Board approves first segment of high-speed rail line

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Officials on Thursday approved a $4.3 billion proposal to build California's first segment of high-speed rail line that would run through the state's agricultural heart.
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Kelly m Bray

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The high speed rail line makes absolutely no economic sense. It will never be financially viable, nor will there be any useful environmental offsets. Not one penny should be spent on this.

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Only an avid supporter would find any meaningful benefit to this project so far. Moreover, the entire project needs secure support for the process to move ahead with this kind of action.
Slug and Sane Californios

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Dec 3, 2010
 
slug wrote:
Only an avid supporter would find any meaningful benefit to this project so far. Moreover, the entire project needs secure support for the process to move ahead with this kind of action.
"Officials on Thursday approved a $4.3 billion proposal to build California's first segment of high-speed rail line that would run through the state's agricultural heart."

"The seven members of the California High-Speed Rail Authority voted unanimously to approve staff engineers' recommendation after hearing dozens of comments from people who questioned the viability of the 65-mile route in the Central Valley. The segment would not be operable until the system expands."

Hello, Hans Van Winkle, 65 miles, for a 220 miles per hour bullet train? "The process used to come to this decision was deceptive and suspect at best, and may be violative of the law at worst," Rep. Dennis Cardoza said. "This is not a good day for California or this project." And WHO are these seven members of that "California High-Speed Rail Authority"?

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Daisy Nguyen wrote:
The sudden mention of Borden and Corcoran prompted critics to dub the project the "train to nowhere."
I disagree with that description. To be accurate, the project should be dubbed the "train from nowhere to nowhere." Wikipedia says the following about the burgeoning metropolis of Borden, California:
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Borden (formerly, Alabama Settlement and Arcola) is an unincorporated community in Madera County, California.

The first settlers came from Alabama in 1858, whence its original name. The name Arcola comes from the plantation in Alabama owned by one of the settlers. The current name was bestowed by the railroad for civic leader, Dr. James Borden. The Borden post office operated to 1873, closed for a time in 1896, and closed for good in 1907.
That's interesting but even more fascinating is Corcoran, an incorporated city with about 25,000 residents, many quite famous. However, only 50% will be using the high speed train to go to Borden or anywhere else. Here's why:
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Corcoran is a town in Kings County, California. It is part of the Hanford–Corcoran, Metropolitan Statistical Area. The population was 14,458 at the 2000 census. However, the California Department of Finance estimates that the population had grown to 25,692 as of January 1, 2010. Corcoran is most famous as the site of the California State Prison, Corcoran, home to a number of notable inmates such as Charles Manson, and Juan Corona. The California Substance Abuse Treatment Facility and State Prison, Corcoran is a separate facility that is also located in the city. As of September 2007, the two prisons held a combined total of 13,144 inmates. Inmates are counted as city residents by both the United States Census and the California Department of Finance. Thus, the incarcerated persons in the two prisons comprise approximately 50% of the total population of Corcoran.
Sounds like a bad idea.
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Dec 3, 2010
 
Some of our enlightened Califonrnia HSRA leaders:

Executive Staff
Carrie Pourvahidi
CHIEF DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
for Administration and Finance

Jeffrey M. Barker
DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
for Communications, Policy and Public Outreach

Dan Leavitt
DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
for Environmental Review and Planning
Slug and Sane Californios wrote:
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"Officials on Thursday approved a $4.3 billion proposal to build California's first segment of high-speed rail line that would run through the state's agricultural heart."
"The seven members of the California High-Speed Rail Authority voted unanimously to approve staff engineers' recommendation after hearing dozens of comments from people who questioned the viability of the 65-mile route in the Central Valley. The segment would not be operable until the system expands."
Hello, Hans Van Winkle, 65 miles, for a 220 miles per hour bullet train? "The process used to come to this decision was deceptive and suspect at best, and may be violative of the law at worst," Rep. Dennis Cardoza said. "This is not a good day for California or this project." And WHO are these seven members of that "California High-Speed Rail Authority"?
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Dec 3, 2010
 
Stanley Engel wrote:
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I disagree with that description. To be accurate, the project should be dubbed the "train from nowhere to nowhere." Wikipedia says the following about the burgeoning metropolis of Borden, California:<quoted text>
That's interesting but even more fascinating is Corcoran, an incorporated city with about 25,000 residents, many quite famous. However, only 50% will be using the high speed train to go to Borden or anywhere else. Here's why: <quoted text>
Sounds like a bad idea.
Hello, all that does not really matter, since we have an expert on board: Roelof van ArkRoelof van Ark...!

He was named "Chief Executive Officer of the California High-Speed Rail Authority" by the "Board of Directors," effective June 1, 2010. And this Mr. van Ark is a senior executive with more than 30 years experience as an engineer and manager for some of the world's leading transportation companies.

"He brings tremendous expertise and leadership to implement California's 800-mile high-speed rail system."

Mr. van Ark has been President at Alstom Transportation Inc. for the past five years. He previously served as President of "Aviation Security for Invision Technologies Inc."

Mr. van Ark spent more than 20 years as an executive, managing director, general manager, senior technical manager and senior project engineer for Siemens, "the manufacturers of the popular ICE high speed trains," working in Germany, South Africa and most recently in Sacramento, where he served as President and "Chief Executive Officer of Siemens Transportation Systems" from 1999 to 2002.

"Mr. van Ark holds a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering and an MBA from the University of the Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, South Africa." Yes, we know how to pick them.

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And SIEMENS said: "What if a train could help drive our economy?" Just what we need, more German efficiency and quality. "The best or nothing," said our other German friends [Daimler-Benz]. "That is what drives us."
To Slug and Stan Engel wrote:
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Hello, all that does not really matter, since we have an expert on board: Roelof van ArkRoelof van Ark...!
He was named "Chief Executive Officer of the California High-Speed Rail Authority" by the "Board of Directors," effective June 1, 2010. And this Mr. van Ark is a senior executive with more than 30 years experience as an engineer and manager for some of the world's leading transportation companies.
"He brings tremendous expertise and leadership to implement California's 800-mile high-speed rail system."
Mr. van Ark has been President at Alstom Transportation Inc. for the past five years. He previously served as President of "Aviation Security for Invision Technologies Inc."
Mr. van Ark spent more than 20 years as an executive, managing director, general manager, senior technical manager and senior project engineer for Siemens, "the manufacturers of the popular ICE high speed trains," working in Germany, South Africa and most recently in Sacramento, where he served as President and "Chief Executive Officer of Siemens Transportation Systems" from 1999 to 2002.
"Mr. van Ark holds a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering and an MBA from the University of the Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, South Africa." Yes, we know how to pick them.
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The train will create jobs for hundreds of thousands of Mexican workers who will migrate North for the jobs. Their paychecks will be sent home to Mexico so as not to benefit the economy here.

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Lon Rocke wrote:
The train will create jobs for hundreds of thousands of Mexican workers who will migrate North for the jobs. Their paychecks will be sent home to Mexico so as not to benefit the economy here.
The paychecks sent to Mexico will benefit the USA since family members will buy products that are made in America. Also, those checks will minimize criminal activity that may be directed against US citizens and corporations. Like it or not, the economies of the US and Mexico are inseparable.
To Native Californians wrote:
And SIEMENS said: "What if a train could help drive our economy?" Just what we need, more German efficiency and quality. "The best or nothing," said our other German friends [Daimler-Benz]. "That is what drives us."
Yeah? Well, if those Siemens people are so smart how come the Siemens-designed Bangkok light rail system is so screwed up? The new airport extension goes to the airport but it doesn't go to anywhere accessible in Bangkok. The underground and skytrain ticketing systems are totally incompatible. Additionally, it's difficult to connect from the OH and UG systems.
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This rail is being built of the illegal farm workers, who are they tring to kid. What a joke

Since: Oct 08

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Well at least you won't need to have the TSA feeling your junk because it won't go anywhere. I think that this may be a plan to insure that more money does come. Because then they can cry we spent all this money on the theory that more money was coming and now it doesn't go anywhere.
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Cal Native wrote:
This rail is being built of the illegal farm workers, who are they tring to kid. What a joke
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger sent a letter to U.S. Secretary of Transportation Raymond LaHood requesting that other states’ unwanted federal contributions to high-speed rail systems be redirected to California.

November 16, 2010

The Honorable Raymond H. LaHood
Secretary of Transportation
1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE
Washington, DC 20590

Dear Mr. Secretary,

It is with a certain sense of astonishment that we note recent announcements from some of our gubernatorial colleagues that they are uninterested in federal contributions to their high-speed rail systems. You are more than welcome to redirect that money to California – where we know how to use it to generate hundreds of thousands of jobs and provide a clean, fast and low-cost way to travel.

In fact, we are proudly leading the nation in the planning and development of our high-speed rail system, with the strong support of our fellow Californians, the federal government and soon the private sector. If other states refuse your support, we would certainly welcome their shares – particularly as we continue to demonstrate how well those dollars will be spent in our great state.

In California, we have secured a total of $4.3 billion to begin construction on the core of our system. That includes a recent $715 million in federal funding, on top of previous economic stimulus funds and state and local matches. The California High-Speed Rail Authority Board is poised to select within a matter of weeks the location of the first section of the line. We are set to begin construction in 2012 and begin passenger service in 2020. In short, the progress, pace and precision of California’s project has been nothing short of remarkable.

Californians eagerly await a high-speed rail system and, with last year’s approval of major bond funding, they have done their part to make it happen. With a firm long-term commitment of federal funding, state matches that stretch your investment still further and the private funding such assurances will bring, we will be pleased to demonstrate to the rest of the nation the environmental and economic value of high-speed rail. As President Obama said,“There’s no reason why the world’s best infrastructure should lie beyond our borders.”

Sincerely,

Arnold Schwarzenegger
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Dec 8, 2010
 
How much of this proposed rail project be outsourced to china and others.
Lon Rocke

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Stanley Engel wrote:
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The paychecks sent to Mexico will benefit the USA since family members will buy products that are made in America. Also, those checks will minimize criminal activity that may be directed against US citizens and corporations.
This sounds as if it were lifted from an official State Department Bulletin.
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To Cal Native and Others wrote:
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Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger sent a letter to U.S. Secretary of Transportation Raymond LaHood requesting that other states’ unwanted federal contributions to high-speed rail systems be redirected to California.
November 16, 2010
The Honorable Raymond H. LaHood
Secretary of Transportation
1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE
Washington, DC 20590
Dear Mr. Secretary,
It is with a certain sense of astonishment that we note recent announcements from some of our gubernatorial colleagues that they are uninterested in federal contributions to their high-speed rail systems. You are more than welcome to redirect that money to California – where we know how to use it to generate hundreds of thousands of jobs and provide a clean, fast and low-cost way to travel.
In fact, we are proudly leading the nation in the planning and development of our high-speed rail system, with the strong support of our fellow Californians, the federal government and soon the private sector. If other states refuse your support, we would certainly welcome their shares – particularly as we continue to demonstrate how well those dollars will be spent in our great state.
In California, we have secured a total of $4.3 billion to begin construction on the core of our system. That includes a recent $715 million in federal funding, on top of previous economic stimulus funds and state and local matches. The California High-Speed Rail Authority Board is poised to select within a matter of weeks the location of the first section of the line. We are set to begin construction in 2012 and begin passenger service in 2020. In short, the progress, pace and precision of California’s project has been nothing short of remarkable.
Californians eagerly await a high-speed rail system and, with last year’s approval of major bond funding, they have done their part to make it happen. With a firm long-term commitment of federal funding, state matches that stretch your investment still further and the private funding such assurances will bring, we will be pleased to demonstrate to the rest of the nation the environmental and economic value of high-speed rail. As President Obama said,“There’s no reason why the world’s best infrastructure should lie beyond our borders.”
Sincerely,
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Use this money to build low maintenance prisons in desert areas first. What ever is left over use to build a new no entry proof border between the U.S. and Mexico, these are the most important issues right now

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Dec 20, 2010
 
Well I stand corrected. The money is coming because Republican govenors are turning away the funding from the Federal government which if you think we must cut back on the the deficit is wise but then why would you want to continue the largest tax reduction on the wealthiest and also give them a reduction on estate taxes and a number of smaller give aways from Obamanation. On the other hand they've cut the throats of the very businesses that would benefit from the faster transportation.

I think the Republicrats are going to have a hard time being on the right side of this mess. They all scream cut spending and yet not one federal $ of spending was cut on taxes reduced even with 3-5 wars either underway or in the immediate future they don't seem to think that there needs to be any value in paying for them but again the deficit just keeps going up.
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Dec 28, 2010
 
Where's Borden??....

It's nowhere...look it up

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