Underage gambling a growing casino pr...

Underage gambling a growing casino problem

There are 41 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from May 24, 2007, titled Underage gambling a growing casino problem. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Down $500 at the blackjack table at Caesars casino, Xidi Zheng tried to get $500 more at an ATM -- and that's when his luck really ran out.

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older than I look

Indianapolis, IN

#1 May 24, 2007
I have the same problem Kerri Smith has. I get carded several times a night when I go gambling. It would be nice if they could come up with some kind of bracelet or stamp system or something like that so that people who have been ID'd don't have to constantly reproduce their license all night. It can get very frustrating after the 4th or 5th time. I understand that the casinos don't want to be fined, but isn't there a better way to visually see that someone has already been approved to be in there? Seems like that would help keep underaged kids out as well because those who hadn't been carded would be easily identified.
Team A

Vallonia, IN

#2 May 24, 2007
Who cares if an 18 year-old plays Blackjack? I find it absolutely hilarious that our lovely State of Indiana says it is ok for an 18 year-old to gamble on the lottery and horse tracks but cannot play Blackjack. Is that kind of like being a little pregnant? At 18 years of age, you are an adult. Let us not forget that our lovely government sees no problem with giving this 18 year-old "immature" kid a gun and send him off to Iraq to lose a leg, an arm, his eyesight or come home in a coffin. Imagine a 19 year-old coming home from Iraq missing a leg telling stories about how he lost 15 of his best friends in Iraq and our lovely Indiana State Excise Police would arrest this 19 year-old if he drinks a beer or enters a casino. Where in the hell is our government's head? You are old enough at 18 to die to protect this country but you cannot enjoy some of the very freedoms you are defending. Now I know we have a group of people in this country with nothing better to do then worry about what these dangerous 18 year-olds are doing. After all, we have an entire police force dedicated to the drinking age. Folks, you need to get a life. And before one of you holy warriors start attacking me, I have no vested interest in this issue since I am 35 years-old. But it is wrong to deny our young people equality under the law. If you think an 18 year-old is too "immature" to gamble or drink, that is fine with me. However, we need to raise the age for everything to 21 as well. Either you are an adult or you are not. Of course, our government will never raise the age to die in war to 21. Our government loves having lots of young people they can kill off in whatever war they want to fight next. Maybe someday we will get some state representatives with some intelligence.
IUcollegeboy

Cincinnati, OH

#3 May 24, 2007
We wouldn't have these problems if we lowered the legal age to gamble at casinos.

I'm 21 now, however; I found it irritating that I had to drive to Canada in order to be treated like an adult.
justme

Sterling Heights, MI

#4 May 24, 2007
Team A wrote:
Who cares if an 18 year-old plays Blackjack? I am 35 years-old.
Like I'm going to believe you are 35 years old. Everyting you said here is said by everyone who is too young to do something they want to do. Way before reaching 30 years you just don't care what the under 21 kids can or can't do.
RoBear

Punxsutawney, PA

#5 May 24, 2007
Isn't gambling great? I mean, how can we possibly and adequately ever thank the "gaming industry" for instilling such constructive values and ethics of hard work and sensibility into our Hoosier society? And now (forgive me, but I am nearly overwhelmed with gratitude) these same wonderful people are instilling this positive and productive world view of "get rich quick" in our children and young adults!
18 is ok

AOL

#6 May 24, 2007
IF you can go to War, vote and take loans you can sure gamble.

As stupid as gambling is why not let 18 year olds do it.
Carded every time

Indianapolis, IN

#7 May 24, 2007
Every time my husband and I visit Grand Victoria I get carded upon entering the boat. That is the only place. Never when I am ordering alocohol or if I by chance win. I will be 35 in September. They do however have a stamp system. But once I take a shower and we go back the next morning, I get carded again. And I don't think I look at all like I am under 21. I think it is just a quota thing they have to do. It gets very irritating.
Flower

Palo Alto, CA

#8 May 24, 2007
I believe the point of legal gambling age of 21 is the hope that people are on the average more responsible than they were at 18. Responsiblity means that they have a steady income to afford losing and are not impulse driven to gamble all their moneys away.
Freddy

Indianapolis, IN

#9 May 24, 2007
justme wrote:
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Like I'm going to believe you are 35 years old. Everyting you said here is said by everyone who is too young to do something they want to do. Way before reaching 30 years you just don't care what the under 21 kids can or can't do.
That's not true. I'm 45 and I totally agree with the person. People should be treated as an adult at 18 - across the board, including drinking and gambling. The 21 year old law at these casinos doesn't make much sense.
crazyoldman

King George, VA

#11 May 24, 2007
The USA is the only country in the world that has a law against drinking and gambling until 21. What exactly does this accomplish. Countries in Europe allow people as young as 16 drink alcohol and they have a much lower level of alcoholics in their society. But they will be the first ones we want to send to defend this country....what a travesty
What Can I Say

Charlotte, NC

#12 May 24, 2007
One problem here is that you can't take away the underage person's winnings if the establishment doesn't reimburse them for their losses, if caught, as an underage player. Gambling and lottery (same as gambling), just another voluntary taxation program set up by the government who claims is to be here to help us through laws and regulations.
Fishers Rez

Louisville, KY

#13 May 24, 2007
justme wrote:
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Like I'm going to believe you are 35 years old. Everyting you said here is said by everyone who is too young to do something they want to do. Way before reaching 30 years you just don't care what the under 21 kids can or can't do.
I agree with everything TEAM A wrote.

I'm 35 and I play poker. I love to see young, brash, inexperienced players at the table.
ISTHISNEWS

United States

#14 May 24, 2007
WHO CARES
individual

San Jose, CA

#15 May 24, 2007
What? Can't be true as the governor and members of the General Assembly tell us repeatedly that gambling is good. After-all look at the largess flowing to 'the state' and right off the top. Got to pay for that bloated incompetency state bureacracy. Got to hand out excessive and unearned pay raises, increased benefits and retirement pay to the General Assembly members.

And 'right off the top' extorsion of monies is not all the greedy bastards and bitches want as with just a few regulations, look what else 'the state' accomplishes:

(1) enables politicians to force the hiring by casinos of even more political patronage folks. In fact it's a double-dipper. First upon the casinos and then on the taxpayers as yet another layer of mandarins are added to the already bloated state bureaucracy, and

(2) Gives 'the state' the opportunity for even more monies in the form of fines, etc. on those sinning casinos.

After-all, in the minds of the misfits in government everyone and everything is fair game. Every stinking incumbent needs to be voted out of office.
individual

San Jose, CA

#16 May 24, 2007
RoBear wrote:
Isn't gambling great? I mean, how can we possibly and adequately ever thank the "gaming industry" for instilling such constructive values and ethics of hard work and sensibility into our Hoosier society? And now (forgive me, but I am nearly overwhelmed with gratitude) these same wonderful people are instilling this positive and productive world view of "get rich quick" in our children and young adults!
Why blame the gambling industry? Why not place fault where it truly lies .. at the feet of government. It's those in government who preach and practice punishing success and rewarding parasites. It's government who preaches and practices a cradle-to-grave welfare system. And it's government who's the big winner in gambling as it's TAKE is right off the top. And if that wasn't enough, the politicians force casinos to hire their patronage cronies and naturally another layer of bureaucrats are dumped on the taxpayers to support to monitor and police the gambling industry.

If gambling is sinful, it's a judgement on each individual. No union representation. Not an affirmative action program. And seriously doubt if the judgement will 'feel your pain.'
Conundrum

United States

#17 May 24, 2007
So, will 18 year olds, who apparently can wager at the horse race tracks, be allowed to play slot machines at the tracks, which would be illegal for them in a casino?
Gambling Slimeballs

United States

#18 May 24, 2007
Just like the alcohol and tobacco industries, the gambling industry has been marketing to young children for years. Walk into any arcade today and the vast majority of the machines you will see give tickets as prizes. Most games are nothing more than rolling a token down a slot in an effort to win as many tickets as possible. The small kids are rewarded by receiving cheap toys for their tickets.

Who makes the kiddie machines? Bally's - the same company that is big in gambling. Where are the machines located? Chucky Cheese or anywhere else small children are found in large numbers.

Indiana legislators have sold us out. We have a cancer that is spreading and most of us will live to see the day why gambling was outlawed so many years ago.
Mat

Issaquah, WA

#19 May 24, 2007
If you want less societal problems, lower the limits. If you want to deal with kids, deal with them the same across the board. Lotto, ponies, blackjack -- it's all state sanctioned gambling. Having two ages shows that the state doesn't want to get edged out of that 18-20 money, rather than giving a damn about the welfare of "kids".

They're not kids, BTW. There is more gambling going on in high school; trust me.
grumpy

Indianapolis, IN

#20 May 24, 2007
Team A wrote:
Who cares if an 18 year-old plays Blackjack? I find it absolutely hilarious that our lovely State of Indiana says it is ok for an 18 year-old to gamble on the lottery and horse tracks but cannot play Blackjack. Is that kind of like being a little pregnant? At 18 years of age, you are an adult. Let us not forget that our lovely government sees no problem with giving this 18 year-old "immature" kid a gun and send him off to Iraq to lose a leg, an arm, his eyesight or come home in a coffin. Imagine a 19 year-old coming home from Iraq missing a leg telling stories about how he lost 15 of his best friends in Iraq and our lovely Indiana State Excise Police would arrest this 19 year-old if he drinks a beer or enters a casino. Where in the hell is our government's head? You are old enough at 18 to die to protect this country but you cannot enjoy some of the very freedoms you are defending. Now I know we have a group of people in this country with nothing better to do then worry about what these dangerous 18 year-olds are doing. After all, we have an entire police force dedicated to the drinking age. Folks, you need to get a life. And before one of you holy warriors start attacking me, I have no vested interest in this issue since I am 35 years-old. But it is wrong to deny our young people equality under the law. If you think an 18 year-old is too "immature" to gamble or drink, that is fine with me. However, we need to raise the age for everything to 21 as well. Either you are an adult or you are not. Of course, our government will never raise the age to die in war to 21. Our government loves having lots of young people they can kill off in whatever war they want to fight next. Maybe someday we will get some state representatives with some intelligence.
Hey, Team, I think your real agenda is showing. The young soldiers going to Iraq are nearly all volunteers risking their lives in a good cause.

Their willingness to do that in no way proves that we should stand idly by while they risk their cash on a bad habit that may ruin the rest of their lives to no good purpose whatsoever, save greed.

And I'll wager you can't respond without using the word Halliburton.
jbombelli

United States

#21 May 24, 2007
What really is the most egregious thing about this, is the fact that the casinos often only card someone AFTER they've won. I've seen this several times. They don't always card people when they're exchanging cash for chips... it's when they're exchanging chips for cash. They have no problem apparently with TAKING money from underage gamblers... they just don't want to pay them off.

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