Suffolk police officer killed in car collision

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Police on Long Island say a Suffolk County police officer was killed in a car accident while responding to call in Commack . Read more

“All fear the Super Devil”

Since: Aug 08

Smithtown, NY

#320 Mar 4, 2009
Sue wrote:
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Actually, yes, he is married to the mother of his two children. Also had a full time job which he was dedicated to and a part time on the side. Lets not just make-up things to support your argument.
His marital, parental and employment status are irrelevant. I'm not just saying that to you, but to everyone. Some will try to use it for sympathy, others to try to attack his character. Neither one has anything to do with this case.

Nice guy or a--hole, judge him by the facts.
Speared

Mineola, NY

#321 Mar 4, 2009
PayinDaTax wrote:
Too bad he didnt hit a bus full of School Teachers!!...That could of taken a $1000 off all our tax bills next year!!
Amen!
Observation Bob

Morrow, GA

#322 Mar 4, 2009
The Capeless Crusader wrote:
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His marital, parental and employment status are irrelevant. I'm not just saying that to you, but to everyone. Some will try to use it for sympathy, others to try to attack his character. Neither one has anything to do with this case.
Nice guy or a--hole, judge him by the facts.
And???? Do tell... or just bloviate while somebody's husband/Dad is getting posted about on Newsday.com
DukeNukem

AOL

#323 Mar 4, 2009
Observation Bob wrote:
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And???? Do tell... or just bloviate while somebody's husband/Dad is getting posted about on Newsday.com
Who? The DWI guy? Not husband, the baby's father.

“All fear the Super Devil”

Since: Aug 08

Smithtown, NY

#324 Mar 5, 2009
Observation Bob wrote:
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And???? Do tell... or just bloviate while somebody's husband/Dad is getting posted about on Newsday.com
It might be useful if you read all the posts before commenting on one of the last ones you saw.

For the most part, you have 2 groups of people on here: those who are ready to hang Borbon, and those who are blaming the officer.

One of the common themes is the character of Borbon. Some people are saying what a nice, stand up guy he is, because he works 2 jobs, takes care of his kids, etc. Others are saying he's a deadbeat because he doesn't work, has kids out of wedlock, etc.

Regardless of what type of guy he is, he was behind the the wheel while drunk, and was involved in an accident. The circumstqances involving the actual collision haven't been fully brought to light yet, but right now, the fact that he was way over the legal limit is working against Borbon.

However many jobs he works or doesn't work or whether he's a good or bad father to his kids doesn't change anything about what happened. yet people keep bringing this up, as if it does matter, and it leads into a lot of pointless debates.

So, as I posted earlier, judge this case by the facts, not whether people like the guy or not.
Run262

Bayport, NY

#325 Mar 5, 2009
Capeless, your post was intelligently written and thought provoking. I'm guilty of some of what you speak of.

The presumption of innocense applies only within the courtroom. Although there's lots to any case we are not familiar with, discussion boards like this encourage speculation and baseless opinion. I don't expect this to stop. Thanks.
Observation Bob

Morrow, GA

#326 Mar 5, 2009
I will reiterate me first words of my post... do tell.. you have the facts?? You were there? Explain... please

“All fear the Super Devil”

Since: Aug 08

Smithtown, NY

#327 Mar 5, 2009
Observation Bob wrote:
I will reiterate me first words of my post... do tell.. you have the facts?? You were there? Explain... please
I do not have the facts, nor did I ever claim to. I thought my last post was pretty stratightforwrd. But I must've been bloviating, huh?

I just got tired of people saying "he's innocent because he's a nice guy and because some cops drive reckelessly" or "he's an unemployed deadbeat so he must be guilty". It scares me that people like this will make up juries.
Run262

Freeport, NY

#328 Mar 5, 2009
Juries on Long Island represent an intelligent mixture of citizens who take their responsibilities seriously. Even though they have "gut feelings" also, they tend to follow the court's instructions and base their decisions solely on the evidence brought before them in trial. In criminal cases they may believe the defendant is guilty, but will not convict on feelings alone.

We all have bias from life experiences. I think most of us can put them on hold when sitting as a juror.
Sue

Newark, NJ

#329 Mar 5, 2009
The Capeless Crusader wrote:
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It might be useful if you read all the posts before commenting on one of the last ones you saw.
For the most part, you have 2 groups of people on here: those who are ready to hang Borbon, and those who are blaming the officer.
One of the common themes is the character of Borbon. Some people are saying what a nice, stand up guy he is, because he works 2 jobs, takes care of his kids, etc. Others are saying he's a deadbeat because he doesn't work, has kids out of wedlock, etc.
Regardless of what type of guy he is, he was behind the the wheel while drunk, and was involved in an accident. The circumstqances involving the actual collision haven't been fully brought to light yet, but right now, the fact that he was way over the legal limit is working against Borbon.
However many jobs he works or doesn't work or whether he's a good or bad father to his kids doesn't change anything about what happened. yet people keep bringing this up, as if it does matter, and it leads into a lot of pointless debates.
So, as I posted earlier, judge this case by the facts, not whether people like the guy or not.
Just for the record, there are more than two types of people on here. I certainly do not "blame" the officer, because I do not know the facts. I think it is horrific what happened to him and his family. All I am saying is that those of you who have judged Jose without knowing him are, in my opinion, wrong. And although his personal facts may not be important to you, I believe they contribute to an unfair assault on his total character, however understandable. Granted, there is no defending his drinking and driving, he was reckless and contributed to an absolute nightmare. But I am defending him as a person, however troubled, he has always been genuinely kind and decent to me and my children and many, many others that I know, and I regret that he is now some "monster" in the papers. Everyone liked him. I also know his wife and children and his actual work record, so I am not guessing about these things.
The Dogman

Brooklyn, NY

#330 Mar 5, 2009
Sue wrote:
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Just for the record, there are more than two types of people on here. I certainly do not "blame" the officer, because I do not know the facts. I think it is horrific what happened to him and his family. All I am saying is that those of you who have judged Jose without knowing him are, in my opinion, wrong. And although his personal facts may not be important to you, I believe they contribute to an unfair assault on his total character, however understandable. Granted, there is no defending his drinking and driving, he was reckless and contributed to an absolute nightmare. But I am defending him as a person, however troubled, he has always been genuinely kind and decent to me and my children and many, many others that I know, and I regret that he is now some "monster" in the papers. Everyone liked him. I also know his wife and children and his actual work record, so I am not guessing about these things.
Sue, there is something seriously wrong with you. Your good friend Jose is responsible for the death of an innocent man. He has destroyed his own life, and the lives of countless others. He acts like a thug, he looks like a thug, but according to Sue he is sweet, misunderstood, wonderful human being. Riight.
Observation Bob

Morrow, GA

#331 Mar 6, 2009
I could have written it better than the post above.. some people are quick to defend Jose because a police officer died and Jose is a minority. Why? The officer is dead. Partially or fully as a result of Jose driving drunk? A jury will decide
bias is showing

Bronx, NY

#332 Mar 6, 2009
Hey SUE you confident enough to have your childern play in the street when Jose is around? I bet I know your answer. Swell guy. Gee only thing stopping him from driving drunk now is he's jailed, at least I hope so still.

You drive drunk your wrong. Sorry end of discussion. How many times have people made driving mistakes ( I'm not even assuming the cop did this ) and you avoid the "accident" becasue you where SOBER as the LAW and commen F'ing sense MANDATES. But alas Jose is a good guy when not driving drunk killing dads, cops and maybe next time his worthless self absorbed self centered self. Party on Jose.
Wally Winnebago

Queens Village, NY

#333 Mar 6, 2009
Sue wrote:
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Just for the record, there are more than two types of people on here. I certainly do not "blame" the officer, because I do not know the facts. I think it is horrific what happened to him and his family. All I am saying is that those of you who have judged Jose without knowing him are, in my opinion, wrong. And although his personal facts may not be important to you, I believe they contribute to an unfair assault on his total character, however understandable. Granted, there is no defending his drinking and driving, he was reckless and contributed to an absolute nightmare. But I am defending him as a person, however troubled, he has always been genuinely kind and decent to me and my children and many, many others that I know, and I regret that he is now some "monster" in the papers. Everyone liked him. I also know his wife and children and his actual work record, so I am not guessing about these things.
It doesn't matter if he was a choir boy or donated a kidney to his neighbor. That will not change the fact that he was given a second chance and drove drunk again, costing a police officer his life and hurting that family, AND hurting his own family and his own little children too. He got his wake up call and ignored it, I have no respect for him. God bless the officer and his family and the family of the murderer, for surely they didn't want this event to ever enter their lives either.
bias is showing

Bronx, NY

#334 Mar 8, 2009
Wally Winnebago wrote:
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It doesn't matter if he was a choir boy or donated a kidney to his neighbor. That will not change the fact that he was given a second chance and drove drunk again, costing a police officer his life and hurting that family, AND hurting his own family and his own little children too. He got his wake up call and ignored it, I have no respect for him. God bless the officer and his family and the family of the murderer, for surely they didn't want this event to ever enter their lives either.
Well said. Night Sue, hope you get home okay before Jose ties one on and drives down your block while you are pulling in your driveway.
DukeNukem

AOL

#335 Mar 8, 2009
bias is showing wrote:
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Well said. Night Sue, hope you get home okay before Jose ties one on and drives down your block while you are pulling in your driveway.
Jose is a "baby father," isn't that respectable????
TGC

Saint Albans, NY

#336 Mar 8, 2009
DukeNukem wrote:
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Jose is a "baby father," isn't that respectable????
NO!
Miguel

Phoenix, AZ

#337 Mar 8, 2009
TGC wrote:
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NO!
What do you mean NO, you hoto.

“All fear the Super Devil”

Since: Aug 08

Smithtown, NY

#338 Mar 9, 2009
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
Just for the record, there are more than two types of people on here. I certainly do not "blame" the officer, because I do not know the facts. I think it is horrific what happened to him and his family. All I am saying is that those of you who have judged Jose without knowing him are, in my opinion, wrong. And although his personal facts may not be important to you, I believe they contribute to an unfair assault on his total character, however understandable. Granted, there is no defending his drinking and driving, he was reckless and contributed to an absolute nightmare. But I am defending him as a person, however troubled, he has always been genuinely kind and decent to me and my children and many, many others that I know, and I regret that he is now some "monster" in the papers. Everyone liked him. I also know his wife and children and his actual work record, so I am not guessing about these things.
Sometimes I feel as though I'm talking to a brick wall. What does Borbon being nice to your children have to do with him being drunk and behind the wheel? Regardless of whether you know him or not, that does not change what happened.

A jury does not need to know him to judge him. In fact, they are encouraged NOT to know him, but to judge him based on the evidence surrouding the crash.

So cry for your friend all you want, but don't try to excuse what happened.
DukeNukem

AOL

#339 Mar 9, 2009
TGC wrote:
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NO!
This story would be on the front page for a month if the races were reversed: a white DWI driver and a Hispanic cop.

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