Air quality near new Subs in Menifee

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ceecee

Irvine, CA

#1 Aug 4, 2007
I am very concerned about the supposed "manure" smell that is permeating the air at Tierra Shores subdivision. I am beginnning to have respiratory problems, headaches and the smell, especially at night, is sickening. It has more of a chemical nature and doesn't really smell like manure. What can we as residents do? I have only lived in the subdivision 2 months and I am regretting it at this point because I am afraid of the effects this is having on my body and afraid that it will have a lasting effect on the children etc of this area. Shouldn't the "farm", if that is where it is truly coming from find another way to emit their chemicals into the air? If anyone else knows what to do please post here and let know.
Thank you
pete

United States

#2 Aug 5, 2007
call or write Jeff Stone your local board supervisor . she should have a the rules the county has in place for all the waste treatment sludge being spread all over your area . It has been a problem in this area for years . they spread it out all over the valley but they never grow anything on it afterwards . welcome to the valley .
Concerned in Murrieta

Redlands, CA

#3 Aug 6, 2007
here is the link to the Riv Co Sludge ordinace.
http://www.clerkoftheboard.co.riverside.ca.us...
DRE

Huntington Beach, CA

#4 Aug 6, 2007
Sounds like you're in some deep shit!
Pete

United States

#5 Aug 6, 2007
If you have noticed that they never grow anything after they spread out the human waste treatment bio-solids . no food for human food consumption can be grown on the land after spread upon .
also the land must lay fallow for three years before any construction on it as not to stir up all the heavy metal contaminates into the dust you breath .... its not the smell it's the dust that does the most harm . not that you breath so much but it all the dust that settles all over EVERYTHING you come in contact with . everything you eat , sleep and do while down wind from it . oh and no rain this year ... should get good an dusty . I bet your house was built on the same ... almost a guaranty it was !
I know farmers and farmers don't put that stuff on the land to grow crops ... opportunistic land profiteer's that don't live any where near hear allow this to happen to you and your family .. There is no regulating what exactly they are put down . They say they do but no one keeps track of what they put down or which fields they have put it on .
Concerned

Moreno Valley, CA

#7 Aug 7, 2007
The culprit is more than likely the dairy farm across the road from Tierra Shores. I used to drive these roads everyday in the evening, but I stopped when I was no longer able to drive within a mile of the dairy without gagging. Even with my windows rolled-up, the smell permeated so bad that it would still be in my car the next day and I always asked myself, "Who would buy a very expensive and very nice home here (Tierra Shores) with that smell 24/7?" The dairy was there long before any houses were in the planning stages and my understanding is that they do not have any immediate plans to sell/close. I would also research the sludge ideas though, because you never know.
Denny

Moreno Valley, CA

#8 Aug 8, 2007
Well golly geewhizzzz!!!!!!....what in the hell were you thinking when you drove into your little new gated community for the 1st time?? let's see.... dairy on one side chicken farm on another?? what did the sales people tell you? It'll only smell in certain times of the year,...or maybe they had a "poop fairy" that was gonna make it all go away? You OC transplants crack me up!!! If it's ALL that bad, PULEASE.....go back to the OC and take at least two other families with you. I've lived with it for 30 years....I'd much rather smell the animal crap than put up with ALL the crap YOU people have brought out here with you, ie: bad air, traffic congestion, night lights,crime,and all the rest of your trappings all so you could "live out in the country" I guess your not likeing the country living now?
ceecee

Irvine, CA

#9 Aug 8, 2007
For your information I am not from the OC and I am definitely now opposed to a dairy farm. My question was not about the manure if you would read. It was the chemical smell that is in the air. I grew up on a farm and the smell did not bother me. My concern is that their is a more chemical odor to it which burns the eyes and causes congestion. I only wanted information on what that was, not the smell itself. And, there was never an odor when we visited the community. It started a few weeks after we moved there. I love my home, I just want to be sure that what is in the air is not toxic. I thought it was a fair question. Geez, no wonder the world is such a nasty place. You people seem to react with such negative "bull" yourselves that I would think you wanted a war over something so innocent. Get a life and stop thinking everyone is out for blood or war. Sometimes people just want an answer to a simple question not a fight! Have a great NASTY life, you must be terribly happy with yourselves. Smile, it might actually make you a nicer person in the long run, but who knows, maybe being nasty and miserable is the only way you know how to live.
ceecee

Irvine, CA

#10 Aug 8, 2007
Sorry, I meant that I was NOT opposed to a dairy farm or chickens for that matter.
Grow up.
Transplant

Santa Monica, CA

#11 Aug 13, 2007
I've seen the people that have lived in this area for 30 years. Very suprised any of them could put together a sentence, let alone post it on a web page... "Shoot Martha, how could they afford a computer?" Everytime I see one I pray more OC transplants come this way, as I am one myself. OC transplants can't come quickly enough. I am going to skip the whole bathing and grooming aspect, and inoperable vehicles parked on the lawn (or dirt patch). Rather, think of all the tax dollars us transplants are bringing to the area. So... you may not be interested in the safer roads, or even paved roads, but maybe you can appreciate the professionals it brings to the area; doctors, dentists, physical therapist, educators... you know, the educated. Education. That's another thing the transplants are bringing to the area, new schools. Without us you're still holding impomtu classes in the neighbor's red barn with the chickens and cows. How can you thank us for all that we bring to area... MOVE!... to what ever part of the country is still accepting of hicks- CA is not the place for you anymore. Oh, and my two cents on the crime. I don't think the transplants with their fancy cars and new homes are committing the crimes, their just the cheese for the rats that have always lived here!

Since: Apr 07

United States

#12 Aug 14, 2007
Calif wrote:
dont waste your time , as long as the developers keep paying to build, they will just keep taking the money and laughing at your comments ....
You can say that again! They don't cares. If you bought the house--put up with it. You should have realized what you were getting into.
Denny

Silverado, CA

#13 Aug 17, 2007
Transplant:..... on YOUR subject of education…….in regards to our "impomtu classes in the neighbor's red barn"........ evidently YOU can NOT spell properly, that line should read,“impromptu class's" ( class's is plural for class, meaning "more than one).........as for "their just the cheese....." should be they're (they are ) just the cheese......" their, there, or they're?
Do not confuse these three words, as they have different meanings and spellings, and they function differently. Their is a pronominal adjective: Their [not They're or There] decisions have been made. There can be an adverb or a pronoun, e.g., Look over there [not their or they're] quickly.There [not They're or Their] are several unanswered questions. They’re is a contraction of "they are," as in They're [not There or Their] sitting in the front row.
If you'd be interested in attending one of our "Impromptu" beginning English class's, held in my red barn, let me know....I'll move out one of the donkeys so you can take his place. Be advised; DO NOT wash your car on class day! The red barn is on a dirt road!!
As to your 2 cents worth on “crime”…….. I attribute the rise in street crime out here to your bratty, latchkey, unsupervised children. If you were not spending the bulk of your day clogging up the 91 freeway back and forth to your menial jobs just so you can “live out in the country” with all us “hicks”, perhaps you could spend more time with the little snots. Is that commute REALLY worth it to all of you? How does it feel to live in a house with a bunch of strangers? I mean what do you spend, maybe 10 or 12 hours a week Monday thru Friday with them? SAD SAD SAD…… you REALLY should have stayed in the OC
Notavictim

Hermosa Beach, CA

#15 Aug 20, 2007
There is no doubt that the dairy farm or something in that area emits a horrible smell. Everyone suffering may not have signed on for that. I was out of state and working with an realtor, whom (silly me) I thought was looking out for me as a buyer. She steered me into buying a house in Tierra Shores and upon arriving in the area, would not even meet me there to show the property. The house was fine, but after experiencing that smell and the flies, I would not subject the health of my family to living under those circumstances. My would have been neighbor had to erect a tent in order to use the backyard. Note that I did not say enjoy the backyard.
ceecee wrote:
I am very concerned about the supposed "manure" smell that is permeating the air at Tierra Shores subdivision. I am beginnning to have respiratory problems, headaches and the smell, especially at night, is sickening. It has more of a chemical nature and doesn't really smell like manure. What can we as residents do? I have only lived in the subdivision 2 months and I am regretting it at this point because I am afraid of the effects this is having on my body and afraid that it will have a lasting effect on the children etc of this area. Shouldn't the "farm", if that is where it is truly coming from find another way to emit their chemicals into the air? If anyone else knows what to do please post here and let know.
Thank you
Notavictim

Hermosa Beach, CA

#16 Aug 20, 2007
There is no doubt that the dairy farm or something in that area emits a horrible smell. Everyone suffering may not have signed on for that. I was out of state and working with an realtor, whom (silly me) I thought was looking out for me as a buyer. She steered me into buying a house in Tierra Shores and upon arriving in the area, would not even meet me there to show the property. The house was fine, but after experiencing that smell and the flies, I would not subject the health of my family to living under those circumstances. My would have been neighbor had to erect a tent in order to use the backyard. Note that I did not say enjoy the backyard.
pete

United States

#17 Aug 21, 2007
P-U notavictim you really want us to believe that you bought a house without looking at it ????
and trusted an out of state realtor ? come on .
My only wish is that the fine community college up the street, would teach classes in common sense . Every one of you points the finger of blame at the dairy , a realtor .... anybody but themselves ... one one whom signed the dotted line when buying there new home .
Remember... Farming is everbodys bread and butter !
Transplant

Santa Monica, CA

#18 Aug 22, 2007
Bitter Denny,

Classes is the correct spelling for the plural use of the noun class, the meeting of a group of students for instruction. Class's would be the possessive spelling of class if I was referring to something belonging to the group of students in a class, i.e. The teacher had a hard time keeping the class's attention largely in part due to the smell of the cows in the neighboring red barn. "Their"... that was a mistype (but I could also attribute it to growing up in a similar "country" type town)... but if I was being graded for my work, it was an A+ for accuracy and content and an A- for Grammar.

Where is this "country" you talk about? Other than the new homes all I see are beaten down double-wides (don't try to tell me Mrs. Donkey taught you to spell it double wides's) and abandoned homes. I admit to seeing some older homes... but ALL, not just one, have junk yards for front yards. When I pick up a Country Living magazine (didn't use apostrophes for the title so you'd have something to write about) I don't imagine finding a picture of Hemet on the cover.

As for my personal story, you've got it wrong... as you probably do with many of us transplants. You're (not your) just too (not to or two) bitter and busy resisting change that you fail to get to know any of us. I work along the 15 and 215 freeways from Victorville to Chula Vista. I work from home a couple of days a week. I volunteer by coaching my children's youth sports teams in the area. My wife works from home. My children are supervised 100% of the time. This IS the case with many of us transplants. The affordable housing in this desert (not dessert), err... I mean country, allows us to maintain this lifestyle. FAMILY is the reason why we move here. Not everyone can live the farm lifestyle by spending the first six hours of sunshine each day with the kids milking Betsy and her heifer friends. And on the crime... if it is my snotty kids and their (not they're or there) friends, why was there (not their or they're) not crime in the OC. I can't actually say I've experienced or heard of any crime in my neighborhood here in the desert, err.. I mean country. Maybe it's just something you and your (not you're) neighbors are experiencing. Ever think it might be the coyotes that are stealing your chickens?

I think cecee nailed it above, "Smile, it might actually make you a nicer person in the long run, but who knows, maybe being nasty and miserable is the only way you know how to live." If urbanization is driving you to be this miserable and nasty, then (not than, can you double check that) you really should consider moving. Urban sprawl is here. Your posts and bitterness towards it won't change the fact it's happening. Your only other options are to accept (not except) it, for better or worse, or die a very bitter and angry person.
Nat

Redondo Beach, CA

#20 Mar 20, 2008
I found this after posting somewhere else. I remembered reading about CEECEE being basically told to go back to the OC but couldn't find it at first. In the few months that I have lived in this area, Tierra Shores, I have found that CeeCee was only wrong about one thing, it's not the manure, it's human sludge and it's dangerous. According to many EPA sites and regulations it does contain cancer causing Dioxins and it is causing my dog and my husband and I some problems. The neighborhoods are so caught up in Loving their paradise (and I don't blame them) that they aren't really seeing the facts anymore (they do smell it, they try to pretend it's okay). Perhaps you might also note that some realtors showed the properties during the mid day times so that the smell wasn't prominent and truthfully, it is getting worse and you all know it. The neighborhood is also going down with it. As more and more houses are foreclosed upon and rented out and resold so people can GET OUT now, we find kids in the streets, trash strewn, and unkept lawns. My husband almost hit a child on a skateboard who flew out of a driveway between two parked TRUCKS. My husband drives very slow and hit the brakes the moment he saw the child, but was then given the finger by the child. How do parents let their children act like that? Security is really powerless and it will just be a never ending cycle until a child is hurt and the driver is blamed. Parent's please, tell your children that streets are for cars and to be careful and remember that no matter how slow a car is going, they can't always see them before they dart out in front of them.
I also would like to note that it really does happen that people buy houses or rent them on the internet. I know people who have so don't attack someone for taking that road. It sometimes is a necessity when moving across the country and some people do depend on the integrity of a realtor to make their decisions. Some of you love to jump on anyone that posts negatively about those Menifee properties, but be realistic and a little understanding. Try to work together instead of looking for a fight. If you want your community to thrive, then do something to help.
I for one will get out as soon as I can and leave the rest of you to suffer from the effects of dioxin and unruly kids. I know, I know, Good riddens. I just hope I can actually sell my PARADISE before the rest of the country catches on! I however, won't try to make my realtor hide the problems for fear of a lawsuit down the road. It does no good to wash over it just to make yourselves feel better. Get together, form a committee, but do something. It won't get any better if you sit back and say, "but I have such a nice house for so much less money." That house won't be worth a thing to you when your child is hurt and your air is killing you. Stand up for your rights as homeowners and as a community. Find out what you can do to change it.
And before you attack my post, I already know what you will say.......I am not from the OC so don't throw that one on me!
smartinoff

Monrovia, CA

#21 Mar 22, 2008
ceecee wrote:
I am very concerned about the supposed "manure" smell that is permeating the air at Tierra Shores subdivision. I am beginnning to have respiratory problems, headaches and the smell, especially at night, is sickening. It has more of a chemical nature and doesn't really smell like manure. What can we as residents do? I have only lived in the subdivision 2 months and I am regretting it at this point because I am afraid of the effects this is having on my body and afraid that it will have a lasting effect on the children etc of this area. Shouldn't the "farm", if that is where it is truly coming from find another way to emit their chemicals into the air? If anyone else knows what to do please post here and let know.
Thank you
Why did you move there in the first place?
Bill

Eden Prairie, MN

#22 Sep 5, 2008
Denny you are one funny dude! I have not laughed that hard in a while.
AlwaysWatching

Covina, CA

#23 Jan 29, 2009
The smell is not from Biosolids or "sludge". Contact the appropriate agencies and ask the right questions. They are country smells and that is it. Nitrogen from manure and urine are the worst part.

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