Wisconsin's Employment Felon Bill 260
Felon

Decatur, IL

#22 Aug 28, 2007
The Face of Hypocrisy.

Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho), a three-term senator, "pleaded guilty earlier this month to misdemeanor disorderly conduct charges stemming from his June arrest by an undercover police officer in a men's restroom at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport."

Wednesday, August 8, 2007
Young Republican National Federation President under investigation for sexual assault on sleeping man. Glenn Murphy Jr., chairman of the Clark County Republican Party and president elect of the Young Republican National Federation resigned after news leaked that he is under investigation by the the Clark County Sheriff’s Department for "criminal deviate conduct," a felony. Basically, he is accused of giving a blowjob to a sleeping man who woke up and did not approve of what was taking place. Mr. Murphy insists the blowjob that he provided to the unnamed man was "consensual."

In the House, Mark Foley was one of the foremost opponents of child pornography. Foley had served as chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children. He introduced a bill, coined the "Child Modeling Exploitation prevention Act of 2002" to outlaw web sites featuring sexually suggestive images of preteen children, saying that “these websites are nothing more than a fix for pedophiles.”

On October 3, 2003 the National Enquirer reported that Rush Limbaugh was being investigated for illegally obtaining the prescription drugs OxyContin and hydrocodone. Other news outlets quickly confirmed the investigation.

And now we come to Wisconsin's Employment Felon Bill 260. A bill which literally promotes crime by banning felons from the workplace. Seriously, these are the same Bible thumpers who are always pushing Jesus, forgiveness and all that old redemption rot. Honestly, how can one possibly take them seriously when they preach Christianity on Sunday but on Monday morning they are passing laws which force people into poverty, homelessness, or back into a life of crime.

Is there an end to all of this hypocrisy ? Maybe in 08'!!
Steven

Racine, WI

#23 Aug 29, 2007
Felon wrote:
The Face of Hypocrisy.
Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho), a three-term senator, "pleaded guilty earlier this month to misdemeanor disorderly conduct charges stemming from his June arrest by an undercover police officer in a men's restroom at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport."
Wednesday, August 8, 2007
Young Republican National Federation President under investigation for sexual assault on sleeping man. Glenn Murphy Jr., chairman of the Clark County Republican Party and president elect of the Young Republican National Federation resigned after news leaked that he is under investigation by the the Clark County Sheriff’s Department for "criminal deviate conduct," a felony. Basically, he is accused of giving a blowjob to a sleeping man who woke up and did not approve of what was taking place. Mr. Murphy insists the blowjob that he provided to the unnamed man was "consensual."
In the House, Mark Foley was one of the foremost opponents of child pornography. Foley had served as chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children. He introduced a bill, coined the "Child Modeling Exploitation prevention Act of 2002" to outlaw web sites featuring sexually suggestive images of preteen children, saying that “these websites are nothing more than a fix for pedophiles.”
On October 3, 2003 the National Enquirer reported that Rush Limbaugh was being investigated for illegally obtaining the prescription drugs OxyContin and hydrocodone. Other news outlets quickly confirmed the investigation.
And now we come to Wisconsin's Employment Felon Bill 260. A bill which literally promotes crime by banning felons from the workplace. Seriously, these are the same Bible thumpers who are always pushing Jesus, forgiveness and all that old redemption rot. Honestly, how can one possibly take them seriously when they preach Christianity on Sunday but on Monday morning they are passing laws which force people into poverty, homelessness, or back into a life of crime.
Is there an end to all of this hypocrisy ? Maybe in 08'!!
Do you really think a bunch of rich, corporate-connected democrats will give a rip about you either? The Dems are just as bad as the Reps - it is time to clean house.

“I am what I carry.”

Since: Apr 07

Milwaukee

#24 Aug 29, 2007
Steven wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you really think a bunch of rich, corporate-connected democrats will give a rip about you either? The Dems are just as bad as the Reps - it is time to clean house.
Time for some straight talk. I've been listening to your inane drivel long enough, describing we Dems as disconnected and self serving. You should be careful which specie you're talking about, because our American political tradition is more accurately described in terms of groups by shade of social and economic imperative more diverse and nuanced than in found in plain Republican, Democrat, or Independent chatter. The only thing I think you got right so far is perhaps a thin allusion to so-called liberal elites. Yeah, they're out there. Hillary Clinton is a text book example. She is as disconnected as they come from the needs of ordinary Americans, having sold her soul to the health care industry for hundreds of thousands of lobbist's money, even touting the virtue of lobbists, expressing disengeniously how much like ordinary people they are. No matter, she merely represents the elitism of politicians, both conservative and liberal. But as for Democrats in general, there are DNC liberals, which represent the center left, Traditional liberals, of which today's remanent is argueably the infamous "Southern Democrat," Neoliberals, Neoconservatives (found in Republican camps as well), and Progressives (also among the--and better grounded in--the Green Party). I am chiefly interested in Progressive liberals. They represent most of the things that make Republicans shutter: fair trade policy, pro consumer laws, fair labor laws, including the right to organize unions, sensible energy policies that don't spell doom for the environment, affordable housing, higher education, and universal healthcare, and meaningful campaign finance reform that doesn't subvert our already corrupted Republic. You can go on mischaracterizing Dems as feeblemindedly as you want, but your party shall never, nor can ever, address these problems effectively, though your kind lie to independant voters whenever they tell them they can. The Reverend Al Sharpton, whom I'm not particularly fond of, but nevertheless admire for his keen wit, addressed the Democratic party's problem very pointedly. He said we merely send delegates to these issues, instead of making them our core set of values. Republicans know what they want better than Democrats do, but that doesn't make them correct. If Democrats can ever manage to solidify their values and make themselves known by them, they shall be unstoppable.
Steven

United States

#25 Aug 30, 2007
geno wrote:
<quoted text>
Time for some straight talk. I've been listening to your inane drivel long enough, describing we Dems as disconnected and self serving. You should be careful which specie you're talking about, because our American political tradition is more accurately described in terms of groups by shade of social and economic imperative more diverse and nuanced than in found in plain Republican, Democrat, or Independent chatter. The only thing I think you got right so far is perhaps a thin allusion to so-called liberal elites. Yeah, they're out there. Hillary Clinton is a text book example. She is as disconnected as they come from the needs of ordinary Americans, having sold her soul to the health care industry for hundreds of thousands of lobbist's money, even touting the virtue of lobbists, expressing disengeniously how much like ordinary people they are. No matter, she merely represents the elitism of politicians, both conservative and liberal. But as for Democrats in general, there are DNC liberals, which represent the center left, Traditional liberals, of which today's remanent is argueably the infamous "Southern Democrat," Neoliberals, Neoconservatives (found in Republican camps as well), and Progressives (also among the--and better grounded in--the Green Party). I am chiefly interested in Progressive liberals. They represent most of the things that make Republicans shutter: fair trade policy, pro consumer laws, fair labor laws, including the right to organize unions, sensible energy policies that don't spell doom for the environment, affordable housing, higher education, and universal healthcare, and meaningful campaign finance reform that doesn't subvert our already corrupted Republic. You can go on mischaracterizing Dems as feeblemindedly as you want, but your party shall never, nor can ever, address these problems effectively, though your kind lie to independant voters whenever they tell them they can. The Reverend Al Sharpton, whom I'm not particularly fond of, but nevertheless admire for his keen wit, addressed the Democratic party's problem very pointedly. He said we merely send delegates to these issues, instead of making them our core set of values. Republicans know what they want better than Democrats do, but that doesn't make them correct. If Democrats can ever manage to solidify their values and make themselves known by them, they shall be unstoppable.
First of all, I dont give a rip if you think what I say is inane drivel - I was talking to Felon. GO back to whatever elitist forum you were talking in ... Talking points dont make you superior ...

“I am what I carry.”

Since: Apr 07

Milwaukee

#26 Aug 30, 2007
Ha, ha...Excuse me, but I STARTED this thread Buddy.
Felon

Decatur, IL

#27 Aug 30, 2007
Both the Dems and the Republicans are completely detatched from what America is all about.

They are like foreigners in their own country. They have gone so far up the ladder that they become ignorant of their previous world, the world where the rest of us are still living.

So, I'll agree that nobody in politics is worth a shlt, but if someone comes along and tells me that he is going to pass a law that makes it even more impossible for me to even survive - he will not get my vote.

It is already quite impossible to find a job regardless of qualifications and they want to make it tougher. That plan is absurd, and it's the best that they can come up with. They are idiots.

These policies are very "Katrina like". They think that they can solve problems by ignoring them, and that it does not matter if Americans lives are turning to shlt. These policies drove the crime wave of the 80's and 90's, and the idiot/liar/sellout/thieves are so bullheaded they will just keep on pushing it. They are merchants of hate.

Their presence in government has absolutely nothing to do with justice, law, fairness, comprimise, problem solving or any of those lofty ideals. It is all about money and power, and they'd wipe their azzes with the flag just as sooner'n spittin on it - you betch'ya.

“I am what I carry.”

Since: Apr 07

Milwaukee

#28 Aug 31, 2007
Nobody in Congress gives a damn? I disagree. The problem isn't government, it's the American people. They is no solidarity among them. Look how powerful the Christian Right is. It's a 70 million-strong voting block capable of defeating all the measures I mentioned earlier by simply voting in morally fit, but socially and fiscally wrong congressmen and presidents. What this country needs right now is informed solidarity and to resist the temptation to obstruct minorities and certian liberties, the contrary to which is the only thing on the far right's agenda.
Felon

Decatur, IL

#29 Aug 31, 2007
I see no end to the left-right tug-o-war. I really dont think that one will ever reign supreme over the other. They are two competing truths and I think that the perpetual yin-yang paradox will go on forever.

The only way to stop this madness is to take power away from both sides, and place that power directly into the hands of the people by requiring a good responsible citizenry to vote on literally EVERYTHING.

If a politician wants to drop his pants and take a krap, I should be able to VOTE on that!!

Everything that do, touch, or look at while they are clocked in - WE ARE PAYING FOR IT !!

But instead of humbly "answering" to their boss, typically they only LIE to us and frequently kick us in the teeth.

They are con artists. Salesmen with no original ideas. Lots of problems to solve, but who's got time for that when there's MONEY to be made.

Do not vote for anyone unless he/she promises to give YOU the power to make decisions by referendum. Tell everyone that you know that they should run on that platform. Demand it.

Anything less than this allows power to be concentrated by those who will then sell it to lobbyists.
Felon

Decatur, IL

#30 Aug 31, 2007
If you recall Enron, there were people who worked there and also invested their 401K in company stock. When the company went belly up they lost EVERYTHING. They made the mistake of placing all their eggs in one basket.

And we are making the same msitake by placing all of the political power in the hands of the rich. Not only do they have the raw power that goes with cold hard cash, but we then give them complete control of the political machinery and the result is an America which is crushed under the weight of ruthless Walmart-like corporate cartels.

There is ONLY one way to stop it. Give political power back to the populace. Vote on EVERYTHING.

If a politician wants to blow his nose I should be able to VOTE on that!! YOU BET !!!

Tell your friends and try to get someone to run for any office on that platform - he will get in - and then, gradually, all of government will be transformed into an HONEST process.
Felon

Decatur, IL

#31 Sep 1, 2007
This is a huge problem and everyone knows it.

And you cannot simply go around to employers and try to force them to hire ex-convicts without giving it a second thought either.

Felons must have jobs, but you cannot go around ordering employers to hire people blindly without any consideration of such issues either. Employers have rights just like anyone else.

So - what is the solution ? Where is the comprimise ? Is Employment Felon Bill 260 a workable comprimise to this problem ? I dont think so.

What's needed are industries which are deemed excon economic sectors with a rehabilitation aspect, instead of a prison industrial complex with it's freeworld counterpart - the mean street roulette wheel of crimal culture.

Forcing employers to hire just anybody is not a workable solution. But neither is employment deprivation for all ex-cons. There is a solution out there and people need to pursue it.
Fed Up

Beaver Dam, WI

#32 Sep 10, 2007
This bill is crazy. I think Wisconsin should back the heck off their criminal population and start worrying about rehabilitation and assistance with the criminals future that they put behind bars rather than condeming them.
The state of Wisconsin is already faced with a lawsuit by the ACLU for their wemon's prison system, that actually led up to a death where guards just sat there and watched a girl strangle herself to death and didn't open her cell door until 5 guards showed up. That is inhumane and on top of that the Department of Justice and the Assistant Attorney General of the US Wan J. Kim already has an investigation out on the treatment of the wemon in the wemon's prison system.
If they cannot get it together it's going to be a complete train wreck. Not only do they put the people in the corrections system on what is called the "Truth in Sentencing Act" and over sentence people on petty crimes to get supervision fees and whatever fines they see fit, all of this winds up costing tax payers money and funds for felons to get their lives put back together the way they should.
They need to work on legistation to clean up their truth in sentencing acts and make the laws fairer and create resources to help these people become productive rather than taunt them with more laws.
Felon

Decatur, IL

#33 Sep 15, 2007
It is not surprising to hear of state employees being entertained by such suicides. More distressing is the fact that so many people continue to die in police custody and the deaths are always ruled "accidental". The number of such deaths, and the lack of prosecutions certainly makes the State one of the most prolific serial murderers in the history of this country.

But on the subject of employment, do a Google search on "cop gone wild" for the video of the cop who is harassing the young man in Missouri. The cop threatens him "I'll wreck your career". Clearly, the police have been cought on videotape threatening to destroy this man's ability to get a paycheck, and for no legitimate reason whatsoever.

This government is primarily interested in whipping it's own citizens by forcing them into poverty through deliberate policies which are STALINISTIC by definition.

We invade other people's countries, we allow cops to murder people and they are not prosecuted, and our so-called "representatives" are more concerned with providing jobs to MEXICANS than working to improve our own country. This country is just one great big massive lie, the so called land of opportunity is really just a land where opportunity is a commodity and the State has given itself the right to DEPRIVE opportunity to anyone it pleases.

Yet the State is still the most prolific serial murderer in history. How about that irony ?

I recall a guy who died in police custody in Dane County, he was found in his cell with a t-shirt twisted into a rope and shoved down his throat. The death was ruled a "suicide".

And then there's Ernest Lacey murdered in the street by cops, Frank Jude, many many others, too many to count.
Felon

Decatur, IL

#34 Sep 15, 2007
There is a very subtle mistake which must be avoided in order to accurately understand this law.

It is possible to view this law as an expression of lawmakers representing business interests above the interests of ex-convicts. That is how they would justify it.

But it is also possible to to view this law as an act of social vandalism. An attempt to sabotage the sincere rehabilitative efforts of individuals who need jobs.

I think that it's important to avoid mistaking this law as the unfortunate consequence of one economic interest winning out over another. It is no accident. Rather, the true motives which are driving this legislation are social sadism, classism, and the ghosts of a racist belief system which is now surpressed but not quite gone.

I believe that the true motivation which is driving this legislation is a bitterness that people have. A deep anger. A sickness.

So I pray for the sick ones who are filled with hate, and I hope that one day they may become well.

Let us pray.
Nikki

AOL

#35 Oct 17, 2007
Well I do not think it is right. I was convicted of a felony when I was only 17 and 6 almost 7 years later I still cant get hired any where.
felon2

Milwaukee, WI

#36 Nov 8, 2007
IT SOUNDS EASY TO TELL SOMEONE TO WORK FOR FREE IN AMERICA WHEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE MONEY TO LIVE IN AMERICA. IT DONT MATTER HOW MANY VOLUNTEER JOBS HE DO,IT STILL DONT MEAN HE WILL SOON GET A PAYING JOB. I DID VOLUNTEER WORK FOR THE COUNTY HOSPITAL FOR SIX MONTHS HOPING THEY COULD HELP ME GET A REAL JOB, NOPE GUESS AGAIN THAT DIDNT HELP ME AT ALL IM STLL IN THE SAME SITUATION LOOKING FOR A WAY TO PAY THE NEXT BILL. I HAVE BEEN A CNA FOR SIX YEARS, AND IM IN COLLEGE 3RD SEMESTER RN. SO RIGHT NOW IM LOOKING FOR HELP IN GETTING MY RECORD ERASED SO IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING THAT WOULD HELP PLEASE TELL ME.
unemployedblackm an

Big Bend, WI

#37 Nov 20, 2007
Ive been unemployed for years,and Im not even a felon.I just live off of white women.
ray

Clements, MD

#38 Nov 26, 2007
Nikki wrote:
Well I do not think it is right. I was convicted of a felony when I was only 17 and 6 almost 7 years later I still cant get hired any where.
Nikki?? From Michigan?
Oustanding

Racine, WI

#39 Nov 26, 2007
geno wrote:
Ha, ha...Excuse me, but I STARTED this thread Buddy.
Oustanding!
rick

Leawood, KS

#40 Mar 27, 2008
geno wrote:
Nobody in Congress gives a damn? I disagree. The problem isn't government, it's the American people. They is no solidarity among them. Look how powerful the Christian Right is. It's a 70 million-strong voting block capable of defeating all the measures I mentioned earlier by simply voting in morally fit, but socially and fiscally wrong congressmen and presidents. What this country needs right now is informed solidarity and to resist the temptation to obstruct minorities and certian liberties, the contrary to which is the only thing on the far right's agenda.
How do you suggest we achieve this "solidarity." The Christian Right gains converts by teaching gospel principles of forgiveness and concern. "Sins" are forgiven, and forgotton. Then we help each other not to sin again. In principle. Unfortunately, just as in politics, in the Church, the scum floats to the top. As soon as a religious organization achieves a significant membership, the gospel principles are subverted as "leaders' pander to old membership and say and do whatever it takes to retain the position in the organization. That usually means picking on those nasty sinners. Humans don't seem to be able to follow any set of principles that involves kindness to each other as soon as they have any power, or feel it threatens them in any way to follow the principles. It's who we are. We want mercy; we feel we deserve mercy, but we don't like to extend it. What do you suggest we do to overcome that basic human flaw?
rick

Leawood, KS

#41 Mar 27, 2008
How do you suggest we achieve this "solidarity." The Christian Right gains converts by teaching gospel principles of forgiveness and concern. "Sins" are forgiven, and forgotton. Then we help each other not to sin again.. In principle. Unfortunately, just as in politics, in the church, the scum floats to the top. As soon as a religious organization achieves a significant membership, the gospel principles are subverted as "leaders" pander to old membership and say and do whatever it takes to retain the position in the organization. That usually means picking on those nasty sinners. Humans don't seem to be able to follow any set of principles that involves kindness to each other as soon as they have any power, or feel it threatens them in any way to follow the principles. It's who we are. We want mercy; we feel we deserve mercy; but we don't like to extend it. What do you suggest we do to overcome that basic human flaw?

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