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The Fix: Obama might allow millions of illegal immigrants to stay. It would be a huge gamble.

There are 62 comments on the Washington Post story from Aug 5, 2014, titled The Fix: Obama might allow millions of illegal immigrants to stay. It would be a huge gamble.. In it, Washington Post reports that:

Demonstrators picket against the possible arrivals of undocumented migrants who may be processed at the Murrieta Border Patrol Station in Murrieta, Calif., on July 1. The White House is signaling that it could halt deportations for millions more illegal immigrants by the end of the summer -- a prospect that could throw a sizable wrench in the 2014 ... (more)

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Native American

Sun City, CA

#40 Aug 15, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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You crap continues! Welfare? No welfare goes to illegal! Enough with the lies! And all immigrants(Bolivian, Paraguayan, Haitian, Dominican, etc.) remit their money back home!!!. Immigrant have obligations with their families! What do you want them to do put their money in a bank? They can't open bank accounts! Put them in a mattress? They are victims of robberies. There are 11.7 million illegals in the US (40% can by plane and overstayed their visa) so that crap about whole neighborhoods are coming. STOP THE FCKING LIES! THIS IS NOT FOXNEWS OR THAT JEW CRAP!!!!
You are too amusing, CA and CO are issuing driver licenses to undocumented immigrants. Do you not read up on your current affairs. Last time I checked drivers licenses were a privilege not a right. Wic also does not require a social security card just proof of pregnancy and some type of household income. The average household headed by someone without a high school receives 46, 000. In benefits and pays about 11,000 or a little more in taxes . That results in a net deficit of over 35,000 which means tax payers make up that difference. Most illegals do not have a high school degree prob only 50 percent do. To legalize everyone would be a fiscal drain. Right now they should only be collecting a public education but they actually collect more, laws banning them from collecting means-tested benefits is not fully enforced. If legalized they will get all benefits . If we had an immigration policy that did not subsidize them then it would not be an issue.
Tribal

Sun City, CA

#43 Aug 15, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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Their world can be made better if the US and Europe stop the quota, tariffs, and requirements on their agriculture exports and stop subsidizing the domestic agro! Globalization, Walmart, China, and the damned quotas is dumping a bunch of poor agriculture people in Central America out of business and their survival taken away.
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The drug and weapons trafficking is not helping at all with the young. Salvatrucha is causing a mayhem in El Salvador.
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Read the history of US intervene in Latin America. And now the US is mingling with the Middle East (Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, etc.). The US is receiving refugees from Middle East and Eastern Africa.
You really think the US is the only govt to blame? So Central America holds no liability for themselves? You have to be kidding me it's politics as long as theirs another country willing to take the responsibility of these people those countries will never change. These people will continue to be submissive to their own corruption. How do you think civil rights were won here in America? Do you think a foreign country came in and helped?

And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.

My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man. JFK
Tribal

Sun City, CA

#45 Aug 15, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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Well if you don't read history, you are condemned to repeat it's rhymes!
When you took half of Mexico in 1848, you condemned Mexico to a lesser standard of living.
You split off Panama from Colombia. You took care of Batista (Cuba), Trujillo (Dominican Republic), Taylor (Grenada),Torrijos/Noriega (Panama), the Contras in Honduras, and then the Salvatrucha formation spun off your war against "communism" in El Salvador, Allende in Chile, Stroesnerr in Paraguay, etc.
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Civil rights were gained slowly and painful in 1865 and the black revolts of the 1960's lead to Johnson to sign in more civil rights in 1965 (Women emancipation occurred earlier). All that to wash out the "male only", "White only", and "British descendant only" out of the Constitution and local laws!
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There are consequences to actions. The US understands that really well but there are septic holes in the US population that turds the cohesiveness of the country. Illegal immigration is consequence of many things that includes history, global trading, global treaties, foreign policy, and domestic policies. There is no doubt that corruption and the oligarchy in Central America and the Caribbean continues with policies that keep the poor, poor and shuts down opportunities for the poor to become middle class. But the US embassies in those area are in cojuna with the Oligarchy and permitting them to fester their resources.
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But it is a universal law that if you put an economic superpower next to a poor region, you will get illegal immigration from the poor to the rich! At this point you are fighting an universal law. You can hamper it by completely sealing your poor border but you still get airplanes and ships dumping more and a border with Canada that is becoming the new immigration front!
Which is my point no other country fought for our civil rights we did that within ourselves. Poverty is universal everyone is dealing with a struggle. We have poverty here that needs to be addressed and you I both know that's not easy, we need to fix our resources here in America. We are 18 trillion in debt to grant amnesty would just continue the rise of our national debt. Not to mention natural resources that will be consumed with the growing population. 300,00 people died to abolish slavery why don't they require a better standard of life from their govt? Two wrongs don't make a right. You can't keep justifying their wrongs with the past. Openly admit they refuse to require anything from their own government, it's easier to run.
Tribal

Sun City, CA

#47 Aug 15, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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If you want to fix your poverty tell your government to explain the budget request shown below in billions of dollars. It have very little to do with illegal immigrants but to help the oligarchy continue their schemes in poor countries! There are many wrongs your government does so pick on the relevant one (illegal immigration has almost zero impact)
Department of Defense including Overseas Contingency Operations 526.6
Department of Health and Human Services including Medicare and Medicaid 78.3
Department of Education 71.2
Department of Veterans Affairs 63.5
Department of Housing and Urban Development 33.1
Department of State and Other International Programs 48.1
Department of Homeland Security 39.0
Department of Energy 28.4
Department of Justice 16.3
Department of Agriculture 21.5
National Aeronautics and Space Administration 17.7
National Intelligence Program 48.2
Department of Transportation 16.3
Department of the Treasury 12.9
Department of the Interior 11.7
Department of Labor 12.1
Social Security Administration 9.1
Department of Commerce 8.6
Army Corps of Engineers Civil Works 4.7
Environmental Protection Agency 8.2
National Science Foundation 7.6
Small Business Administration 0.8
Corporation for National and Community Service 1.1
Net interest 0
Disaster costs 6 0
Other spending 19.4
Total 1,235 billions
Which is my point we have problems here in America why keep adding to the problems. There are so many things to be addressed within our own govt trust me I know but amnesty is not going to help. War and poverty have been around since the Babylonian times so stop with the US being the only people to blame it's been going on for hundreds of years. American are protecting the future do their children and grandchildren.
Tribal

Sun City, CA

#48 Aug 15, 2014
For their children
Tribal

Sun City, CA

#49 Aug 15, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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If you want to fix your poverty tell your government to explain the budget request shown below in billions of dollars. It have very little to do with illegal immigrants but to help the oligarchy continue their schemes in poor countries! There are many wrongs your government does so pick on the relevant one (illegal immigration has almost zero impact)
Department of Defense including Overseas Contingency Operations 526.6
Department of Health and Human Services including Medicare and Medicaid 78.3
Department of Education 71.2
Department of Veterans Affairs 63.5
Department of Housing and Urban Development 33.1
Department of State and Other International Programs 48.1
Department of Homeland Security 39.0
Department of Energy 28.4
Department of Justice 16.3
Department of Agriculture 21.5
National Aeronautics and Space Administration 17.7
National Intelligence Program 48.2
Department of Transportation 16.3
Department of the Treasury 12.9
Department of the Interior 11.7
Department of Labor 12.1
Social Security Administration 9.1
Department of Commerce 8.6
Army Corps of Engineers Civil Works 4.7
Environmental Protection Agency 8.2
National Science Foundation 7.6
Small Business Administration 0.8
Corporation for National and Community Service 1.1
Net interest 0
Disaster costs 6 0
Other spending 19.4
Total 1,235 billions
I am a full blooded Native American, my people were nearly annihilate. If I keep reverting to the past how would I progress? They need to take responsibility for themselves. I don't expect a handout or things to be made easy for me. Don't get me wrong I embrace immigration, I love diversity. We need a solution but not one that gives in to millions of illegals. I don't think they are all criminals and yes they are good workers. Some illegals I have met have been the most humble and giving and saddens me to hear what they have gone through. I wish there was a way to make it better for them back home someway we could help, but in the art of war people only help when there's financial gain.
Tribal

Sun City, CA

#51 Aug 15, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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Nothing stay the same but if you do the same thing everytime and expecting a different outcome, is nonsense.
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Protecting the future? They can't even describe the present! This is the same kind of talk that was handed out when the Italian and Jews were coming over in the 1890 and 1900's. Even when they were bringing the western African slaves, Monroe warned of a different future (nonwhite future) if the US absorbs those 4 millions black slaves in the 1820's! 180 years later (2014), and there is still a divide (social, economical, and political) between white and black.
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All of you crying foul and destruction of the future is really an expression of hate more than a real threat! You don't even realize but New York City, since 2001, has accommodated around 21,000 people from Eastern Europe (mostly from Poland and Russia) and most of them are living in eastern Brooklyn NY (Sheephead Bay, Canarsie, Starret City, Brighton Beach, Howard Beach, and Coney Island). And not one in NYC is complaining that the Germans and the Eastern European are changing NYC.
We can't even describe the present? Are you kidding? Presently, we are still providing education for all through the tax payers dollars, real soon that won't even be something available to the public. We still provide resources to families in need. Right now there has been a decrease in spending when it comes to the American people and increase in need.

Like I've said your argument diverts back to history how do you even justify that? That era is different then today times have changed people have evolved. We have laws put in place. If I thought like you did I would never progress. I would constantly blame history for my problems today. My people for example weren't even citizens when this govt was established. Africans were citizens before my people. We were colonized and put on plots that were worthless you couldn't even grow veggies on. They made my grandparents go to boarding school and forced to learn their version of history and lose their language. We had to assimilate and follow laws. So sorry if I lack compassion for people from across border as you see it. Laws are laws and there's a border. Until nations stop being nations and everyone gives up their sovereign rights we have laws to follow. Every country does in some form or another.

Capitalism is big here we have no socialism here. As far as 21,000 immigrants that does not even compare to what is happening now. We predict by the end of 2014, 90,000 "child refugees" will cross that border. Not to add to the millions already here. Deferred action has been exercised by so many presidents in the past I would say we are pretty damn compassionate. We allow a million immigrants in per year.

Since: Apr 10

Las Vegas, NV

#52 Aug 15, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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Moral question:
How many children in the US (born to US nationals as well as naturalized) would be roaming around like possums if you cut EBT, Welfare, Section 8 or free K-8 education to them? 45 million are taking just EBT. 13 million are taking welfare.
Now your money (which really is not your) being taken by local,state, and Fed are going to infrastructure, Gov. workers salaries/pension, military, medical, etc. When minor (legal) receives subsidy that assistance is budget just for him or her and no two people can survive on that budget (usually spend on dairy products and clothing). That is the job of social workers to determine who qualifies and what they get. No illegal receives assistance budgeted to them. No illegal gets assistance directly. However, the children born in US soil does get assistance budget only to her or him only.
When the parents came to the US illegally to remit support to their children back home you also complained about that. Remember the 11.7 million estimated illegal in the US (since 2000) that you and your fat rear, sitting in a sofa defecating McDonald food paid by welfare, complained about? At least they do anything to support their families. You rely on the taxpayer to key in complaints that you have no idea what they are about. Poverty in the US is nearly middle class in Central America and the Caribbean!
"Remember the 11.7 million estimated illegal in the US (since 2000) that you and your fat rear, sitting in a sofa defecating McDonald food paid by welfare, complained about?"

The government uses the 11-12 million illegal aliens because they think the public will accept that number. I bet there's 12 million illegal aliens in California alone.

You have to have alot of nerve to live off another countries welfare system as Mexican Indians do.

"Poverty in the US is nearly middle class in Central America and the Caribbean!"

That's because these countries can't put together a society that works, and they never will.

Since: Apr 10

Las Vegas, NV

#53 Aug 15, 2014
Juan wrote:
Undocumented immigrants contribute alot to the U. S. economy. If we were allowed citizenship it would help pay off the national debt.
Is it paying off the national debt in their country? No, and they flee it. Just look at where these people come from and you'll see where they are going.

Since: Apr 10

Las Vegas, NV

#54 Aug 15, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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You hire them for landscaping, farm maintenance, meat processing, attending the elderly in retirement houses, attending the laundry and beds in motels, dishwashing/cooking in family owned restaurants, harvesting peach/broccoli/grapes, etc. So they provide labor value.
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And when the purchase any goods/services they pay sales taxes even when they remit money to their homeland, that remittance pay sale taxes. They pay taxes through the electric, gas, telephone and cable (and they also pay rent) bills! Since you hire them, it is your responsibility to withhold up to 27% of what you are going to pay them and send it to the IRS! That is your obligation as a temporary employer!
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They send remittances to their obligations. That is what every immigrant does in Europe, Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Argentina, and South Africa. A responsible adult never forgets. I am quite sure you'll do the same if your daughter is stuck surviving in Haiti!
It's against federal law for a illegal alien to work in the US.
Tribal

Sun City, CA

#60 Aug 16, 2014
betrayed wrote:
Native Americans have their nations and you were blasted by the Europeans. So now the Govt. completely subsidizes your tribal leftovers. If you think that the 10.7 million illegal or the 21,000 recent illegal are threatening the welfare of your reservations, you are severely and idiotically mistaken. The illegal does not need your compassion but they don't want your hate. You are good at confounding financial catastrophe, resources catastrophe, debt, policies failure with illegal immigrants. The far fetched extrapolation you and your kind are pulling only shows ignorance, idiocy, hate, and blinded frustration and failure to really retaliate to the real despair producer of this country: The Oligarchy!!!
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We aren't sovereign like the rest of society would like to believe. We live under federal and state laws. We actually subsidize the communities we live and will be subsidizing for the people crossing the border who feel a sense of entitlement. We see less and less every year and the govt sees more of it. Which is my point we have problems in our own backyard we don't need to pay more taxes and be concerned with problems across the border or for anywhere else for that matter. Life is what you make it my dear. Why do you live under this govt it sounds like you have a lot of resentment towards our country? Perhaps you should share your sentiments with the Central American goats and protest, be a part of the cause if you so compassionate towards it.
the Light

El Paso, TX

#62 Aug 16, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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Read government statistics before you defecate in this thread. No illegal alien receives Welfare, EBT, food stamps, section 8, Medicaid/medicare, social security, unemployment, pension or employer benefits unless someone is intentionally breaking the laws on their behalf.
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You never compared an economic superpower against third world countries!!! Third world countries societies are doing theirs with the limited resources they are handed with! In some cases, they experiment with different governmental systems to see if works better for them: Monarchy, parliaments, republic, dictatorship, Greek-style democracy, Communism, and hybrid economic systems that include capitalism-socialism. Right now, demand is outpacing supply. But things are getting worst due to the high expectations built on them by your culture. You are telling the world that your people (US) have vehicles, houses, boats, cell phones, computers, jewelries, fancy clothing, and they are all employed in good jobs. That puts pressure on the poor of other countries where they expect their governments to improve their lives to that level.
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Why not tell the truth to the world that you have poverty and that you have people who hate others (intolerance to gender, color, speech, and religion)?
You have obviously never been out of your state if you think Illegals do not get benefits. In a moral law abiding world they wouldnt but its not a law abiding world. Come down to Texas and see how the illegals live.

“Legals against Illegals!”

Since: Dec 11

Willing to stand and Fight!

#63 Aug 17, 2014
betrayed wrote:
First, a baby born here must wait until they are 18 yrs old to apply for his/her parents. The US has deported 400,000 illegal per year for the past 5 years and that include parents of children born here in the US! There is no legal mechanism by which an underage native born can stop an illegal adult from being deported unless an immigration judge rules against the deportation. The anchor argument is bullcrap!
Second, it is you who hire the illegal. And "your money" is not your money. About 30% is taken out by Fed, State, and Local for purposes not related to illegal aliens. And every time you purchase goods or services, you are paying business expenses, business taxes, business regulatory compliances, discretionary spending such as trips, political expenditures, etc. And even if you put your money in stocks or in a bank account that money is used and it deteriorates based on perceptions of the economy, world and greed-driven inflation. Your earning rate, as a salary worker, has remained steady thanks to globalization (I'm sure you love that) China, Vietnam, Philippines, South Korea, India, Mexico, Canada, Bangla Des, etc. The presence of illegal alien has had zero impact on the raising of your family. In fact, the illegal are likely the one cleaning the septic hole of your parents in the retirement house!
Once an illegal earns money (most of the time at a rate below market level), it is their responsibility to remit some of that money to the people they leave behind. IT IS CALL RESPONSIBILITY: THE OBLIGATION OF AN ADULT TO THEIR FAMILIES! It is universal. Every illegal does it from Argentina to Spain to UK to Zimbadwee!!!! And now you want to break their commitment?
The stuff that eats away your money is not the illegal alien, it is a two-headed monster (socialist government and greedy business people) and YOU DON'T TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BASICALLY YOU HATE THE PRESENCE OF ILLEGAL AND THAT YOUR ECONOMIC/BEHAVIORAL ARGUMENT IS FULL OF EXCREMENT JUST LIKE BTCH THAT BIRTHED YOU!
Your economic argument is flawed and your legal arguments stink like your breath. These fcking WAPP explain everything with hate!
The Federal Govt. spends 1.235 trillion dollars in the departments and commitments shown below. So if it money that you care about, the bulk , the "girth" of your money, taken from you, goes into paying the stuff below!! Very little to do with illegal aliens sustenance, apprehension, processing, and even deportation.
Department of Defense including Overseas Contingency Operations 526.6
Department of Health and Human Services including Medicare and Medicaid 78.3
Department of Education 71.2
Department of Veterans Affairs 63.5
Department of Housing and Urban Development 33.1
Department of State and Other International Programs 48.1
Department of Homeland Security 39.0
Department of Energy 28.4
Department of Justice 16.3
Department of Agriculture 21.5
National Aeronautics and Space Administration 17.7
National Intelligence Program 48.2
Department of Transportation 16.3
Department of the Treasury 12.9
Department of the Interior 11.7
Department of Labor 12.1
Social Security Administration 9.1
Department of Commerce 8.6
Army Corps of Engineers Civil Works 4.7
Environmental Protection Agency 8.2
National Science Foundation 7.6
Small Business Administration 0.8
Corporation for National and Community Service 1.1
Net interest 0
Disaster costs 6 0
Other spending 19.4
and a great many illegals get paid cash under the table and they also send a great part of it back to mexico instead of putting it back into the local economy! Then they manage to get benefits for all the anchor babiies they have. Either do it the legal way or get the hell out of America!!
Tribal

Sun City, CA

#64 Aug 17, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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Self criticism and aiming for a better place is not against any allegiance code! I don't like to sing kumbaya with FOXNEWS (Lies fabricator). By the way, about 37 % of the illegal can by airplane and about 9,000 flight stop by the US!
At the end of the day it's unlawful.
the Light

El Paso, TX

#67 Aug 17, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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I dare any as*hole in this thread to go and apply for Welfare, EBT, Food stamp or other benefits with fake papers! Or vote in a different community with fake papers! You will spend 48 hrs in prison or more after a shaft is rubbed inside your grosse intestine!
These people all have fake papers. Bank of America takes illegals without them though. How do you think millions voted for Obama?
Tribal

Sun City, CA

#68 Aug 17, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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It is unlawful but not priority in my mine. Debt, wars, poverty, GLOBALIZATION, Walmartizing the world, poking Russia, contamination of the air and water, violence, medical care, aging baby boomers, printing money or bubbles in the stock market or real estate or inflation or stagflation; all these things are higher priority to me! You turn a blind eye to any of them and mayhem!
Who's turning a blind eye? I can't control everything that happens in the world, however what I can support is not paying into more taxes and an overpoplulated country. why not choose to stop it NOW before I don't have a choice later?
Tribal

Sun City, CA

#71 Aug 19, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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On a density basis, the US is not overpopulated (India, Eastern China, Nigeria, Haiti, etc.). I can assure you that the debt and the current bubble the market is surfing will bring this country down faster, sooner, and almost irreversibly than anything else you may say. In fact, you concern is bologna, noise, vacuum, emptiness compared to the debt or the bursting of a financial bubble. 2008 was NOT A JOKE!
It will trust me we are heading in that direction like India, China etc.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#75 Aug 26, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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Learn this and learn it fast: No New Orleans school can issue a SS#. No principal and not definitely the school board! They will defer you to go to the Social Security office to get a number. That is not breaking the law. If is the Social Security Office who needs to provide a number.
Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Utah and other schools board do create their own fictitious for illegal BUT NOT LOUISIANA! Since you love Google, see how many illegal children attend New Orleans Public Schools! Good Luck!!
Who ever said a New Orleans school can issue a SS#? Who said I love Google? What I said is that thanks to SCOTUS it is illegal for any public school to deny admittance to a child who is not a citizen or legal resident of the United States of America. I also gave you all the information required to verify that fact. An American citizen may be required to provide a SS# to register for school but an illegal alien is exempt from that requirement just as they are exempt from many other requirements and laws that citizens must abide by.
There is no way to know how many illegal aliens attend school in Louisiana because they do not release that information so it would be a waste of time to search for it.
By the way what is a "fictitious for illegal"?
No wonder you support illegal immigration. Like most amnesty supporters you are obviously to ignorant to understand the negative effects of illegal immigration.

“Still an outsider”

Since: Jan 07

Dagus Mines, PA

#76 Aug 26, 2014
New Yorkers do you want to stop illegals and dead people from voting in New York? MUST SHOW ID TO VOTE.

**PLEASE SHARE** This is Frankie Russo's (WABC-77 Radio) SECOND ATTEMPT this year at a petition to require Voter ID in New York. The first one fizzled out before it reached one thousand signatures. This Change.org petition needs at least 750,000 signatures to reach its goal.
http://tinyurl.com/qexocux
the Light

El Paso, TX

#79 Aug 26, 2014
Govenor Jerry Brown of California welcomes all illegals to Ca. Please go there.

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