Study: Red-light cameras make safer d...

Study: Red-light cameras make safer drivers

There are 14 comments on the Las Cruces Sun-News story from Jan 10, 2012, titled Study: Red-light cameras make safer drivers. In it, Las Cruces Sun-News reports that:

The preliminary conclusions of a New Mexico State University study on the use of red-light enforcement cameras show that Las Cruces motorists are apparently driving safer, and there appears to be reductions in rear-end crashes at the intersections where the cameras are being used.

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biglloyd

Franklin, MI

#1 Jan 10, 2012
The intersection of Lohman Avenue and Telshor Boulevard has been adjusted to address the volume of traffic in turn lanes since the cameras were put in, decreasing the wait of cars as the signals cycle through; drivers who are not sitting through these cycles are not as prone to speed through a yellow or red light.

Subject-expectancy effect cannot be ruled out either. Researchers desiring approval or recognition from a study sponsor are nothing new. Data can say what the hiring agency needs it to say.

In the end this is about elected officials going against the wishes of the public.$30000 spent at NMSU, and yet there are no courses in traffic engineering, therefore no experts.
SlaveToTheMasses

Albuquerque, NM

#2 Jan 10, 2012
As usual, journalistic integrity at its 'finest'. The preliminary results do not in fact prove that red-light cameras make people better drivers.

The preliminary study does not in fact 'prove' anything. It is simply a collection of statistics over a short time frame from a statistically small sample size of intersections.

As noted by the article itself (as usual the most salient points are buried at the end) and biglloyd there could indeed be other reasons for the reduction in rear-end collisions.

...and I can tell you from my anecdotal observations driver skill of my fellow Las Crucens has not seemed to go up at all. If anything it has gone down. The past couple months has shown me that not do only most Las Crucens not know how to drive in the snow, they don't know how to drive in the fog either.

What could be the city's solution? Oh I know...

More red light cameras.
orly

Franklin, MI

#3 Jan 11, 2012
some interesting points from watchdog
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/las-cruces-nm...
Cool Orb

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Jan 11, 2012
I read the study -- thanks, Sherry, for sending it out. It says conclusively that the red light cameras are ineffective.
I used to work for a corporation which had us do study after study until we came up with one with the right answers. Looks like the city's going for the same thing, and there's nothing we can do about it. The contract with RedFlex is not accessible, so no one knows how deeply we are in hock to them, and the strong-arm tactics used by this company are only available at thenewspaper.com , as far as I can see. So ... I expect the city to try to distract us with red herrings (the bike lanes, the Farmers' Market, Music in the Park) and the promise that yet another in-depth study (like the one completed not only at NMSU but at dozens of other places around the country) will prove the red light cameras work to do something other than take money from our own in the worst recession since 1929.
We were on the front page of thenewspaper.com Monday. This web site told the truth.
paul

Las Cruces, NM

#5 Jan 12, 2012
Yes I thought the article was one of the worst I've read in a while - the last paragraph refuted the whole article preceding it. Essentially the last paragraph indicated the statistics did not indicate any change whatsoever.

Anybody catch the story about Albuquergue shutting all thier cameras down?

We are going to pay dearly for this one.

They have cameras in Europe also, but they take a picture of the driver also, much more difficult to dispute.(at least they used to when I was over there.)
WATCH DOG1

Rio Rancho, NM

#6 Feb 12, 2012
As City after City and State after State shut down these Scams. Our Council continues to hold onto them. There are only two reasons possible. Ignorance or Crookedness. Or one last one,Stubbornness.
In any case they will disappear sooner or later. And perhaps these Council Members with them.
Watchdog1

Rio Rancho, NM

#7 Feb 13, 2012
Cool Orb wrote:
I read the study -- thanks, Sherry, for sending it out. It says conclusively that the red light cameras are ineffective.
I used to work for a corporation which had us do study after study until we came up with one with the right answers. Looks like the city's going for the same thing, and there's nothing we can do about it. The contract with RedFlex is not accessible, so no one knows how deeply we are in hock to them, and the strong-arm tactics used by this company are only available at thenewspaper.com , as far as I can see. So ... I expect the city to try to distract us with red herrings (the bike lanes, the Farmers' Market, Music in the Park) and the promise that yet another in-depth study (like the one completed not only at NMSU but at dozens of other places around the country) will prove the red light cameras work to do something other than take money from our own in the worst recession since 1929.
We were on the front page of thenewspaper.com Monday. This web site told the truth.
What is written above says it all. It shines the spotlight on the Mayor and Council's Integrity,Honesty,and Motives,as it continues to try and make this Scam seem right. It is one thing to make a mistake and another to continue to support a system that has been shown time after time across the Nation to be a Scam against the people.And Unconstitutional. The State of New Mexico deemed it Illegal,this should clue to the Council that they are doing the wrong thing by keeping this Scam running. Check www.thenewspaper.com
When all is said and done History will show our Present City Leaders were buffoons,or worse.
biglloyd

Franklin, MI

#8 Jun 21, 2012
www.thenewspaper.com/news/38/3824.asp

The New Jersey Department of Transportation (NJDOT) yesterday ordered a halt to red light camera ticketing in 21 cities. The agency became concerned drivers are being shortchanged and the law violated after learning that 63 of 85 photo ticketing intersections failed to meet legal requirements for yellow signal timing. The agency prohibited ticketing at these locations pending certification of each individual intersection's timing.

The Texas Transportation Institute concluded in 2004 that yellows shorter by a second than the ITE recommended amount generated a 110 percent jump in citations (view report). The vast majority of those extra violations happened within the first 0.25 seconds after the light turned red (see chart).

Ohio and Georgia have similarly tough statues, requiring one second be added to the yellow time of any intersection that has a red light camera. In Georgia, implementation of the law produced an immediate 80 percent reduction in violations, so much that the state's primary photo ticketing vendor, Lasercraft, was forced to sell its business.
Elsie YesSir

Las Cruces, NM

#9 Jun 28, 2012
Here is a simple and true statement: The red light cameras have increased the safety of driving in Las Cruces.
watchdog1

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Jun 29, 2012
Elsie YesSir wrote:
Here is a simple and true statement: The red light cameras have increased the safety of driving in Las Cruces.
Another "Shill" for Red Flex. Man it really gets tiring.
watchdog1

Albuquerque, NM

#13 Jul 1, 2012
Elsie YesSir wrote:
Here is a simple and true statement: The red light cameras have increased the safety of driving in Las Cruces.
After reading the Lead Article in the 6-29-12 Bulletin "CITY SEES GREEN IN RED LIGHT TRAFFIC CAMERAS" You can only conclude that the loss of Revenue in this Scam is the City Manager and the Councils main concern in this matter.
If Garza and the Councils REALLY wants Safety quit skirting the problems and fix them.

1: Most tickets are for speeding. Use the 85 percentile formula for setting Realistic speed limits.(This is figured on what the majority of the drivers are doing,and is the accepted right way) instead of the Arbitrary Speed Limit(which is a number pulled out of the air with NO premise for it). But it sure does bring in the dollars!

2: Do what has been proven all over the Country to stop the Red Light Problem. Add one second to the Yellow and you drop the Red Light problem by as much as 85% or more. Add to this Delayed Reds and there no longer is a problem at all.

3: Along with these two changes in some cases the engineering of the intersection are out dated and need to be updated and improved.

Yet Garza and the Council doggedly resist doing these things. The big question is WHY?
Remember this whole Scam was instituted on Safety not Money.
There is a good chance they CAN'T do these things because of the Contract with Red Flex won't let them make these changes. If the Contract and the loss of Money aren't the problem in implementing these PROVEN Solutions then what is. Try and get an answer,good luck? Then if you can't get direct answers you can draw you own conclusions why not.

Also this Scam won't pass Constitutional muster,if it could the Courts would except it and there would be no need to hide it under Civil Law. And the City could collect the fines with no problem
AGGIES08
Las Cruces, NM

Since: Oct 08

Albuquerque, NM

#14 Jul 1, 2012
The whole deal was implemented for MONEY not
safety.

The revenue came first - then safety was a
after thought.
IMNEVERWRONG

United States

#15 Jul 2, 2012
Elsie YesSir wrote:
Here is a simple and true statement: The red light cameras have increased the safety of driving in Las Cruces.
Agree 100 %. There are too many Mr. Haneys in Los Cruces to understand how effective these cameras can deter ones violating the law. I wish they were here.
dikchade

Bedford, MA

#16 Jul 27, 2012
The red light camera scam is for generating revenues and nothing more. Not one study has shown safer driving. This is as silly as the PD giving multitudes of tickets on Hwy70 after an accident. The truth is that none of these losers are willing to admit that all of the extra revenue is to ensure that their cops get plenty of over time. How many warnings have been issued over the past 2-3 yrs? Not many. These cops have quotas to meet. If you have out of state plates, you are an easy target, they know that no one is going to spend extra money to fight a 100 dollar ticket. I see people stopping on green lights now, obstructing traffic. Why? They don't want to donate money to the PD anymore. If anything, drivers are more distracted looking for cameras then paying attention to traffic. What these spineless politicians need to say is that they need more money and they need to raise taxes. Raise taxes by .5 percent and get rid of the scam. We all know that you idiots are only looking for money and could care less about safety. They are here to "serve and protect" and " to steal". Put out a public vote for these cameras, if 51 percent say they are making life better leave them, but if 51 percent say you are thieves, listen. Voting time is just around the corner. Vote out all of the losers supporting this scam. The split is 50 percent to the camera company, 25 percent to the state and 25 percent to the city. Guess who has friends at the camera company? Mr Miyagi? Council? PD? Make driving safe by setting a good example and not using thee emergency lights to get to Boda Donuts quickly. People need to start posting pix of cops breaking the law on this website. They are immune. Remember the movie by Clint Eastwood, High Plains Drifter? That is what we have.

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