).

I get that your bible thumping precludes you from understanding that gay rights is an equality issue. No need to get back into that discussion except to note that demographically and legally, you are on the loosing side of that debate. Thanks Gods.

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#70289 Mar 27, 2014
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1.What do POVERTY levels have to do with someone being FORCED to drive a car to a location where a CRIME was subsequently committed and then the kidnapped gets arrested and IMPRISONED for 32 years?
2. It is clear to me that you see a link between poverty and half-life, the other point in my post and which related to a DIFFERENT scenario.
3. It is a MASSIVE SHAME that a Third world country/Jamaica has a comparable POVERTY level to the GREAT and FIRST world country called America. SHAME on YOU America.
FR already posted the link between poverty, race, and opportunity. He does have a basis for agreement with you, if you would mellow enough to see it.

Half life?(from your other post). What do you mean?

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#70290 Mar 27, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Incorrect, if it be the will of the Almighty I could be the ruler of America. Now go ahead and mock the idea.
Me thinks you would have to stand in line behind Michelle Bachman and Rick Santorum, who, by the way, despite their similarities to you, do disgust better than you.
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#70291 Mar 27, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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If yes then based on the evidence you should conclude that OJ was innocent, in my opinion. My memory tells me that the substance in his blood should not have been at the level it was based on its half-life. It was a long time ago but that is what my memory tells me. I believe it was some preservative.
There was a trail of his blood from the crime scene to his truck to his bedroom.

Guilty.
former res

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#70292 Mar 27, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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From a linguistic point of view, I would think not.("C" IS a sexual organ, after all, so by definition....)
I thought for a second there, you were going to claim to be a "cunning linguist!"
:))
Frijoles wrote:
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However I could see a nut case like our favorite Yogi here trying to do this...
What gets me is that Tantric sex (the practice of sex as meditation - with an emphasis on the play rather than the big O)- has a long traditional history - yet the practice was totally ignored in the article. Sure, I can understand the need to re-invent the wheel in order to copyright to make a profit, but surely at least the author should of known better, and should of at least mentioned this. IN other words, the idea is not that radical - been done before.
These guys run out of things to write about.
What's old is new again, or so they like to make it sound like.
former res

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#70293 Mar 27, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Up to now, the US courts have been VERY clear that civil rights trumps religious rights in most cases. Religious expression has its limits. You are free to worship on your own as long as you are not trampling on others people's civil rights.
Right, so the thumpers can't force prayer in public schools, but in many states they still teach creationism./ID; and no nativity scenes in town squares. so generally they can't force their beliefs on the rest of us.

But this law would force them to PAY for what is effectively an abortion (the morning after pill). This runs squarely against their religious beliefs.(Thought again Christians have been forced to vaccinate their kids and so on)) But abortion is a very hot button issue needless to say. And it's not like the employees can't pay for this one benefit themselves, those few it would affect.(Again just playing devil's advocate here..)

So I do see why this specific case has ended up where it is and also wouldn't be shocked to lose it.
Frijoles wrote:
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The current case before the Supreme Court may change this.
However, the only reason the issue is before the courts is that it involves the new health care (Obamacare). Superfically, the case is about implementation of the new law. The religious angle is a repercussion of the case, since it involves a religious corporation (if there is such a thing -thats part of the debate).....
This is why some observers are anticipating a narrow win for the other side.

Like possibly a narrow exception for companies like this:

A very tightly held family-run company, very Christian, they sell religious stuff (and up till recently no Jewish stuff) and they've always been closed on Sunday.

This very narrow decision (should it happen) won't please the thumpers either. They would want a big exception for this part of the law.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70294 Mar 27, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Joel---Kindness shown to you?

HughBe--- Naturally, I needed the sympathies as I have no other source to get it.
You have a loving family and a huge church congregation, right?

So, why rely on these unintelligent, sub-human types who post here for kindness ?

What do you mean by "kindness"?

Superficial politeness or polite inquiries about your health/well being?

If this is what you mean by kindness then you will always get fooled by the riff raff with who you keep arguing with over silly topics.....

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70295 Mar 27, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Joel---I don't know anyone here who is kind to you except on the rare occasion.

Hugh--- I crave for those occasions.
As I said it's all a superficial display of kindness.

Well, like your opponents on this forum, you lack intelligence, class, poise and self-respect.

Anyway, birds of a feather flock together. LOL.

Grow up.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70296 Mar 27, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Joel---Most importantly, most posters here disrespect you and use you as a source of cheap entertainment to trade ugly jokes.

Hugh---The last laugh is mine even if they do not know it.
LOL.

Well the riff raff (like Frijoles, Former, Eric and COR) who're your favorite debating partners have not the least respect for you as a person or for your beliefs. They simply use you as a source of cheap entertainment.

Had you better sense, you'd have sought out more refined company to talk with than these riff raffs (like Frijoles, Former, Eric and COR).

Don't you have anyone better in your family or in your office to intelligently talk with on a regular basis than these low grade jokers here?

Seek and you shall find....

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70297 Mar 27, 2014
former res wrote:
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Right, so the thumpers can't force prayer in public schools, but in many states they still teach creationism./ID; and no nativity scenes in town squares. so generally they can't force their beliefs on the rest of us.
But this law would force them to PAY for what is effectively an abortion (the morning after pill). This runs squarely against their religious beliefs.(Thought again Christians have been forced to vaccinate their kids and so on)) But abortion is a very hot button issue needless to say. And it's not like the employees can't pay for this one benefit themselves, those few it would affect.(Again just playing devil's advocate here..)
So I do see why this specific case has ended up where it is and also wouldn't be shocked to lose it.
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My understanding is that one of the "abortifacients" is an IUD, shouldnt be that controversial.

I agree, if Hobby Lobby was actually ethical, they would give their employees a choice to go on the exchange. But they are not. This is about control of employees and a strike against Obamacare. That said, why would you willingly work for a place like that if you didnt buy in to their paradigm? This isnt like a Catholic hospital where health care is technically divorced from the ownership. But then again, the slippery slope...
former res wrote:
<quoted text>This is why some observers are anticipating a narrow win for the other side.
Like possibly a narrow exception for companies like this:
A very tightly held family-run company, very Christian, they sell religious stuff (and up till recently no Jewish stuff) and they've always been closed on Sunday.
This very narrow decision (should it happen) won't please the thumpers either. They would want a big exception for this part of the law.
A very tightly held family-run company with almost 600 stores. With that many stores, I doubt it is that it really is that family controlled. They can claim it is, but really.....

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#70298 Mar 27, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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LOL.
Well the riff raff (like Frijoles, Former, Eric and COR) who're your favorite debating partners have not the least respect for you as a person or for your beliefs. They simply use you as a source of cheap entertainment.
.
So you are not that clueless after all!

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70299 Mar 27, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Hugh--- There is no need to do so as a better needs not esteem the views of those beneath.

Note, I am speaking in the given context.
Use the little intelligence that you have in a more constructive manner and get ahead in life.

You really have a lot to learn before you can manage to come up to the minimal standards.

Try to cultivate better poise as well.

Take care, old man (I take it that you're in your 50s).

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#70300 Mar 27, 2014
former res wrote:
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I thought for a second there, you were going to claim to be a "cunning linguist!"
:))
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These guys run out of things to write about.
What's old is new again, or so they like to make it sound like.
Yeah, the internet is even worse than the 24 news channel. Gotta post content. And obviously the jr reporters, probably kids (interns), are not very knowledgeable about the greater world.

That said, I think it would of been a much better article had the writer at least asked the organizers how this was different than Tantra. Many people who practice yoga probably had the same question.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70301 Mar 27, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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So you are not that clueless after all!
Well, like Hugh, you, too, are the butt of many cruel jokes given your lack of intelligence, lack of poise, fanaticism and clumsiness. LOL.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70302 Mar 27, 2014
TANTRA - ITS 2 ASPECTS

Tantra has 2 aspects - spiritual and sensual.

The spiritual aspect of Tantra is based on meditative techniques using various mantras with each mantra corresponding to a specific state of consciousness/energy, while the sensual aspect of Tantra is highly popular among the degraded and ignorant types in the West and elsewhere and if taken seriously it leads to barbarism of the Torah-kind by which I mean a Tantra-practitioner of the sensual variety becomes as degraded as riff raffs like Moses, David, Lot, Krishna and Muhammad.

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#70303 Mar 27, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Well, like Hugh, you, too, are the butt of many cruel jokes given your lack of intelligence, lack of poise, fanaticism and clumsiness. LOL.
From what I observed, you are the only one joking.

If a tree lands in a forest and noone is there to her it, is it real?

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#70304 Mar 27, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
TANTRA - ITS 2 ASPECTS
Tantra has 2 aspects - spiritual and sensual.
The spiritual aspect of Tantra is based on meditative techniques using various mantras with each mantra corresponding to a specific state of consciousness/energy, while the sensual aspect of Tantra is highly popular among the degraded and ignorant types in the West and elsewhere and if taken seriously it leads to barbarism of the Torah-kind by which I mean a Tantra-practitioner of the sensual variety becomes as degraded as riff raffs like Moses, David, Lot, Krishna and Muhammad.
And what is your intellectual link to Torah in this practice?

Please enlighten me, O noble virgin.

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#70305 Mar 27, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
TANTRA - ITS 2 ASPECTS
Tantra has 2 aspects - spiritual and sensual.
Maybe you should approach Salon.com about writing an article.

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#70306 Mar 27, 2014
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A very tightly held family-run company, very Christian, they sell religious stuff (and up till recently no Jewish stuff) and they've always been closed on Sunday.
http://www.salon.com/2014/03/27/hobby_lobbys_...

Hobby Lobby’s secret agenda: How it’s secretly funding a vast right-wing movement
Exclusive: How entities related to the company are quietly pumping tens of millions into a mélange of fringe causes

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