Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
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1: Marriage is not a "right", it's a benefit society gives to a certain class of people.
I'll take the Supreme Court's opinion over yours. And we also have the right to equal protection under the law.
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2: Society gives the benefits of marriage to heterosexual couples because long experience shows that marriage of heterosexual couples carries a great number of benefits to society (for example: it civilizes men, making them more productive, and less foolhardy (and therefore less destructive)(see lowered car insurance rates for young males who marry)).
3: There is no evidence that homosexual marriage provides similar benefits to society.

4: Following the age old principle that intelligent agreements give benefits to both sides, it is therefore not in society's interest to give homosexual couples benefits that they haven't "earned".
Marriage is a contract. It's a contract between the people getting married. It's also a contract between, that couple. and the State. Valid contracts require that both sides get benefits. What is the benefit to society of giving a marriage contract to homosexual couples?
Until that's answered, there's no rational reason to give homosexual couples such a contract.
Write this down, Bigfoot: equal rights.

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You should have been smothered, too bad that your mother was incompetent at that, too...
Your face makes it look like you *were* smothered, Bigfoot.
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I'm not like some of the others in here, you can admit a mistake without me crowing about it, I was just asking... Although I jump rather quickly on some...Those who have shown a propensity for the same behavior...

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Your face makes it look like you *were* smothered, Bigfoot.
with a pizza.....roflmao, sorry, I couldn't resist.
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with a pizza.....roflmao, sorry, I couldn't resist.
Was that one of Rose_NoHo's more "intelligent and insightful" posts?
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An armed society is a polite society, so says us all.

God bless America and pass the ammunition down the ranks!

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You keep repeating unfounded rubbish about forced same sex marriages in prison with out one shred of supporting evidence that they would actually happen. Once again, give us some supporting argument that they'd actually occur. Kindly refrain from using your usual methods (bumper sticker slogans).
There's plenty of evidence of same sex marriage affecting our prisons:

In the rest of North America, even prison systems are beginning to recognize and accommodate gay marriages. Canada allows same-sex prisoners to wed while still incarcerated. Last October, two male inmates of a federal penitentiary in Quebec province married in the prison chapel. It was the third gay marriage to be performed in a federal prison in Canada since gay marriage was recognized on the national level in July 2005.15 Canada permits “private family visits” for a broad range of relatives including same-sex couples, but the visitor cannot be another prisoner.16 In Mexico, the National Human Rights Commission ruled in February 2007 that conjugal visits must be allowed to same-sex couples on the same terms and conditions as are extended to straight couples, and Mexico City’s jail had its first same-sex partner conjugal visit the following July.17

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/displayArticl...

If you believe penitentiaries should be places for penitence instead of honeymoon romps and forced same sex marriage.
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youtube.com/watch... …… Geez! must have been error

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The litmus test is simply this: when same sex couples can marry, what do heterosexual couples lose? Really, how is your marriage any less valid?
That's why this is called marriage equality, because everyone wins and nobody loses.
I could easily argue your other points, bit there's really no reason to do so. Besides, it's going to happen anyway.
Just ask my Kimare.
This is why those closest to you ignore you;

On what basis is that the litmus test?

To equate gay couples to marriage, the first test is, "are they the same"? Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. Gay couples are a defective blunder of evolution.

Effect isn't even relevant or provable. Especially your assertion that there will only be good effects. It is already obvious that children will be used (deliberately deprived of one parent and one gender) to satisfy gay couple fruitation desolation.

Moreover, marriage becomes less valid because it dilutes a unique relationship to 'friendship' and a 'contract'. In other words, any relationship a lawyer can contrive.

You are soooo embarrassing. It is stupidity like yours that caused me to salt and pepper my eggs and you this morning. I hope you are happy.

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KiMare wrote:
This is why those closest to you ignore you;
On what basis is that the litmus test?
To equate gay couples to marriage, the first test is, "are they the same"? Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. Gay couples are a defective blunder of evolution.
Effect isn't even relevant or provable. Especially your assertion that there will only be good effects. It is already obvious that children will be used (deliberately deprived of one parent and one gender) to satisfy gay couple fruitation desolation.
Moreover, marriage becomes less valid because it dilutes a unique relationship to 'friendship' and a 'contract'. In other words, any relationship a lawyer can contrive.
You are soooo embarrassing. It is stupidity like yours that caused me to salt and pepper my eggs and you this morning. I hope you are happy.
Snicker.
While I don't believe there's anything wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality, I agree with the view of same sex marriage. It's not constitutional, it was imposed on the US by a court so it's also undemocratic. Many gay and lesbian activists are on our side and prefer referendum and legislation to the left's imperialistic secularism.

Morality makes a great personal value, but we need to discuss these issues in public. I oppose shutting down civil discourse.

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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>There's plenty of evidence of same sex marriage affecting our prisons:
In the rest of North America, even prison systems are beginning to recognize and accommodate gay marriages. Canada allows same-sex prisoners to wed while still incarcerated..........
Brian, are you REALLY trying to argue that millions of law abiding gay people should never be able to marry, because you are afraid that criminals might marry?

How is that even remotely logical?

Why should ANY criminal's behavior dictate which basic civil rights that law abiding Americans can enjoy?

If you worry about prisoners, then work to ban all marriages while incarcerated. But it makes no sense to punish families and kids who have never broken the law, for the behaviors you fear from criminals.

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<quoted text>While I don't believe there's anything wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality, I agree with the view of same sex marriage. It's not constitutional, it was imposed on the US by a court so it's also undemocratic.......
We understand you firmly believe that, but there is no argument that marriage is deemed a basic civil and human right in our country.

When you wish to prevent a group from exercising a civil right, you must prove without a shadow of a doubt that their exercise of that right will harm themselves, others, and\or society.

There ARE no other arguments that are valid in these cases. Religious disapproval doesn't matter. Whether that group is liked or trusted doesn't matter.

We live in a free country, and sometimes that's messy. There will be people legally doing things that WE would never choose to do, and our disapproval alone is not a reason to changes laws to restrict other people's behavior.

There needs to be a concrete reason to do so.

And try as you might, you really can't find one here, and you know it. If you could, you wouldn't be grasping at straws.

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KiMare wrote:
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This is why those closest to you ignore you;
On what basis is that the litmus test?
To equate gay couples to marriage, the first test is, "are they the same"? Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. Gay couples are a defective blunder of evolution.
Effect isn't even relevant or provable. Especially your assertion that there will only be good effects. It is already obvious that children will be used (deliberately deprived of one parent and one gender) to satisfy gay couple fruitation desolation.
Moreover, marriage becomes less valid because it dilutes a unique relationship to 'friendship' and a 'contract'. In other words, any relationship a lawyer can contrive.
You are soooo embarrassing. It is stupidity like yours that caused me to salt and pepper my eggs and you this morning. I hope you are happy.
Snicker.
Is that any way to talk to your lesbian?

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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>There's plenty of evidence of same sex marriage affecting our prisons:
In the rest of North America, even prison systems are beginning to recognize and accommodate gay marriages. Canada allows same-sex prisoners to wed while still incarcerated. Last October, two male inmates of a federal penitentiary in Quebec province married in the prison chapel. It was the third gay marriage to be performed in a federal prison in Canada since gay marriage was recognized on the national level in July 2005.15 Canada permits “private family visits” for a broad range of relatives including same-sex couples, but the visitor cannot be another prisoner.16 In Mexico, the National Human Rights Commission ruled in February 2007 that conjugal visits must be allowed to same-sex couples on the same terms and conditions as are extended to straight couples, and Mexico City’s jail had its first same-sex partner conjugal visit the following July.17
https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/displayArticl...
If you believe penitentiaries should be places for penitence instead of honeymoon romps and forced same sex marriage.
You're on the wrong thread, Brian. This thread deals with FREE people who still have all of their FREEDOMS and RIGHTS. Clearly, you're very passionate about homosexuality behind bars (unless that's just a smoke-screen for something else). Go start a new thread; I'm sure you'll have thousands upon thousands of people who will participate.

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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>There's plenty of evidence of same sex marriage affecting our prisons:
In the rest of North America, even prison systems are beginning to recognize and accommodate gay marriages. Canada allows same-sex prisoners to wed while still incarcerated. Last October, two male inmates of a federal penitentiary in Quebec province married in the prison chapel. It was the third gay marriage to be performed in a federal prison in Canada since gay marriage was recognized on the national level in July 2005.15 Canada permits “private family visits” for a broad range of relatives including same-sex couples, but the visitor cannot be another prisoner.16 In Mexico, the National Human Rights Commission ruled in February 2007 that conjugal visits must be allowed to same-sex couples on the same terms and conditions as are extended to straight couples, and Mexico City’s jail had its first same-sex partner conjugal visit the following July.17
https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/displayArticl...
If you believe penitentiaries should be places for penitence instead of honeymoon romps and forced same sex marriage.
What you point out about isn't exactly a rash of forced gay marriages, is it Brian?

Give us the ample evidence for the FORCED ones you keep bleating on about.

THREE marriages in Candadian Federal clinks since July 2005! OMG there's an epidemic! Sound the alarm! The ship is goin' down!

Oh, BTW, which of those three were shotgun weddings?

Ya see Brian, this is why people say you're dumb. They're not insulting you, just pointing out a fact.

I think it is time for you to put down that forced same sex marriage trumpet and find a new one. It appears to be obstructed.
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Doubtful, since rape is a control issue, and prison is filled with dysfunctional people... Personally, I am leaning towards isolation cells for the duration of the term of any rapists...

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What you point out about isn't exactly a rash of forced gay marriages, is it Brian?
Give us the ample evidence for the FORCED ones you keep bleating on about.
THREE marriages in Candadian Federal clinks since July 2005! OMG there's an epidemic! Sound the alarm! The ship is goin' down!
Oh, BTW, which of those three were shotgun weddings?
Ya see Brian, this is why people say you're dumb. They're not insulting you, just pointing out a fact.
I think it is time for you to put down that forced same sex marriage trumpet and find a new one. It appears to be obstructed.
You should be happy at the opposition to gay marriage, look at them, the intellectual level they represent, how far into a barrel of total crap they have to scrape to try and come up with an argument against it.

This is why they have lost every case, this is why Prop 8 will be overturned. It is the quality ( or lack thereof ) of this opposing it, their immorality, their lack of any argument that makes this social change possible.
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Castration also cuts down on the hostility of a man.
That is if rapist in prison are castrated.
If same sex marriage in prison is legal, then some sexual frustration will be alleviated..

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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>While I don't believe there's anything wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality, I agree with the view of same sex marriage. It's not constitutional, it was imposed on the US by a court so it's also undemocratic. Many gay and lesbian activists are on our side and prefer referendum and legislation to the left's imperialistic secularism.
Morality makes a great personal value, but we need to discuss these issues in public. I oppose shutting down civil discourse.
This little tidbit caught my attention, "It's not constitutional". I fail to see how Marriage Equality is unconstitutional. Can you explain that? The only thing I see in your post that could be remotely related to that statement is when you say, "it was imposed on the US by a court". Now that may be true in some cases, but it was also voted into being by legislatures, and by the people (witness recent elections). All three vehicles mentioned are ENTIRELY Constitutional, as far as I know. Can you point out how any of them are unconstitutional? I really look forward to your answer. Thanks.
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The benefit to society of allowing gays to legally marry the person of their choice is that gay people will not have to marry straight people in order to receive the benefits of marriage.
As it is now many gay people do stay in the closet and marry straight people.

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