New York Primary Election Sept 14: Will you vote?

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Pol Pot Obama

El Dorado, AR

#14247 Oct 30, 2012
Wabsi wrote:
Governor Christie has nothing but praise for how Obama has handled this disaster:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/...
And, who could blame him? It has been a flawless response. It restores my faith in government after that miserable failure by George Bush during Katrina.
What exactly has Obama done?
When Hurricane Katrina hit the gulf coast, the Governor of Louisiana never called the president for help....The president of the United States cannot send in federal agencies to Louisiana or any other state without a governor requesting it....that's not me talking...that's the law. When the gov of Louisiana, a democrat finally did seek federal help, the president acted.
As of this very second I have not seen one single thing Obama has done concerning Hurricane Sandy (Category 1, sissy hurricane I might add)..as of right now, Obama has done nothing...just like the BP oil spill....nothing.
Just like Syria....nothing
Just like Iran...nothing
Just like N.Korea...nothing
Pol Pot Obama

El Dorado, AR

#14248 Oct 30, 2012
Wabsi wrote:
<quoted text>
"Why is it the responsibility of the government of the United States of America to bailout a privately owned company? then.......
Cash for clunkers....why is it the responsibility of the american taxpayers to help people buy a car."
Well, see if you can follow along:
Automakers employ many thousands of Americans, and those Americans pay a lot of taxes and spend their salaries in their communities. The businesses to which they give their salary pay taxes on that revenue, as well. Now, If the Automaker disappears, those people become a burder on the taxpayer; which means that they being taking from the government rather than giving to it...see where I'm going with this?

Now, as to your question about helping people buy a car. If more people buy a new car, that supports more jobs in the auto-industry the auto-finance industry, and many other collateral businesses. Once again, those employees pay taxes, send their kids to college, and spend their salary in their communities.
Obama saved the auto industry and all of the money has been paid back, American cars now compete with their foreign counterparts, and we saved thousands of jobs.
So should the government bailout every company in any community that is failing?
and your also mistaken...Obama never bailout the auto industry...he bailed out their union pension plans after GM robbed the pension plans just like Enron did.
It's not the responsibility of the United States to bailout any privately owned company. If Remington Arms fails, and the entire Mohawk Valley pretty much depends on Remington Arms...do you really think that idiot Obama will bailout Remington Arms.Yahoo just laid off 3000 people, why didn't Obama bailout yahoo.Why isn't Obama bailing out or helping the struggling airlines? Why isn't Obama bailing out or helping family run mom and pops stores?...because General Motors helped Obama get elected and he was paying them back with your hard earned tax dollars.....and by the way...the people that owned GM stock...lost their value of that stock and got ripped off by Obama when the Govt bought up the stock.
DenancyeSteak

Schenectady, NY

#14249 Oct 30, 2012
Pol Pot Obama wrote:
<quoted text>
So should the government bailout every company in any community that is failing?
and your also mistaken...Obama never bailout the auto industry...he bailed out their union pension plans after GM robbed the pension plans just like Enron did.
It's not the responsibility of the United States to bailout any privately owned company. If Remington Arms fails, and the entire Mohawk Valley pretty much depends on Remington Arms...do you really think that idiot Obama will bailout Remington Arms.Yahoo just laid off 3000 people, why didn't Obama bailout yahoo.Why isn't Obama bailing out or helping the struggling airlines? Why isn't Obama bailing out or helping family run mom and pops stores?...because General Motors helped Obama get elected and he was paying them back with your hard earned tax dollars.....and by the way...the people that owned GM stock...lost their value of that stock and got ripped off by Obama when the Govt bought up the stock.
"So should the government bailout every company in any community that is failing?"

Do I really have to answer that question? Are you being deliberately or genuninely obtuse?

Obama should not - and did not - bail out "every company". This was an intelligent, calculated risk that paid off by saving thousands of American jobs and the American auto industry as a whole.

This took vision and guts, and it worked.

Would you have rather had the Chinese purchase the dying remains of GM and run it here in America? Of course you would, because you're no patriot, you're just another greed globalist who believe that corporation are people (to quote Mitt Romney).
DenancyeSteak

Schenectady, NY

#14250 Oct 30, 2012
You wrote that "the people that owned GM stock...lost their value of that stock and got ripped off by Obama when the Govt bought up the stock."

Wait a minute...did I just read a post by a republican who is decrying the free-market and market-risk? Wow, note the date and time!

See, this is what makes me laugh...you dye-in-the-wool capitalists want everything to be about risk and the free-market...until things go badly for you, then you run crying to the government to make things right.

GM was bankrupt and waving goodbye at the pier; those investors were going to lose their money either way...Obama saved the company and thousands of jobs.
DenancyeSteak

Schenectady, NY

#14251 Oct 30, 2012
Pol Pot Obama wrote:
<quoted text>
What exactly has Obama done?
When Hurricane Katrina hit the gulf coast, the Governor of Louisiana never called the president for help....The president of the United States cannot send in federal agencies to Louisiana or any other state without a governor requesting it....that's not me talking...that's the law. When the gov of Louisiana, a democrat finally did seek federal help, the president acted.
As of this very second I have not seen one single thing Obama has done concerning Hurricane Sandy (Category 1, sissy hurricane I might add)..as of right now, Obama has done nothing...just like the BP oil spill....nothing.
Just like Syria....nothing
Just like Iran...nothing
Just like N.Korea...nothing
So, George Bush was sitting by the phone waiting for a call in order to help? LMAO...you're precious.

You don't the law very well, do you? The President - through Executive Order - can send assistance into any state he wants if human life is at risk. How do you think Kennedy send troops into Selma Alabama?

Learn the law before you quote it.
Really

Los Angeles, CA

#14252 Oct 30, 2012
Obama in response to the hurricane states he no longer cares about the election, he is commander in chief first and the safety of our people is more important.

Romney, steeps himself in press meetings causing controversy and lying ads about jeep leaving us which isn't true.

I think we see the real leader of the country....
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#14253 Oct 30, 2012
Wabsi wrote:
<quoted text>
"Why is it the responsibility of the government of the United States of America to bailout a privately owned company? then.......
Cash for clunkers....why is it the responsibility of the american taxpayers to help people buy a car."
Well, see if you can follow along:
Automakers employ many thousands of Americans, and those Americans pay a lot of taxes and spend their salaries in their communities. The businesses to which they give their salary pay taxes on that revenue, as well. Now, If the Automaker disappears, those people become a burder on the taxpayer; which means that they being taking from the government rather than giving to it...see where I'm going with this?
Yep - clear as a bell - right down the Euro-socialist road to a second-rate economy and fiscal ruin.

Right down the road to Greece or Spain.

This is America. You want a Euro-socialist Nanny-state?

Move to one.
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#14254 Oct 30, 2012
Wabsi wrote:
<quoted text>
"all you weirdo liberals want the government to pay for your medical expenses."
Tell me, do you plan on using Medicare? Because you'll take out of Medicare many times what you put in; that means that the government will be paying for YOUR medical expense.
Pot...meet kettle.
You're seriously trying to counter the poster's advocacy for self-reliance in making provision for one's lifetime medical needs by trotting out a Democrat Ponzi Scheme (Medicare) as some kind of refutation or counter-argument??

Nanny-state progresive - meet strawman.
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#14255 Oct 30, 2012
DenancyeSteak wrote:
Wow, even a die hard GOP'er like Christie is praising Obmama? That's impressive (and unexpected).
Not at all surprising to me. Christie's a first-class leader and a straight shooter.
liberals are idiots

Cicero, NY

#14256 Oct 30, 2012
Obama sending more jobs to China, the American Jeep will now be the Chinese Jeep.
DenancyeSteak

Schenectady, NY

#14257 Oct 30, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep - clear as a bell - right down the Euro-socialist road to a second-rate economy and fiscal ruin.
Right down the road to Greece or Spain.
This is America. You want a Euro-socialist Nanny-state?
Move to one.
You use terms like "socialism" as though you understand what they mean.

The government doesn own, run or control the auto industry...THAT would be socialism. Instead, the government made and "investment" in the future of the American autoworker.

Maybe you should find an easier-to-understand concept to argue about.
liberals are idiots

Cicero, NY

#14258 Oct 30, 2012
Wow, Obama made a phone call in 4 years and now he has done something good? LOL

The Americans in Libya called him over 3 times and Obama watched them being killed and did nothing.
DenancyeSteak

Schenectady, NY

#14259 Oct 30, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>
You're seriously trying to counter the poster's advocacy for self-reliance in making provision for one's lifetime medical needs by trotting out a Democrat Ponzi Scheme (Medicare) as some kind of refutation or counter-argument??
Nanny-state progresive - meet strawman.
I'm saying that the poster IS going to rely on Medicare, and so should not pretend as though he isn't reliant on the system for a "medical care subsidy".

VERY few Americans can afford to provide 100% of their own elder-care, so stop acting like you're self-sufficient.
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#14260 Oct 30, 2012
DenancyeSteak wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama should not - and did not - bail out "every company". This was an intelligent, calculated risk that paid off by saving thousands of American jobs and the American auto industry as a whole.
This took vision and guts, and it worked.
Nonsense.

Obama's calculated risk with other people's money cost the taxpayer $19 billion lost forever down the drain and into his political friends' pockets.

He didn't "save the auto industry" - he's consigned it to continue circling the drain, lumbered by completely uneconomic and unsustainable UAW labor contracts and pension exposures, and in the dead hand of the same GM Management that's steering them onto the rocks repeatedly.

Guaranteeing GM will fail again, even bigger, and have its hand out for more US Taxpayer bailouts when they do.

Bad policy.
liberal

Poestenkill, NY

#14261 Oct 30, 2012
Aga wrote:
Vote for Jobs! Vote for a GREAT MAN MITT RAMNEY!!!
You cant even spell willards name. Repug voters wouldnt know a great man if he bite you on the ass.
DenancyeSteak

Schenectady, NY

#14262 Oct 30, 2012
The average single male pays about $345,000 into social security/medicare during his lifetime.

With an average life expectancy of 78 years, and retirement age of 65, the average person will draw benefits for about 13 years. That means that your pay-in to the system is about $27,000 per year for the last 13 years of your life; and that has to cover both your social security AND medicare.

Considering the staggering costs of medical care, is there anyone out there who feels that they aren't "taking from the system" when they're on Medicare?
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#14263 Oct 30, 2012
DenancyeSteak wrote:
You wrote that "the people that owned GM stock...lost their value of that stock and got ripped off by Obama when the Govt bought up the stock."
Wait a minute...did I just read a post by a republican who is decrying the free-market and market-risk? Wow, note the date and time!
See, this is what makes me laugh...you dye-in-the-wool capitalists want everything to be about risk and the free-market...until things go badly for you, then you run crying to the government to make things right.
GM was bankrupt and waving goodbye at the pier; those investors were going to lose their money either way...Obama saved the company and thousands of jobs.
Wrong.

GM's creditors had rights under our bankruptcy laws - that's why we have bankruptcy laws.

Obama subverted the bankruptcy statutes with Taxpayers' money, jumping his political croneys - UAW Bosses - ahead of other creditors with superior rights.
DenancyeSteak

Schenectady, NY

#14264 Oct 30, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>
Nonsense.
Obama's calculated risk with other people's money cost the taxpayer $19 billion lost forever down the drain and into his political friends' pockets.
He didn't "save the auto industry" - he's consigned it to continue circling the drain, lumbered by completely uneconomic and unsustainable UAW labor contracts and pension exposures, and in the dead hand of the same GM Management that's steering them onto the rocks repeatedly.
Guaranteeing GM will fail again, even bigger, and have its hand out for more US Taxpayer bailouts when they do.
Bad policy.
The Center for Automotive Research has estimated that more than a million jobs were saved by the U.S. auto industry bailout.

General Motors earned $7.6 billion on $150.3 billion in sales in 2011, just two years after taxpayers bailed it out. Moreover, its once-weak compatriots in the U.S. auto sector—Ford Motor (F) and Chrysler Group—reported profits for the year, as well. That’s the first time the Big Three, as old-timers fondly call them, have all been profitable since 2004.

Maybe you're thinking of another auto-industy.
DenancyeSteak

Schenectady, NY

#14265 Oct 30, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>
Nonsense.
Obama's calculated risk with other people's money cost the taxpayer $19 billion lost forever down the drain and into his political friends' pockets.
He didn't "save the auto industry" - he's consigned it to continue circling the drain, lumbered by completely uneconomic and unsustainable UAW labor contracts and pension exposures, and in the dead hand of the same GM Management that's steering them onto the rocks repeatedly.
Guaranteeing GM will fail again, even bigger, and have its hand out for more US Taxpayer bailouts when they do.
Bad policy.
Both GM and Chrysler have paid back the bailout money in full and with interest.

You were saying?
DenancyeSteak

Schenectady, NY

#14266 Oct 30, 2012
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