California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

[Johnny R Zamora]

I have a dope head of a baby mama frankie and I so disagree with approving the legalization of it. I am always concerned about my two daughters with her because sometimes she is doped up high & drunk off her ass. Although, she might say the kids are sleeping it's a concern. Therefore, I am 100% against this prop & I will vote NO

[Bruno24]

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>It was a rebuttal that posts the argument that all herbs are safe, therefore make pot legal. Thank you for backing me up.

Yes, I was backing you up on the idea that being an herb doesn't entail it to be safe. Nature is not something safe, mountains, snow, tempest, earthquake,... kill a lot.
Every year in my neighborhood more people dies by eating non edible mushrooms than the whole set of people eating the illegal magic mushrooms. But of course this does not constitute a reason to make anything in nature illegal. The very idea of making unsafe things illegal does not make sense at all. Prohibition of drugs is build on the fallacious idea that humans can protect humans against themselves, and not only that is nonsensical, but actually endangers all humans.
Let me sum up this in this double-ways:

1)Legalize cannabis because it is safer than basically most legal medications and most legal recreative drugs (like alcohol and tobacco).

2) Legalize the real dangerous drug, because the prohibition of them makes their consumption far more widespread and far more dangerous.

[4F Nugent]

Say didn't Ted Nugent use this stuff to get out of the military draft?

Ted Nugents best friends call him 4F-TED.

[RiccardoFire]

Bruno24 wrote:

<quoted text>
Yes, I was backing you up on the idea that being an herb doesn't entail it to be safe. Nature is not something safe, mountains, snow, tempest, earthquake,... kill a lot.
Every year in my neighborhood more people dies by eating non edible mushrooms than the whole set of people eating the illegal magic mushrooms. But of course this does not constitute a reason to make anything in nature illegal. The very idea of making unsafe things illegal does not make sense at all. Prohibition of drugs is build on the fallacious idea that humans can protect humans against themselves, and not only that is nonsensical, but actually endangers all humans.
Let me sum up this in this double-ways:
1)Legalize cannabis because it is safer than basically most legal medications and most legal recreative drugs (like alcohol and tobacco).
2) Legalize the real dangerous drug, because the prohibition of them makes their consumption far more widespread and far more dangerous.

I agree make pot legal, but not the dangerous drugs. You can't use psychology to make a hard dangerous drug legal. Too many people would die in that experiment.

[Tops]

Maybe if you ate more folic acid you wouldn't have autism problems?

[jamest]

Everyone must realize America as loss the war on drugs's what going on now is more young people are dying because they want a peice of the American pie.
in order to bring some kind of control back with drug dealing we must lealize all drugs we don't need more jails or cop's to patrol our streets lock up our kid who are drug user we must invest in reb to get people off those drug and train them and educate these people so they can feel good about themselve by having a job
America is now waisting billions of dollers fight a drug war that they can't win our street re fill with drugs the drug dealers make better drugs and what ned to be done is if you sell or manufactor any drugs you should do 30to 50years behind bars straight and can apppeal your sentance after 10years unless you were fostly arressted but the war on drugs is loss

[RiccardoFire]

jamest wrote:

Everyone must realize America as loss the war on drugs's what going on now is more young people are dying because they want a peice of the American pie.
in order to bring some kind of control back with drug dealing we must lealize all drugs we don't need more jails or cop's to patrol our streets lock up our kid who are drug user we must invest in reb to get people off those drug and train them and educate these people so they can feel good about themselve by having a job
America is now waisting billions of dollers fight a drug war that they can't win our street re fill with drugs the drug dealers make better drugs and what ned to be done is if you sell or manufactor any drugs you should do 30to 50years behind bars straight and can apppeal your sentance after 10years unless you were fostly arressted but the war on drugs is loss

There are a lot of things we are not winning, making them legal is not the answer. They have legal prostitution in Nevada, but still have street whores. If you make them legal, will they be free? Because it will still be cheaper to buy them on the streets, I don't think too many drug users are making big income.

[Pattie4s]

More like rabbit pellets and or droppings to me.

The out of towners post bull anyway.

[Bud Good]

We need to roll that legalization train into this here Florida Station.

[Bruno24]

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>I agree make pot legal, but not the dangerous drugs. You can't use psychology to make a hard dangerous drug legal. Too many people would die in that experiment.

In my country they have made heroin legal (unofficially, as an experiment). The result is that those using heroin realize, when buying it in pharmacy, that they were just sick, and their consumption tends to diminish. But also, there is no newer incoming to it, as it has become a real medication, and not an appealing street marginal product. The net result is a quasi disappearance of heroin.
At the opposite, in Russia, they have tried to eradicate heroin, literally. The result is that the heroin user have discovered a way to get similar effect, with common products accessible in all supermarket. They created krokodil(*), the drug which can "satisfy" the need of heroin, but which is far more addictive, and far most toxic, as you loose your skin, limbs, and eventually die in terrible suffering.
All experiences confirm that when you make a drug/medication illegal, it becomes quickly far more dangerous. And if you try to eradicate it, much worst will replace it.

(*) http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[Inspector]

Look another Republican gets away with MURDER.

A crane inspector will not be going to prison for fabricating inspections of New York City cranes including one that collapsed and killed seven people.

After serving hours of after work comminity probation his jackOLL will make a good bud inspector.

[More winnings]

A state appellate court February 13, 2013 Wednesday overturned an Orange County Superior Court judgment against a marijuana dispensary that had operated in Dana Point before it was shut down in 2011 along with other dispensaries the city said were operating illegally.

The city was awarded $2.68 million by Superior Court Judge David Chaffee in May 2011. The dispensary's former owner, Garrison Williams, took the case to the 4th District Court of Appeal, which ruled in his favor.

[rambo]

CitizenTopix wrote:

Proposition 19 would change California Law to Legalize Marijuana and Allow It to Be Regulated and Taxed:
- Allows people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use.
- Permits local governments to regulate and tax commercial production and sale of marijuana to people 21 years old or older.
- Prohibits people from possessing marijuana on school grounds, using it in public, smoking it while minors are present, or providing it to anyone under 21 years old.
- Maintains current prohibitions against driving while impaired.
How will you vote on November 2?

You people are ignorant.Your always doing something stupid, like this; leagalizing pot.

[RiccardoFire]

rambo wrote:

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You people are ignorant.Your always doing something stupid, like this; leagalizing pot.

Why should pot not be legal?

[Smackers]

February 2013:
The inland California continued to show the highest rates of foreclosure activity, while coastal California saw foreclosures decline.
With prices of goods still fluttering, home proices will do the same.

[Tim Truhart]

Speaking of fluttering, mincing, swishing, and limp wrists, you fellers ought to meet up with Riccardo El Faggo.

[RiccardoFire]

ThomasA wrote:

<quoted text>Even when made legal,you still can't drive or have it in your system if you have a job in a drug free workzone that does random surprise testing. A joint you smoked a week ago could get you fired Monday morning. Once fired,your DRD will follow you around on your next job hunt.

Do they check for alcohol or nicotine at a job in a drug free work zone? I have a card here in CA that I could use it for medical reasons, don't think a drug free work zone, what ever kind of job that is, could fire me unless I was using it during work. Pot is classified as medicine prescribed by a Doctor here in Cali. I used to work with a woman that would get so stressed out that I would encourage her to smoke a joint at lunch and she came back to work in a much more productive way.

[Asian Guy]

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>Do they check for alcohol or nicotine at a job in a drug free work zone? I have a card here in CA that I could use it for medical reasons, don't think a drug free work zone, what ever kind of job that is, could fire me unless I was using it during work. Pot is classified as medicine prescribed by a Doctor here in Cali. I used to work with a woman that would get so stressed out that I would encourage her to smoke a joint at lunch and she came back to work in a much more productive way.

more productive?

why don't you ask her to take some crystal meth or heroin? that would make her less stressed too.

but more productive?

taking alcohol would make her lessed stressed too. so does nicotine for a lot of people.

but do we allow smoking or excessive alcohol in the workplace?

[RiccardoFire]

Asian Guy wrote:

<quoted text>
more productive?
why don't you ask her to take some crystal meth or heroin? that would make her less stressed too.
but more productive?
taking alcohol would make her lessed stressed too. so does nicotine for a lot of people.
but do we allow smoking or excessive alcohol in the workplace?

For some people it helps, just telling what took place. Most people are free to smoke on breaks going outside of their work zone. We need to stop spending millions of dollars looking for the weed growing.

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