Cutting of pastor's role called 'vind...

Cutting of pastor's role called 'vindictive'

There are 8619 comments on the Newsday story from Oct 21, 2008, titled Cutting of pastor's role called 'vindictive'. In it, Newsday reports that:

For 32 years, the Rev. Robert E. Mason celebrated a children's Mass at Our Lady of Lourdes in Massapequa Park that attracted a loyal following among some families at the ultraconservative parish.

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Tell the Truth

New Canaan, CT

#47 Oct 23, 2008
StopPayingThem wrote:
Lisante popular at OLL? not really! They're dropping like flies! Lisante has to bus them in from all over DRVC. Folks are showing up mostly from St. Thomas the Apostle and a few other places... but now St. Thomas' attendance is low.
I think they have to alternate weekends! It's pretty funny... since collections are down at OLL.
The reason they dislike him at OLL is the same reason they liked him elsewhere! He MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD. Doesn't teach you much... but BOY do you feel good!
I think this modernpriest.blogspot.com guy is right... time to throw these guys out!
Perhaps we can get Murphy promoted to 'interreligous dialogue' or something and send him to Rome. That would be great... as long as he is no longer on OUR payroll!
No, collections are UP at OLL. Tell the truth.
Get Informed

Watertown, CT

#48 Oct 23, 2008
Still Wondering wrote:
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Rumor has it that Murphy knew about the priest that Lisante brought into the parish and that when it became public, Murphy threw him under the bus. True?
This is true
Tell the Truth

New Canaan, CT

#49 Oct 23, 2008
young_catholic wrote:
I was there at Fr. Lisante's youth mass on saturday. I remember Fr. Mason as something of a grouch growing up. I may still be in high school, but it insulted my intelligence when Fr. Lisante, in his sermon, attacked a dad who was upset about his son being gay. This is contradictory to everything I have learned from the other priests at OLL. I also saw how the altar boys have to sit next to the lead singer. If I was an altar boy, I would not only feel uncomfortable about sitting next to Peter Rapanoro on the altar, but I would also regard it as a gross error by Fr. Lisante in protecting the children of the parish.
Then maybe you should be uncomfortable sitting next to 80% of the priests you know, because they're gay, too.

Who taught you such bigotry?
catholiceye

Brooklyn, NY

#50 Oct 23, 2008
Allow me to propose a truce, since I really don't like sparring with nice Catholics like you people from Rockville Centre and Elmont:

You can have Msgr. Jim back at St. Thomas (but please don't feel obliged to send us Frank Maniscalco!) We'd even be happy to help Msgr. Jim pack his bags and be there to wave him off with smiles and handshakes all around.

Isn't there some other friendly conservative (preferably young)priest around somewhere who could come to OLL? Please, Bishop Murphy???
Tell the Truth

New Canaan, CT

#51 Oct 23, 2008
ProLifeMom wrote:
He is no real friend of the pro life movement. As someone who has actually worked in the office of family life, I can tell you that Lisante is a wolf in sheeps clothing! He is great at attending meetings and photo-ops... but when it comes to really saving babies... he's usually too busy posing with movie stars!
You, Stop Paying Them, and Sleeping in the Pew, all from Deer Park. Coincidence? Or are you posting under several names?
CLCL

Eastchester, NY

#53 Oct 23, 2008
Being a great Pro-Life advocate IS admirable, however, it does not give Msgr. Lisante carte blanche to trample all over the parishioners or to allow his minions to threaten our former beloved Pastor, Fr. Mason. Per Modern Priest Blog:

Two weeks ago Peter Rapanaro was heard boasting in the rectory that if people kept attacking him, Fr. Mason would have to pay for it.

Just given the rubber stamp of approval by Bishop Murphy, Rapanaro seemingly felt secure enough to threaten revenge on Fr. Mason as a way of silencing parishioners who protested his presence as music minister in the parish, since he is well-known as the director of "My Big Gay Italian Wedding," a vulgar and blasphemous play celebrating gay marriage and filled with jokes about oral sex, pedophile priests and the Catholic faith.

That's reprehensible enough, but the fact that Msgr. Lisante allows this questionable character to go around on church property publicly threatening the elderly and much-esteemed former pastor is beyond my ability to comprehend.

THAT SAYS IT ALL. Furthermore,(nange4JPL) if you consider following the teachings of the Catholic Catechism, as it is written and sanctioned by the Pope (remember him?) a "An outdated, childish view of Jesus", then I suggest you do YOUR homework and read your Catholic Catechism. And...even further than that: I too have contributed to saving thousands of unborn lives with my thousands of dollars in contributions to REAL Catholic organizations like Judy Brown and The American Life League. Talk about getting off topic...so great, he's a great pro-lifer and he's done a fabulous job hiding his other agendas behind that cloak...too bad for Msgr. Lisante that the parishioners of OLL see right through that facade.
maryanntc

Brooklyn, NY

#54 Oct 23, 2008
Get Informed wrote:
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First of all young man address him as Monsignor he has earned that title. And if the Priests at OLL taught you something contrary to Monsignor's sermon last week, they why would sitting next to Peter Rapanoro make you uncomfortable they are human beings. A Gay Man does not make him or any other Gay Man a Pedophile. Gay Men don't prey on boys Pedophiles do while you are at school please educate yourself and don't insult others intelligence.
By the way, this isn't just any "Gay Man," but a man who openly associates with gays and drag queens and who directed a play celebrating gay marriage, with jokes about pedophile priests and
other disgusting things. In addition, this particular "Gay Man" is still under investigation by the Diocese for "serious accusations." I'd say 'young catholic' has a far better handle on things than you do, with all due respect.
Get Informed

Watertown, CT

#55 Oct 23, 2008
catholiceye wrote:
Allow me to propose a truce, since I really don't like sparring with nice Catholics like you people from Rockville Centre and Elmont:
You can have Msgr. Jim back at St. Thomas (but please don't feel obliged to send us Frank Maniscalco!) We'd even be happy to help Msgr. Jim pack his bags and be there to wave him off with smiles and handshakes all around.
Isn't there some other friendly conservative (preferably young)priest around somewhere who could come to OLL? Please, Bishop Murphy???
Why so you can complain about someone else that you can't bully around.
ProLifeMom

Brooklyn, NY

#56 Oct 23, 2008
The fact is that Diamond Jim has let all this happen right under his nose. I would not give him the dignity of the term Msgr. I would CHOKE at calling him Fr. He may be a priest... but he is a disgusting example of a human being the way he is treating that poor retired pastor. Phulllease... let's stop fooling ourselves!

I'm with you "Sleeping in the Pews". Perhaps they could fool the man in the pew before Al Gore invented the internet... but this is the information age! the modernpriest.blogspot.com guy (or gal) has done their research on DJ and the diocesan hacks are OFFENDED! Too bad!

It's not who they ARE that disgusts... IT'S WHAT THEY TEACH that is ICKY!

It is no more bigotry to be disgusted sitting next to someone who promotes sodomite entertainment like MBGIW than it is bigotry to be disgusted standing next to Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton near the communion rail. Ecchhh!

I think the people in the parish have a MORAL OBLIGATION to get the guy outta there ASAP.

Do WHATEVER it takes!

Write letters to Rome... EMBARRASS THE BISHOP IF YOU HAVE TO. This guy is a SNAKE!
Get Informed

Watertown, CT

#58 Oct 23, 2008
maryanntc wrote:
<quoted text>
By the way, this isn't just any "Gay Man," but a man who openly associates with gays and drag queens and who directed a play celebrating gay marriage, with jokes about pedophile priests and
other disgusting things. In addition, this particular "Gay Man" is still under investigation by the Diocese for "serious accusations." I'd say 'young catholic' has a far better handle on things than you do, with all due respect.
So what if he associates with Gays or Drag Queens last time a checked that doesn't make them criminals, and when this so called investigation comes up false I will have a good laugh at you and many others with all due respect.
Get Informed

Watertown, CT

#59 Oct 23, 2008
ProLifeMom wrote:
The fact is that Diamond Jim has let all this happen right under his nose. I would not give him the dignity of the term Msgr. I would CHOKE at calling him Fr. He may be a priest... but he is a disgusting example of a human being the way he is treating that poor retired pastor. Phulllease... let's stop fooling ourselves!
I'm with you "Sleeping in the Pews". Perhaps they could fool the man in the pew before Al Gore invented the internet... but this is the information age! the modernpriest.blogspot.com guy (or gal) has done their research on DJ and the diocesan hacks are OFFENDED! Too bad!
It's not who they ARE that disgusts... IT'S WHAT THEY TEACH that is ICKY!
It is no more bigotry to be disgusted sitting next to someone who promotes sodomite entertainment like MBGIW than it is bigotry to be disgusted standing next to Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton near the communion rail. Ecchhh!
I think the people in the parish have a MORAL OBLIGATION to get the guy outta there ASAP.
Do WHATEVER it takes!
Write letters to Rome... EMBARRASS THE BISHOP IF YOU HAVE TO. This guy is a SNAKE!
Yeah poor father Mason, Monsignor treats him so bad he just got some nice new living quarters didn't he. Please write the letters to Rome and the Bishop do Monsignor the biggest favor so you can screw up your parish some more.
nange4JPL

Bronx, NY

#60 Oct 23, 2008
ProLifeMom wrote:
The fact is that Diamond Jim has let all this happen right under his nose. I would not give him the dignity of the term Msgr. I would CHOKE at calling him Fr. He may be a priest... but he is a disgusting example of a human being the way he is treating that poor retired pastor. Phulllease... let's stop fooling ourselves!
I'm with you "Sleeping in the Pews". Perhaps they could fool the man in the pew before Al Gore invented the internet... but this is the information age! the modernpriest.blogspot.com guy (or gal) has done their research on DJ and the diocesan hacks are OFFENDED! Too bad!
It's not who they ARE that disgusts... IT'S WHAT THEY TEACH that is ICKY!
It is no more bigotry to be disgusted sitting next to someone who promotes sodomite entertainment like MBGIW than it is bigotry to be disgusted standing next to Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton near the communion rail. Ecchhh!
I think the people in the parish have a MORAL OBLIGATION to get the guy outta there ASAP.
Do WHATEVER it takes!
Write letters to Rome... EMBARRASS THE BISHOP IF YOU HAVE TO. This guy is a SNAKE!
ICKY? How old are you??
ProLifeMom

Brooklyn, NY

#61 Oct 23, 2008
I remember picketing an abortuary years ago when McGann was bishop. Lisante was actually harassing the pro lifers! He never even got his hands dirty. The pro life office in the diocese WAS HIS JOB! There were three of 4 ELDERLY priests who were arrested that year. THOUSANDS of lay people were arrested for blocking entrance to several abortuaries.

LISANTE NEVER SO MUCH AS CAME TO AN ARRAIGNMENT.

My money is on the modernpriest.blogspot.com person! From what I have read they are no longer part of OLL! That's too bad. Come back and fight WITH us so we can get rid of this guy for good!

When will you pro lifers realize that Lisante is a shill for the other side? He may be an unwitting shill... but he is a shill nonetheless.

And as far as the TITLE Msgr... It is a DISGRACE to the Catholic Church that McGann ever gave him that title.

There are many courageous bishops in this country... but I'm afraid none of them are from Long Island.

If Murphy was not so AFRAID of Lisante... perhaps he could do something!
CLCL

Eastchester, NY

#62 Oct 23, 2008
The vast majority of "pedophiles" involved in the scandals within the Catholic Church were....drum roll please: GAY MEN! A.K.A. GAY PRIESTS - which is, of course, an oxymoron!
Not ALL gay men are pedophiles, this is true...but the vast majority of pedophiles are GAY MEN. And his "gayness" is not the issue here, the issue is his BLASPHEMY towards Catholicism and Catholics et al, with his disgusting play: "My Big Gay Italian Wedding".
GO TO: www.modernpriest.blogspot.com for all the information anyone needs regarding Peter Raparanaro & Matthew Blockley - two additions that the Monsignor foisted upon OLL in just the first three months of his tenure.
Being GAY is not the issue here; you're so blinded by your defense of Msgr. Lisante that you've lost sight of what these parishioners are saying.
Live by your "blog name" and please GET INFORMED!
nange4JPL

Bronx, NY

#63 Oct 23, 2008
ProLife Mom?
Why are you so rude and disrespectful to Msgr. Jim?

Such childish behavior from a grown woman (?)

ps Why no female Altar servers? Are your daughters less important than your sons??

That ought to get you peole going!!!
ProLifeMom

Brooklyn, NY

#64 Oct 23, 2008
Yeah! PALATIAL apartment! He has a NICE HOT PLATE!

Have you seen the inside of the remodeled Rectory! Boy... that priest Blockley REALLY HAD NICE TASTE! Too bad he's still MIA.

Birds of a FEATHER!!!

Lisante is really sure looking SAD in those 3 pictures with Marissa Berenson!!!

This one:
http://modernpriest.blogspot.com/2008/10/lisa...

AND This one:
http://modernpriest.blogspot.com/2008/10/lisa...
CLCL

Eastchester, NY

#65 Oct 23, 2008
And, further regarding Monsignor Lisante's affiliation with Peter Rapanaro and Matthew Blockley (we still don't know why he's on the run):

This statistical information may prove relevant:
Pedophilia is the crime of sexually molesting a child of the opposite sex. Pederasty, on the other hand, is the crime of molesting a child of the same sex.
The term pedophile is used as a general term to describe a person who molests any child, and the term pedophilia, however, is commonly used to refer to child sexual abuse in general. The homosexual who molests a child of the same sex, therefore, technically is guilty of pederasty, rather than pedophilia - yet both are child sexual abuse.
Homosexuals deny that there is a high incidence of child molestation among them, but the statistics tell another story.

How prevalent is child molestation among homosexuals?
The Gay Report, published by homosexual researchers Jay and Young in 1979, revealed that 73 percent of homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys 16 to 19 years of age or younger.5 (5. K. Jay and A. Young, The Gay Report (New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275.)

Although homosexuals account for less than two percent of the population. they constitute about a third of child molesters.6 (6. K. Freund and R.I. Watson, "The Proportions of Heterosexual and Homosexual Pedophiles Among Sex Offenders Against Children: An Exploratory Study," Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 18 (Spring 1992): 3443, cited in "The Problem of Pedophilia," op. cit. Also, K. Freund and R.I. Watson, "Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality," Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 10 (Fall 1984): 197, cited in NARTH Fact Sheet.) Further, as noted by the Encino, Calif.-based National Association for research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH),

"since homosexual pedophiles victimize far more children than do heterosexual pedophiles, it is estimated that approximately 80 percent or pedophile victims are boys who have been molested by adult males.7 (7. Thomas Schmidt, Straight and Narrow? Compassion and Clarity in the Homosexuality Debate (Downers Grove, IU.: Intervarsity Press), p. 114, cited in "The Problem of Pedophilia, op. cit., p. 2.)

A nationwide investigation of child molestation in the Boy Scouts from 1971 to 1991 revealed that more than 2,000 boys reported molestations by adult Scout leaders.(Note: The Scouts, who have 150,000 Scoutmasters and assistant Scoutmasters, ban hundreds of men each year from scouting out of concern that they might abuse boys.)8 (8. Patrick Boyle, Scout's Honor (Rocklin, Calif.: Prima Publishing, 1994), p. 3l6.)
A study of Canadian pedophiles has shown that 30 percent of those studied admitted to having engaged In homosexual acts as adults, and 91 percent of the molesters of non-familial boys admitted to no lifetime sexual contact other than homosexual.9 (9. W. L. Marshall, et al., "Early onset and deviant sexuality in child molesters," Journal of interpersonal Violence 6 (1991): 323-336, cited in "Pedophilia: The Part of Homosexuality They Don't Want You to see," Colorado for Family Values Report, Vol. 14, March 1994.)

WITH A SCHOOL AND ALTAR BOYS READILY AVAILABLE ON SITE AT OLL..I'D SAY EMPLOYING THE DIRECTOR OF THAT VILE PRO-GAY, ANTI-CATHOLIC PLAY IS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN TO THE PARENTS OF THOSE CHILDREN! Wouldn't you? This is not a witch hunt; the guy had his own website chock full of gay goings on and proudly displaying his direction of the "My Big Gay Italian Wedding" play. Sheesh... what does a guy have to do to get labeled around here?
Get Informed

Watertown, CT

#66 Oct 23, 2008
For you information ProLifeMom please get your facts straight Monsignor was arrested in his earlier years during a vigil at an abortion clinic, surprised you didn't find these facts out as well. I will not even dignify your response to his title, you are a disgrace as a Catholic for saying such things.
ProLifeMom

Brooklyn, NY

#67 Oct 23, 2008
You know what would be fun (AND EDUCATIONAL) to do: Create a BLOG called WDLRS (What Did Lisante Really Say).

Perhaps modernpriest.blogspot.com WOULD LINK TO US!

We could record the homilies and then transcribe them each weekend and do RED COMMENTS underneath the interesting bits (You know... Just like Fr. Z does at http://wdtprs.com/blog/
)

We could rotate it to a different family each weekend and then you would only have to write one up ONCE EVERY THREE OR FOUR MONTHS MONTHS!(Less if we include the teenagers in on it... and they are CERTAINLY UP TO THE TASK). If our husbands joined in IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY TERRIFFIC!

I think it would be a GREAT WINTER PROJECT.

The days of blind clerical (pay, pray, obey) are OVER! I teach my kids that just because some bishop of nun (who wears her habbiton her lapel) said it does not mean it's SO!

I actually know stenography and there are certainly enough of us to go around and make sure we cover DJ's ONE MASS A WEEK!
nange4JPL

Bronx, NY

#68 Oct 23, 2008
CLCL wrote:
Being a great Pro-Life advocate IS admirable, however, it does not give Msgr. Lisante carte blanche to trample all over the parishioners or to allow his minions to threaten our former beloved Pastor, Fr. Mason. Per Modern Priest Blog:
Two weeks ago Peter Rapanaro was heard boasting in the rectory that if people kept attacking him, Fr. Mason would have to pay for it.
Just given the rubber stamp of approval by Bishop Murphy, Rapanaro seemingly felt secure enough to threaten revenge on Fr. Mason as a way of silencing parishioners who protested his presence as music minister in the parish, since he is well-known as the director of "My Big Gay Italian Wedding," a vulgar and blasphemous play celebrating gay marriage and filled with jokes about oral sex, pedophile priests and the Catholic faith.
That's reprehensible enough, but the fact that Msgr. Lisante allows this questionable character to go around on church property publicly threatening the elderly and much-esteemed former pastor is beyond my ability to comprehend.
THAT SAYS IT ALL. Furthermore,(nange4JPL) if you consider following the teachings of the Catholic Catechism, as it is written and sanctioned by the Pope (remember him?) a "An outdated, childish view of Jesus", then I suggest you do YOUR homework and read your Catholic Catechism. And...even further than that: I too have contributed to saving thousands of unborn lives with my thousands of dollars in contributions to REAL Catholic organizations like Judy Brown and The American Life League. Talk about getting off topic...so great, he's a great pro-lifer and he's done a fabulous job hiding his other agendas behind that cloak...too bad for Msgr. Lisante that the parishioners of OLL see right through that facade.
I am overwhelmed by your kindness and christian humility! Read your gospels, you are more of an old testament person I'm afraid. Jesus challenged the hypocrites--he didn't ask them to pass a litmus test to follow him. So yes, Jesus was an intelligent savior, filled with unimaginable love for His fellow man--What do you think he would say of your harsh and nasty judgement of Msgr.Lisante (and thats' his title whether you like it or not!)--

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