Wisconsin's Employment Felon Bill 260
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“I am what I carry.”
Since: Apr 07
#1 May 10, 2007
They say to be careful what you ask for, because what you think you want may not be what you REALLY want. The bill that is going to the state Senate is a farce. Violent felons and sex offenders who did their time are, by any reasonable sense of the word, "finished," whether one agrees or not, and are lawfully affirmed as rehabilitated. That doesn't mean that some of them wont ever break the law again. Unfortunately, some will fail to'fit' back in society; blessedly, some shall succeed. The current Fair Employment Law, which levies fines against employers who purposely fire people with criminal records, is meant to relieve our over burdoned and expensive jail system by helping felons succeed in society. But Bill 260 shall blacken the good intention of the law by permitting employers to both refuse employement and to retroactively fire felons (regardless of a proven record). You may feel comfortable with the view that felons, rehabilitated or not, should be permenantly ostracized from society. But are you really? Consider what happens to the permenantly ostracized? Will they, having no recourse, lash back at society again?[Hardened criminals] are what society manufactures with draconian practices like Bill 260. But even more tragic, is the price new victims pay by the desperate criminally-unemployable. In essence, Bill 260 victimizes multiple parties in exchange for society's false sense of security. This is the ill-famed 'Scarlet Letter' effect echoing the myriad of social ills created when reactionary forces supercede prudence with puritanism. It shall be impossible for society to fair better under Bill 260, only worse.
#2 Jul 3, 2007
I feel second chances can accomplish a lot more than isolation. I work in a jail. I see how people keep them down. Yes, some will never chane given every opportunity but some made a mistake or are convicted o crimes they did not really do. Females fallin this category the most. They are charge wit their husband or boyfriends crimes.
#3 Jul 6, 2007
I think this is unnecessary, since it's so hard for someone convicted of a felon to get a job as it is now. There are a million reasons an employer can give for not hiring someone without really saying why (it's because you have a criminal record, duh!) and you'll be hard put to prove the real reason. If the criminal justice system only convicted a person as a felon for the most grevious crimes this might be something to be considered. But as it is, people with a wide, wide range of criminal activities and seriousness are being labeled this and having their lives ruined already. Beyond I believe what should be classified as a felony offense. Must this be expanded further? Give a person a chance! Only those who are the most hardened and habitual offenders should be outcast from society, the rest deserve to serve their time and learn from the mistake-not pay with their lives. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, you never know who might get cut by flying glass.
#4 Jul 30, 2007
Our society is quick to associate the word felon with murderer, rapist, burglar, etc; I used to do it too. Then I spent about 6 months Correctional Institution in 2001. The entire population held the same disdain for those convicted of sex offenses, thievery and murder (in that order) just like society “on the outside”. The majority of the other inmates were there for drug offenses or for violating probation stemming from drug offenses.
Felons are pigeonholed as violent, unimaginable offenders, similar to what we see on television and that's just not the case. I am not trying to minimize the seriousness of non-violent offenses; I take them very seriously. But there shouldn’t be an overall classification summarizing all felons of the same moral turpitude. It's serving a life sentence for presumably having poor moral character.
Like anyone else, I don’t want someone who has been convicted of embezzlement managing my 401(k) plan anymore than I would want a sex offender watching my children; but frankly, I wouldn’t care if a sex offender managed my 401(k).
After derailing early in college due to alcoholism and depression, I racked up two felony charges in 1997 and 2001, both drunk driving related. Finally getting my life back on track, I graduated from the University of Wisconsin with a BBA in Finance. In retrospect, maybe it wasn't the best degree choice, but I was always optimistic that my 3.7GPA and steady work experience would demonstrate my commitment and integrity to any potential employer. I couldn't have been more wrong.
Every professional tract I've sought has been quashed. Just a few examples....
-The NASD cites a statutory disqualification prohibits felons’ issuance of any series license.
-The Commissioner of Insurance prohibits the issuance of any Insurance licenses.
-The CFA Institute prohibits felons sitting for any exams, not to mention admission to their institute.
-Department of Regulation and Licensing prohibits felons’ obtaining a Debt Collectors Licenses.
-American Association of Actuaries professional code of conduct doesn't explicitly exclude felons, but their professional code of conduct alludes to the exclusion of felons.
These types of accreditations and certifications are commonplace and a natural succession for someone with a degree in Finance. These professional licensing requirements prohibiting felons circumvent The Fair Employment Act put in place to prevent the discrimination of felons by employers. Obviously, if someone is convicted of an offense relative to the proposed career, that is a concern, but I've found that all felons are excluded under the false pretenses that it will somehow bolster the integrity and code of these third party regulatory agencies and their respective professions. The recent accounting and back dating options scandals are evidence enough that despite efforts to filter ill-intentioned persons, you can not predict or prevent man's free will.
#5 Aug 9, 2007
I really dont know what they expect from people when they intentionally and systematically deny employment to millions of people who ar trying to abide by the law and live like normal law biding citizens.
I think that this law would constitute a ban on rehabilitation, and so I will be planning to return to prison.
Please post your suggestions as to how I can get back to prison so that I can get 3 hots and a cot.
Since I am now banned from living a clean life, clearly I am now being required by law to commit new crimes against others so that I can seek the shelter of the prison/welfare system for men.
Please post your recommendations - what crime should one commit to get back inside ?
This law would in fact affirm the governments firm intention to decrease the number of felons, even at the expense of increasing the anount of crime. This is pure social cleansing.
America is a country of cowards, afraid of rehabilitation as they cowar in thier gated communities. This law was authored by men with murder in thier hearts, murderous bloodthirsty social cleansing fascists.
That is what justice is like in America. A joke. And that is why this country will ALWAYS have a HUGE crime problem !! WWEEEEEeeeee!!!
Have a great day :)
#6 Aug 9, 2007
#7 Aug 9, 2007
I may be a freek - but you know I'm right.
These discriminatory practices have been used for many years. Has this country benefitted from it ?
Why then is the USA the murder, rape, and robbery capital of the Earth ?
So KluG - what is your suggestion for me ? I refuse to eat from garbage cans, I'll take my dinner in a cell if that's the only way I can get it - what do you suggest ?
How does one go about getting back inside ?
#8 Aug 13, 2007
you've shown us just how HARD it is for convicted felons to gain society's trust again. You sound more sarcastic and bitter than one who really wants to strike back at the system again. Have you thought about starting your working life at a non profit organization (i.e., Goodwill, Salvation Army, Government community volunteer work)? Do you have any skills, like carpentry? You could work for no pay for Habitat for Humanity. If you could manage to work for no pay for several months, you may be able to get references (a good 3) from your colleagues to use for paid employment somewhere else. That way you would show an employer who wants to take a chance on you that you are trustworthy and reliable. If I were a perspective employer looking at an applicant's work record with some unpaid volunteer work, I'd be impressed that a felon in good faith tried to fit in again and may even hire him/her over a more qualified applicant.
#9 Aug 13, 2007
Thanks for the encouragement Geno -
Actually, the proposed legislation is more sarcastic than anything I could ever dream up on my own.
Republicans are pushing these laws because they represent big business and nobody else. They dont seem to care about what will happen to communities when these folks with such seriosu problems become unemployed ann >SNAP<.
People who support these laws live in gated communities and they dont have to worry about going to sleep at night in a neighborhood where someone who just got fired is going TICK TICK TICK TICK .....and then one day they just SNAP.
Republicans criticize people for not having a work ethic, and then they pass laws which ban people from working.
Reminds me of Mark Foley - the self-appointed House Rep. who worked so hard to pass laws making it illegal to flirt with young people online, and then gets busted for it. Beautiful.
But this one is the absolute best :
Glenn Murphy, the former Young Republicans national chairman who resigned amid allegations he sexually assaulted another man.
Their institutionalized bigotry against gays is trumped only by their absolute backwardness with respect to crime prevention and getting people rehabilitated.
In my opinion, the Republicans want to see me out of a job and skinny like in Auschwitz. Period.
#10 Aug 13, 2007
I work on the East Side of Milwaukee at times and believe me Felon there are plenty of liberal Democrats that would look down at you and would NEVER allow you within 100 feet of their homes no matter how skilled you were. There are pig-headed morons on both sides of the political agenda ...
#11 Aug 14, 2007
This is true. And, before I snapped and became a felon I think that my outlook was pretty much the same. I considered them all scumbags.
But conservatives are the ones who are pushing for this law which is really a very mean spirited piece of legislation.
It does nothing to protect anyone, it is just plain mean.
But beyond the meanness inherent to this bill, what it says is that "If you've got a criminal record you might as well forget about ever living a normal life - ever. Dont even bother trying."
And that is exactly the message that I am getting from this bill.
Republicans want the power to fire me for no job related reason whatsoever, and repalce me with illegal labor, just because it is fun to kick me in the teeth.
I also happen to know that most people in the Republican base do not go along with such extreme laws. Most common people understand that these laws are one of the main reasons that crime has grown to be such a huge problem in the first place.
But Republican leadership does not really care what is good for America. All they want is the 'power' to take a selected subgroup of society and cut them off just like hurricane Katrina, and then laugh as they slowly starve to death. Today it is felons, tomorrow it will be blacks, gays, latinos, etc etc.
#12 Aug 14, 2007
The true strength of Democracy is the inherent problem solving which takes places during the process of majority rule, the result of which would neccesarily be a veritable paradise for man, a Heaven on Earth free of fear or want.
However, here in the US we are subjected to the laws which are imposed upon us by a scant minority of folks who have absolute power over all they we say and do.
Anyhow, it is clear that they are intent on destroying job opportunities for all felons as well as anyone else who gets in their way.
I look forward to the day that they outlaw my right to breathe the air. Perhaps they'll come for me in the middle of the night, drag me out into the street by my ankles and shoot me in the head in front of God and everybody.
God Bless America :)
#13 Aug 16, 2007
It's kind of hard to believe that there are people in Madison who spend their entire day trying to figure out new ways to exclude former inmates from employment, income, or a path to rehabilitation.
Yet, this is exactly what we find. Indeed there are many in Madison, mostly Republicans, who devote tremendous amounts of energy to this wicked cause.
Even after someone has served their full sentence imposed by the courts, this is still not enough for them. They are not yet satisfied.
That is why the idea that America is somehow the of "Land of Opportunity", that this is really just a big LIE. In truth, it is a land where there is absolutely no privacy whatsoever, and opportunities are strictly controlled by a network of white collar gangsters who award their pals with financial successes, and sabotage the efforts of their designated enemies.
This is why the Wisconsin chapter of the Republican Party is guilty of antitrust violations, and they should be sued in a class action.
People need to be able to compete fairly for an honest income under capitalism. When we play unfairly, they we are guilty of violating the principles embodied in antitrust laws.
Republicans are an embarrassment to this country. This legislation is something that you would expect from someone in Al Queda who is attempting to subvert criminal justice in the US. Instead, it comes from Republicans. And that is why I consider them terrorists.
#14 Aug 16, 2007
Republicans are "dictators of opportunity".
They feel that they can cleanse society by controlling financial success, and destroying their enemies by forcing them into poverty.
This is why %75 of Milwaukee is a ghetto.
These policies do not work. They are as much a failure as Eugenics was, Jim Crow, or even Nazism. The policy does not work. It creates MORE CRIME.
These policies did not work in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina, and it wont work in Wisconsin either.
Republicans will need to come up with a different LIE, this one does not work anymore.
#15 Aug 18, 2007
If Republicans want to ban something they should put a ban on releasing anyone from prison who does not have either a job offer in hand, or a business plan.
Instead, the morons want to ban felons from having jobs. They have got it bass-ackwadrs !
You cant fight crime by writing laws which ban people from pursuing an honest living.
There is a very long list of occupations that felons are banned from working, many, many different occupations. No thought goes into this stuff, if like being on a no-fly list. But instead it is a no-work list.
These discriminatory practices are now part of national heritage, having contributed to the formation of ghettos across the US, the rise of an enormous criminal underworld, a national murder rate which eclipses even the US mortality rates of soldiers in the Vietnam War, and a permanent prison population which is even larger than that of China.
That is what happened here. Crime was manufactured by bullheaded social policies based on bitterness and hate, and that stubbornness still exists today, as embodied in Wisconsin's Employment Felon Bill 260.
#16 Aug 21, 2007
I was not charged with a crime against my boyfriend or husband. I committed crimes to support my drug habit that I accuired after leaving an abusive boyfriend. i served over three years in the prison system, did 3 years max parole, paid 7,000 dollars in cash to get off paper and I think I paid my dues to society. Yet I am stuck with low paying jobs that don't do background checks. I am getting by, been sober for over 7 years no convictions, but still paying the price. We cannot persecute someone for the rest of their life for something dumb that we may have done, but it is being done everyday. I do my best to support my family on my low paying jobs that I can get. That's all I can do, and I do it without breaking the law, I am proud of that today.
#17 Aug 22, 2007
Did I lie on my application? I was discharged from a 75K a year job for falsification on my employment application. Yes I am a convicted felon. They stated that I did not diclose ALL of my convictions on the application. My last felony convictions was in 1991 & 1988. You be the judge?
•Have you been convicted of a Felony (includes a plea of no contest),under your current name or any other? YES
•Within the past seven years, have you been convicted of a misdemeanor which resulted in imprisonment (includes a plea of no contest), under your current name or any other? YES
If you answered yes to the two preceding questions indicate: Nature of Offense, date, Court, and Disposition.
Wisconsin 941.01-8/2006-Sheboygan County-Guilty
Wisconsin 943.20/943.14-Milwaukee County-Guilty-9/2000
#18 Aug 24, 2007
This country is suffering from a massive case of denial.
We are in denial because ghettos are manufactured by hateful corporate and political policies, but people dont want to believe this fact. They would prefer to explain the poverty of N.Side and S.Side in terms of the old racist beliefs of animalistic inferiority.
Getting tough on crime means getting tough on causes, and that means getting tough on poverty. The only way to get tough on poverty is to increase the amount of potential opportunities for people to succeed and earn a living the right way.
The people at the top know this, and they would prefer their own economic security over the added competition that would result from affording felons a fair shot in the workplace.
In other words, THEY ARE COWARDS.
I refuse to eat out of a garbage cans. If the State of Wisconsin is so stupid that they will pass a law that would put me out of a job, then it will cost the state $20,000 a year to keep me locked up where I can get 3 hots delivered to my concrete suite.
In other words, either I'm going to work for it and get it the honest way, or you can DELIVER it to my cell.
To those people who are pushing this law I will only say this. I sincerely hope that the sensation of power over others is sufficiently satisfying to justify the costs of these laws, as measured by the crime statistics which continue to indicate that the USA is one of the most violent and unsafe places on planet Earth. And whenever I hear a Republican talking about fixing the crime problem - I get a little chuckle. I really do.
#19 Aug 27, 2007
What Wisconsin needs is a law which requires the judiciary to consider the whole spectrum of punishment during the sentencing phase.
So, whatever sentence someone is to recieve, the judge should be required to consider the lifetime of "employment deprivation" as being an official component of punishment.
Therefore, instead of sending people to prison you can just set them free, knowing that they will be punished for the rest of their lives anyway. Prisons are obseleted by this law which seeks to execute former felons by financial strangulation.
#20 Aug 27, 2007
They are always telling people that 2 wrongs dont make a right.
This law is wrong.
All it does is thwart rehabilitation. Not only does it heap one wrong on top of another, but it prevents any chance of living a clean life. It is a wrong which literally illegalizes right. That is the Republican mindset.
An act of legislative terrorism.
We're not so different from North Korea in ways....not really. The only difference is that the political leadership in the US has completely sold out to business, and instead of trying to build a "workers paradise" they are trying to build a "paradise for employers". And much of the extremeism which communists are known for can also be found right here in this country - you dont have to look too hard to find it.
All you have to do is research the recent cases of Tasers being used to control small schoolchildren.
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