Thursday's West Islip Board of Ed Agenda

Feb 14, 2013 Full story: Patch.com 260

The West Islip School Board of Education will hold its montly meeting on Thursday at 8 p.m. at West Islip High School.

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Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#104 Feb 19, 2013
WI Resident wrote:
If anyone actually believes that kids are in closets being taught than you deserve to be called an idiot.
If I thought for one second my kid was being taught in a windowless fire hazard enviroment I would be up at the school with the Fire Marshall day 1. Grow up people and stop being lured into these idiotic discussions.
I copied this quote off the patch site. It was posted by someone named valerie in the middle of January. Was she lying?

"Two weeks ago I was in Bayview after school because my son left his book in his desk. When we left I took notice of the resource rooms. I commented to the secretary how nice they were and she told me that out of the 5 of them, 3 of them were actually "closets" previously. I couldn't believe it. They were done so nicely. The rooms were not big but when you are working with a small group, how much room do you really need? From what I saw they had a teachers desk and 3-4 kids chairs. Each of the rooms I saw looked very cozy. Are your rooms different? I remember in Kirdahy last year, the PTA closet was about 10 x 10. These rooms were about that maybe one was smaller."
Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#105 Feb 19, 2013
WISD Taxpayer wrote:
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Where are the legal facts? As a taxpayer, I agreed that consolidating the 6 under utilized schools into 4 was and is a sound fiscal decision. Making it work requires a bit of flexibility and discussions on issues over opinions and emotions.
I found out that even bathrooms are not considered occupiable space. There has to be standards before we allow human beings to utilize certain spaces. When it comes to the principle reason for why we have schools in the first place, for the sake of a child's education, the discussion of flexibility should not be at the expense of the child in any way, shape or form. It's not about adults, it's about shaping our future, the children.
WI Realtor

West Islip, NY

#106 Feb 19, 2013
Occupiablespace wrote:
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I copied this quote off the patch site. It was posted by someone named valerie in the middle of January. Was she lying?
"Two weeks ago I was in Bayview after school because my son left his book in his desk. When we left I took notice of the resource rooms. I commented to the secretary how nice they were and she told me that out of the 5 of them, 3 of them were actually "closets" previously. I couldn't believe it. They were done so nicely. The rooms were not big but when you are working with a small group, how much room do you really need? From what I saw they had a teachers desk and 3-4 kids chairs. Each of the rooms I saw looked very cozy. Are your rooms different? I remember in Kirdahy last year, the PTA closet was about 10 x 10. These rooms were about that maybe one was smaller."
Valerie also happens to be a real estate agent who works for (hang on to your hat) JAMIE WINKLER. For those of you who don't know real estate lingo, when we say something is "cozy" it means microscopic!
No kid deserves to learn in a closet.
Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#107 Feb 19, 2013
WI Realtor wrote:
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Valerie also happens to be a real estate agent who works for (hang on to your hat) JAMIE WINKLER. For those of you who don't know real estate lingo, when we say something is "cozy" it means microscopic!
No kid deserves to learn in a closet.
You're kidding right?
WI Resident

West Islip, NY

#108 Feb 19, 2013
Here's the thing - If it's not your kid and the parents of these "closet kids" arent the ones complaining than WHAT THE HELL DO YOU CARE FOR?????

Like I said if it was my kid I would be on the front page of Newsday and News12 complaining, not Topix & Patch. That is why I think it is all Bulls**t

Seriously folks, start using your common sense for once.
Jessica Horvath

Brentwood, NY

#109 Feb 19, 2013
WI Resident wrote:
Here's the thing - If it's not your kid and the parents of these "closet kids" arent the ones complaining than WHAT THE HELL DO YOU CARE FOR?????
Like I said if it was my kid I would be on the front page of Newsday and News12 complaining, not Topix & Patch. That is why I think it is all Bulls**t
Seriously folks, start using your common sense for once.
exactly. you knew it was going to be a right fit. you knew it was going to be uncomfortable. but if for one second I thought any child was in danger I would be screaming it from the rooftops. what did you think was going to happen when they shut down two elementary schools????
WI Resident

West Islip, NY

#110 Feb 19, 2013
Let me make myself perfectly clear, I have a child in each level of schoo and I think the right decision was made to close 2 ES and keep the 2 MS.
Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#111 Feb 19, 2013
WI Resident wrote:
Here's the thing - If it's not your kid and the parents of these "closet kids" arent the ones complaining than WHAT THE HELL DO YOU CARE FOR?????
Like I said if it was my kid I would be on the front page of Newsday and News12 complaining, not Topix & Patch. That is why I think it is all Bulls**t
Seriously folks, start using your common sense for once.
Was that woman lying, yes or no?
Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#112 Feb 19, 2013
WI Resident wrote:
Here's the thing - If it's not your kid and the parents of these "closet kids" arent the ones complaining than WHAT THE HELL DO YOU CARE FOR?????
Like I said if it was my kid I would be on the front page of Newsday and News12 complaining, not Topix & Patch. That is why I think it is all Bulls**t
Seriously folks, start using your common sense for once.
Here's the thing, if it's not your kid, and the parents aren't the ones complaining about these "abused children", what the hell do you care?
Ummmm, just so you know....your reasoning (or lack there of) is EXACTLY why we have child protective services agencies. It's because some parents aren't always the best at making healthy judgement calls where their own children are concerned. Was this Valerie lying?
WI Resident

West Islip, NY

#113 Feb 19, 2013
Occupiablespace wrote:
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Was that woman lying, yes or no?
How should I know go find Valerie and ask her
WI Resident

West Islip, NY

#114 Feb 19, 2013
Occupiablespace wrote:
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Here's the thing, if it's not your kid, and the parents aren't the ones complaining about these "abused children", what the hell do you care?
Ummmm, just so you know....your reasoning (or lack there of) is EXACTLY why we have child protective services agencies. It's because some parents aren't always the best at making healthy judgement calls where their own children are concerned. Was this Valerie lying?
WOW, get a grip. Now we have abused kids in our schools because of the BOE. Once again, I AM NOT VALERIE!!!!
Jessica Horvath

Brentwood, NY

#115 Feb 19, 2013
Occupiablespace wrote:
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Was that woman lying, yes or no?
I personally know Valerie and if there was an actual issue here, she would be the first one fighting for our kids, ok? Our kids are SAFE. I send my kids on the bus without one worry. I know their teachers and their principal would give their lives for them. Not for one second do I worry. Again, the classrooms for resource may not be gigantic, but the TEACHER is the one that counts. I for one know we have great teachers. Teachers who keep these kids safe and secure and do their job. If you are so concerned please go down and look for yourself. Unfortunately they voted to close two elementary schools. I am sure a middle school will go down in a couple of years...which is good because I am equally convinced that Westbrook will be reopening. Parents of 3rd graders have the biggest problem...that is the biggest class we have and there are a lot of 3rd graders.....the 4th and 5th and 2nd, 1st and K are not as huge, but there is going to be an upcoming K class that is going to be larger than the graduating class and that is when they will be reopening an elementary school.
Dr Remulach

Deer Park, NY

#116 Feb 19, 2013
Occupiablespace wrote:
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Here's the thing, if it's not your kid, and the parents aren't the ones complaining about these "abused children", what the hell do you care?
Ummmm, just so you know....your reasoning (or lack there of) is EXACTLY why we have child protective services agencies. It's because some parents aren't always the best at making healthy judgement calls where their own children are concerned. Was this Valerie lying?
as a proctologist my main concern is with the other end but I do wonder what occupies the space between your ears?
Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#118 Feb 20, 2013
WI Resident wrote:
<quoted text>
WOW, get a grip. Now we have abused kids in our schools because of the BOE. Once again, I AM NOT VALERIE!!!!
No one accused you of being valerie. Relax. If this valerie is telling the truth then their are most definitely closets being used as occupiable space. Some parents may not view that as wrong, but I don't expect parents to know the codes for occupancy in a building.
Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#119 Feb 20, 2013
Jessica Horvath wrote:
<quoted text> I personally know Valerie and if there was an actual issue here, she would be the first one fighting for our kids, ok? Our kids are SAFE. I send my kids on the bus without one worry. I know their teachers and their principal would give their lives for them. Not for one second do I worry. Again, the classrooms for resource may not be gigantic, but the TEACHER is the one that counts. I for one know we have great teachers. Teachers who keep these kids safe and secure and do their job. If you are so concerned please go down and look for yourself. Unfortunately they voted to close two elementary schools. I am sure a middle school will go down in a couple of years...which is good because I am equally convinced that Westbrook will be reopening. Parents of 3rd graders have the biggest problem...that is the biggest class we have and there are a lot of 3rd graders.....the 4th and 5th and 2nd, 1st and K are not as huge, but there is going to be an upcoming K class that is going to be larger than the graduating class and that is when they will be reopening an elementary school.
No one said anything about teachers and principals competence. This is about whether or not a student is occupying a closet. We aren't paying all these high taxes to have students learning in closets, which may be by law, illegal.
Special educator

West Islip, NY

#120 Feb 20, 2013
Occupiablespace wrote:
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No one said anything about teachers and principals competence. This is about whether or not a student is occupying a closet. We aren't paying all these high taxes to have students learning in closets, which may be by law, illegal.
If you apply logic here, then you certainly are indirectly implying that the principal nd teachers are not doing their job. It is the principals responsibility to maintain the health and safety of his/ her students. Your ranting about kids in the closet implies that the principal and teachers are turning a blind eye toward the "problem". Special education services, which are the services you are referring to, have some of the strictest rules/regulations in education. If you really want to learn more, you should contact the special Ed department/director in you district, and have a conversation with him/her. Keep in mind, there is more than one way to deliver services, and in buildings where a dedicated room is not available the teacher can always "push in" to a classroom, and work with the child in the classroom setting. In some schools of thought, this is even a preferred method of instruction.
Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#121 Feb 20, 2013
Special educator wrote:
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If you apply logic here, then you certainly are indirectly implying that the principal nd teachers are not doing their job. It is the principals responsibility to maintain the health and safety of his/ her students. Your ranting about kids in the closet implies that the principal and teachers are turning a blind eye toward the "problem". Special education services, which are the services you are referring to, have some of the strictest rules/regulations in education. If you really want to learn more, you should contact the special Ed department/director in you district, and have a conversation with him/her. Keep in mind, there is more than one way to deliver services, and in buildings where a dedicated room is not available the teacher can always "push in" to a classroom, and work with the child in the classroom setting. In some schools of thought, this is even a preferred method of instruction.
Maybe in your world. In the real world, the system doesn't tolerate those who make waves. The teachers and principals may not like something but they also know where their bread is buttered and that it doesn't serve anyone to make waves.
Valerie explained with absolute certainty that closets were being used as learning space. I didn't make that up.
I think your suggestion of a "push in" would be the preferred method.
Special educator

West Islip, NY

#122 Feb 20, 2013
No, actually I am in the real world, it is you who has no concept of the "system". Educators make it work. Period. When they are handed lemons, they make lemonade. They do their best under any circumstances they are given. The conditions you are describing are not, in my opinion, a problem. Problems are thirty kids in a classroom. Problems are kids coming to school hungry, too hungry to learn. Problems are kids with out support at home to get through homework. These are problems, and they exist here on long island. They exist in areas that are paying just as much property tax as you. Problems are not a resource room kid spending 30 minutes in a small space with a dedicated teacher.
Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#123 Feb 20, 2013
Special educator wrote:
No, actually I am in the real world, it is you who has no concept of the "system". Educators make it work. Period. When they are handed lemons, they make lemonade. They do their best under any circumstances they are given. The conditions you are describing are not, in my opinion, a problem. Problems are thirty kids in a classroom. Problems are kids coming to school hungry, too hungry to learn. Problems are kids with out support at home to get through homework. These are problems, and they exist here on long island. They exist in areas that are paying just as much property tax as you. Problems are not a resource room kid spending 30 minutes in a small space with a dedicated teacher.
I agree that educators make it work, I agree that they can make lemonade out of lemons. I also agree that the problems that you describe are real problems that do exist inside the public school systems and these educators find a way to make it work. Don't try to portray what I am pointing at as an issue with people who are in the trenches day after day.
I disagree with utilizing space not meant for human occupancy, period. As I said, I was not the person who has stated plainly that closests have been converted to learning space and with that I do have an issue, even if you don't, and I think it's a real problem even if you don't and tax payers shouldn't be okay with it.
Special educator

West Islip, NY

#124 Feb 20, 2013
Occupiablespace wrote:
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I agree that educators make it work, I agree that they can make lemonade out of lemons. I also agree that the problems that you describe are real problems that do exist inside the public school systems and these educators find a way to make it work. Don't try to portray what I am pointing at as an issue with people who are in the trenches day after day.
I disagree with utilizing space not meant for human occupancy, period. As I said, I was not the person who has stated plainly that closests have been converted to learning space and with that I do have an issue, even if you don't, and I think it's a real problem even if you don't and tax payers shouldn't be okay with it.
I think it is minor and petty in camparison to the scope of education in today's society. I think you should educate yourself about real issues facing our public school systems and rely on the educators in the buildings to teach the kids. If the resource room teacher has not gone to his/her director to object to the space, then the only logical thought is that the space is fine for his/her needs. If as you say the teacher doesn't speak up because he/she believes that will mean "making waves" then that teacher is not, in my educated opinion, doing his/her job, and THAT is what you should be objecting to.

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