N.H. House panel against gay marriage repeal

There are 20 comments on the Feb 10, 2010, Brattleboro Reformer story titled N.H. House panel against gay marriage repeal. In it, Brattleboro Reformer reports that:

A House committee that deadlocked a year ago over legalizing gay marriage voted Tuesday against repealing New Hampshire's five-week-old law allowing the unions.

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Moving In

Williston, VT

#1 Feb 10, 2010
What a sad thing, that people have become so confused about true marriage.
Party of No

Brattleboro, VT

#2 Feb 11, 2010
Scandalous - NH missed a chance to clearly take a stand on which Americans are legitimate and which are not. Hopefully in November the people will remember which party makes a clear distinction between good people and bad people, our people and their people. It's important for everyone to know which side they are on if this culture war is to be the defining theme of American politics.
Ego te absolvo

Elizabethtown, KY

#3 Feb 11, 2010
Moving In wrote:
What a sad thing, that people have become so confused about true marriage.
The media and State reps are probably not telling us the truth. It could be very likely that homosexuals are threatening, terrorizing and blackmailing people like they did in the 1980s, when threatening to infect the heterosexual population with AIDS, which they ultimately did. Soon again, Americans must wake to the reality to concepts such as conspiracy, treason and perversion.

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#4 Feb 11, 2010
It will die in the house, as it should. Go New Hampshire.
FAIR

Muscle Shoals, AL

#5 Feb 11, 2010
Ego te absolvo wrote:
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The media and State reps are probably not telling us the truth. It could be very likely that homosexuals are threatening, terrorizing and blackmailing people like they did in the 1980s, when threatening to infect the heterosexual population with AIDS, which they ultimately did. Soon again, Americans must wake to the reality to concepts such as conspiracy, treason and perversion.
RIGHT ON. I am still hearing that song, "O when the Muslims" come marching in,"O when the Muslims" come marching in/ "There will be" Drooping faces, when the Muslims, come marching in/
estanson

Bellows Falls, VT

#6 Feb 11, 2010
Ben Long wrote:
It will die in the house, as it should. Go New Hampshire.
from our past discussion ...while this is clearly not unbiased...its sure sounds scientific-like.

www.winst.org/family_marriage_and_democracy/W...

I would honestly like to hear your scientific critiques of this report especially the section begining on page 9 "well being of children".
the part about the variance in puberty beginning for young women based upon a biologocal father being present...
very inneresting, no?
sounds like a verifiable emprirical-type study to me.

Since: Apr 09

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#7 Feb 11, 2010
estanson wrote:
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from our past discussion ...while this is clearly not unbiased...its sure sounds scientific-like.
www.winst.org/family_marriage_and_democracy/W...
I would honestly like to hear your scientific critiques of this report especially the section begining on page 9 "well being of children".
the part about the variance in puberty beginning for young women based upon a biologocal father being present...
very inneresting, no?
sounds like a verifiable emprirical-type study to me.
I'm not going to waste my time. Thanks though.
estanson

Bellows Falls, VT

#8 Feb 11, 2010
Ben Long wrote:
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I'm not going to waste my time. Thanks though.
you have the time to write a 2 paragraph satire on cell phones in cars, but not to click the link and read 2 pages?

must be bliss...

Since: Apr 09

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#9 Feb 11, 2010
estanson wrote:
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you have the time to write a 2 paragraph satire on cell phones in cars, but not to click the link and read 2 pages?
must be bliss...
The paper is 38 pages. If I'm going to respond to it, I'm going to respond to the whole thing.

I'm done trying to change your mind.
estanson

Bellows Falls, VT

#10 Feb 11, 2010
Ben Long wrote:
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The paper is 38 pages. If I'm going to respond to it, I'm going to respond to the whole thing.
I'm done trying to change your mind.
I am answering your call for empirical study showing parents of both sexes, with biological connections to the child have physical effects and psychological advantages.

You know that the first 10 pages are fluff...
the 2 pages I highlighted are really all that is germane.
and I already admit it is not an unbiased source.

I do undertsand that once you have to admit that there is an advantage to biological links in families, the rest of your argument falls like a poorly built house of cards.

sounds like your also done with changing your mind, regardless of any study, or fact, or argument.
I guess thast fine, but then who is closed minded?
Party of No

Brattleboro, VT

#11 Feb 11, 2010
FAIR wrote:
<quoted text>RIGHT ON. I am still hearing that song, "O when the Muslims" come marching in,"O when the Muslims" come marching in/ "There will be" Drooping faces, when the Muslims, come marching in/
That's right, we have to hold steady against all the bad people - homos, muslims & other heathens, brown immigrants, and all the other riffraff. Either you're with us or you're against us, you're either just like us or you're the enemy. Enough of all this "diversity" and "tolerance" and getting along with others! We say NO! And you'll hear from us in November!

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#12 Feb 11, 2010
estanson wrote:
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I am answering your call for empirical study showing parents of both sexes, with biological connections to the child have physical effects and psychological advantages.
You know that the first 10 pages are fluff...
the 2 pages I highlighted are really all that is germane.
and I already admit it is not an unbiased source.
I do undertsand that once you have to admit that there is an advantage to biological links in families, the rest of your argument falls like a poorly built house of cards.
sounds like your also done with changing your mind, regardless of any study, or fact, or argument.
I guess thast fine, but then who is closed minded?
I read the whole thing. I would have no problem responding to it. I'm choosing not to, just as you chose not to respond to the study I posted - which was not from a biased source.
estanson

Bellows Falls, VT

#13 Feb 11, 2010
Ben Long wrote:
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I read the whole thing. I would have no problem responding to it. I'm choosing not to, just as you chose not to respond to the study I posted - which was not from a biased source.
While I recall opening a link you sent me, i just don't rememeber the content. If you care to post it again i will give a look see again.

Also, my request is not in jest,(or a "sneak atatck") I have noticed from your other comments that you indeed have a scientific mind...
I would honestly like to hear your take.

I tried to find the actual study mentioned regarding puberty, but it was not easily available online....

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#14 Feb 11, 2010
estanson wrote:
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While I recall opening a link you sent me, i just don't rememeber the content. If you care to post it again i will give a look see again.
Also, my request is not in jest,(or a "sneak atatck") I have noticed from your other comments that you indeed have a scientific mind...
I would honestly like to hear your take.
I tried to find the actual study mentioned regarding puberty, but it was not easily available online....
It's in the other thread. You can go look for yourself.
estanson

Bellows Falls, VT

#15 Feb 12, 2010
Ben Long wrote:
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It's in the other thread. You can go look for yourself.
I couldnt find the link...
but while looking it occured to me that for someone who responded to me over 100 times...you sure ran out of gas once the links got involved...

love the "i have something to say but I wont tell you" approach...

Since: Apr 09

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#16 Feb 12, 2010
estanson wrote:
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I couldnt find the link...
but while looking it occured to me that for someone who responded to me over 100 times...you sure ran out of gas once the links got involved...
love the "i have something to say but I wont tell you" approach...
You've wasted enough of my time making me repeat myself to you because you're incapable of grasping even the simplest of concepts if they're inconsistent with your irrational values.

The Effects of Marriage, Civil Union, and Domestic Partnership Laws on the Health and Well-being of Children
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/con...

Technical Report: Coparent or Second-Parent Adoption by Same-Sex Parents
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/con...

Lesbian Mothers, Gay Fathers, and Their Children: A Review
http://journals.lww.com/jrnldbp/Abstract/2005...
(registration required)
estanson

Bellows Falls, VT

#17 Feb 12, 2010
Ben Long wrote:
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You've wasted enough of my time making me repeat myself to you because you're incapable of grasping even the simplest of concepts if they're inconsistent with your irrational values.
Right back atcha!

First, i did not register for the third link...

the other two use as a major foundation that the children at issue were born to the
lesbian in a prior heterosexual relationship, then go on to say how the stability of a
married home is better than a divorced home so the child is better in a lesbian
relationship home than in a divorced mother only home.

The critique in the material I linked that the studies rely on the
gay parent reporting seems to apply and make this suspect.

Also, the degree these "reports" come of as legal analysis and not medical study
is also concerning...given who produced the report.

In essense, these reports only indicate that a stable home with any
relationship is better then a single parent with angst at their ex-spouse...
groundbreaking...

the next bootstrapping argument is that gay parents are better since their
children are more accepting of the gay lifestyle! classic!

A lot of these 2 reports also seems to indicate that a lesbian mother is
very much the same as a straight mother...
again groundbreaking...
what is not discussed, the absence of a father...
these reports ASSUME THE PRESENCE of a father (the prior heterosexual relation)
he is just outside the family home...

in short...these two reports are total bunk. They do not back up anything
you have suggested.

Since: Apr 09

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#18 Feb 12, 2010
estanson wrote:
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in short...these two reports are total bunk. They do not back up anything
you have suggested.
Yawn.
estanson

Bellows Falls, VT

#19 Feb 12, 2010
Ben Long wrote:
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Yawn.
its funny to me that you were so tenacious when we were just spouting talking points...yet are so bored now that we are discussing "studies" and "reports"

I guess facts are getting in the way of a great debate...

Since: Apr 09

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#20 Feb 12, 2010
estanson wrote:
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its funny to me that you were so tenacious when we were just spouting talking points...yet are so bored now that we are discussing "studies" and "reports"
I guess facts are getting in the way of a great debate...
Yep - you got me. I can't possibly debate with a great mind like yours.

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