WestSideIslip

West Islip, NY

#82 Jan 30, 2013
Vocal Majority wrote:
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Uhhh, your warning of impending litigation doesn't hold water.
You referenced a matter inwhich an anonymous poster defamed someone by posting that person had committed adultery. Additionally, the anonymous poster then posted threats against that person.
In the anonymous posts about south shore center and all individuals involved, no threats of any kind made against individuals or entities. Additionally, defamation can only be found if 1)the statement (post) is proven to be false;
2)the false statment (post)can be proven by the accuser to have had a negative impact on their life or livelihood.
Did you know that although this case has been filed in Tennessee, the courts have yet to decide whether there's enough merrit to even issue a judicial subpoena for the anonymous poster's IP address?
Hold off on offering posters free legal advice because it's wrong.
Elected officials serve the people, managing the resources of others. Along with this stewardship, there is an expectation from the public that in conducting daily activities, the officials will practice fairness and equality. They are also expected to maintain openness in their workings to ensure that they are operating within the public's perception of what is "right."
If these officials sign on for this job, they know full well that the public will hold them to standards of accountability and scrutiny. It's a joke when the dialogue is threatened by law suits to shut people up.
At jessica

Weehawken, NJ

#83 Jan 30, 2013
Jessica, i have nothing against you, i am sure you do your best with your kids and really care about what is going on. I just dont understand why you would want to put yourself and your family through the abuse you constantly take by posting on line with your full name. Sure it would be great if everyone chose to use their real names but they dont and that leaves you at a distinct disadvantage in these very public discussions. The focus beomes all of the nasty things people say about you and whatever argument you have, no matter how valid, gets lost in the crap and personal insults people hurl around. For the sake of your own opinion and argument you should just post in anonymity like most everyone else. Having your name there to show everyone that you dont care what they think like some kind of martyr is just silly. Besides, think of your family who has to also deal with "jessica is drunk" whispers and all of the other nasty things as well. Do you want your kids exposed to that? As it relates to your opinion, no one cares who you are and posting without your name does nothing to lessen the merits of your argument.
As far as this sslc mess, i think most people would be ecstatic to have a day care in there. It's not about this type of business going in there. its also not so much about helene. The problem with this deal is the closeness that annmarie larossa has to this process. Annmarie has an association with this sslc, whether she owns that particular location or not she still is associated with it. She is also an influential member of the board who because of that is in a position to influence the deal. She also has a relationship with helene, that also makes this troublesome. Helene should realize all of this would raise the hackles of many. Helene did not decide to move overnight which leads many to believe that when the town was talking about closing two elementary schools both annmarie and helene already had thought of it as a possible move for the business. There is just a question of whether or not annmaries position on the board had any influence over this process? Also, a conflict of interest could exist if annmarie, using her board position and access to information over the years made decisions and cast votes based on an outcome for her or her friends business. For example, did she have inside knowledge of enrollment info and access to confidential board discussions where she knew years ago a school would be closed and then vote to continue to have improvements made in order to benefit herself or her friend? I also believe it is a blatant conflict of interest to have a public school board member running a private school in the same community at any point in time. We all know that just because her name is not on the lease of west islip location that some kind of deal where she benefits from it could exist. Someone else had posted that with all of the talk over the years about duplicitous actions of this board of ed in town you would think they would be more mindful of the image they present in deals like this. My thought is that in spite of all of the meetings and such they have with the community they really do not care in the end what a big part of the town thinks because they know that the vast majority in the end simply wont vote or get involved. Thats on us as a ommunity. So its not about your friend helene or her business per say, its about annmarie and whether or not she used her influence to benefit her or her friend. If you cant see that because you are so busy defending yourself on public forums like this, one more reason to not use your name.
Jessica Horvath

Central Islip, NY

#84 Jan 30, 2013
Thanks for your concern whoever you are, but don't worry about it. As for the "Jessica is drunk" whispers, I am not drunk so I don't really care. Rumors are always flying and as long as I know and the people I care about know what is true it doesn't matter to me, and that is what I want to teach MY kids. Not trying to be a martyr, just trying to teach them to stand up for what they think is right and to stand up against bullying.

Next, Annmarie is a politician and knows EVERYONE. Any local business moving in would run into the same problem. Helene stays away from board meetings and stays out of all things political. Any one who goes to that school knows this is true. I understand you don't like the looks of it, I agree it could look bad, but South Shore has been in West Islip forever and as most of the students that attend that school live in West Islip, she would like to stay in West Islip and I appreciate that because it is a great school and I don't want to have to drive somewhere else to bring my kid to school.

If Helene was getting a deal I could be on your side, but she is getting no deal. She is paying what Bridges is paying and what the others have paid. She is getting the same "deal" as every other tenant, but no one has anything to say about that.
WestSideIslip

West Islip, NY

#85 Jan 30, 2013
At jessica wrote:
Jessica, i have nothing against you, i am sure you do your best with your kids and really care about what is going on. I just dont understand why you would want to put yourself and your family through the abuse you constantly take by posting on line with your full name. Sure it would be great if everyone chose to use their real names but they dont and that leaves you at a distinct disadvantage in these very public discussions. The focus beomes all of the nasty things people say about you and whatever argument you have, no matter how valid, gets lost in the crap and personal insults people hurl around. For the sake of your own opinion and argument you should just post in anonymity like most everyone else. Having your name there to show everyone that you dont care what they think like some kind of martyr is just silly. Besides, think of your family who has to also deal with "jessica is drunk" whispers and all of the other nasty things as well. Do you want your kids exposed to that? As it relates to your opinion, no one cares who you are and posting without your name does nothing to lessen the merits of your argument.
As far as this sslc mess, i think most people would be ecstatic to have a day care in there. It's not about this type of business going in there. its also not so much about helene. The problem with this deal is the closeness that annmarie larossa has to this process. Annmarie has an association with this sslc, whether she owns that particular location or not she still is associated with it. She is also an influential member of the board who because of that is in a position to influence the deal. She also has a relationship with helene, that also makes this troublesome. Helene should realize all of this would raise the hackles of many. Helene did not decide to move overnight which leads many to believe that when the town was talking about closing two elementary schools both annmarie and helene already had thought of it as a possible move for the business. There is just a question of whether or not annmaries position on the board had any influence over this process? Also, a conflict of interest could exist if annmarie, using her board position and access to information over the years made decisions and cast votes based on an outcome for her or her friends business. For example, did she have inside knowledge of enrollment info and access to confidential board discussions where she knew years ago a school would be closed and then vote to continue to have improvements made in order to benefit herself or her friend? I also believe it is a blatant conflict of interest to have a public school board member running a private school in the same community at any point in time. We all know that just because her name is not on the lease of west islip location that some kind of deal where she benefits from it could exist. Someone else had posted that with all of the talk over the years about duplicitous actions of this board of ed in town you would think they would be more mindful of the image they present in deals like this. My thought is that in spite of all of the meetings and such they have with the community they really do not care in the end what a big part of the town thinks because they know that the vast majority in the end simply wont vote or get involved. Thats on us as a ommunity. So its not about your friend helene or her business per say, its about annmarie and whether or not she used her influence to benefit her or her friend. If you cant see that because you are so busy defending yourself on public forums like this, one more reason to not use your name.
This was an excellent commentary!
WestSideIslip

West Islip, NY

#86 Jan 30, 2013
Jessica Horvath wrote:
Thanks for your concern whoever you are, but don't worry about it. As for the "Jessica is drunk" whispers, I am not drunk so I don't really care. Rumors are always flying and as long as I know and the people I care about know what is true it doesn't matter to me, and that is what I want to teach MY kids. Not trying to be a martyr, just trying to teach them to stand up for what they think is right and to stand up against bullying.
Next, Annmarie is a politician and knows EVERYONE. Any local business moving in would run into the same problem. Helene stays away from board meetings and stays out of all things political. Any one who goes to that school knows this is true. I understand you don't like the looks of it, I agree it could look bad, but South Shore has been in West Islip forever and as most of the students that attend that school live in West Islip, she would like to stay in West Islip and I appreciate that because it is a great school and I don't want to have to drive somewhere else to bring my kid to school.
If Helene was getting a deal I could be on your side, but she is getting no deal. She is paying what Bridges is paying and what the others have paid. She is getting the same "deal" as every other tenant, but no one has anything to say about that.
No, this is very specific to these two ladies. It would not be the same with anyone else, why are you saying that? They were business partners working very closely together, were they not?
crazy in WI

West Babylon, NY

#87 Jan 30, 2013
kindermom wrote:
Why is this news now? My child went to SSLC last year and it mention right after the close they were going to move over to it. Why a year after is this a big deal.
????? Right after the close??????? Hello red flag?????
At jessica

Weehawken, NJ

#88 Jan 30, 2013
Jessica Horvath wrote:
Thanks for your concern whoever you are, but don't worry about it. As for the "Jessica is drunk" whispers, I am not drunk so I don't really care. Rumors are always flying and as long as I know and the people I care about know what is true it doesn't matter to me, and that is what I want to teach MY kids. Not trying to be a martyr, just trying to teach them to stand up for what they think is right and to stand up against bullying.
Next, Annmarie is a politician and knows EVERYONE. Any local business moving in would run into the same problem. Helene stays away from board meetings and stays out of all things political. Any one who goes to that school knows this is true. I understand you don't like the looks of it, I agree it could look bad, but South Shore has been in West Islip forever and as most of the students that attend that school live in West Islip, she would like to stay in West Islip and I appreciate that because it is a great school and I don't want to have to drive somewhere else to bring my kid to school.
If Helene was getting a deal I could be on your side, but she is getting no deal. She is paying what Bridges is paying and what the others have paid. She is getting the same "deal" as every other tenant, but no one has anything to say about that.
Annmarie does not know "everyone". I don't know her and most of my friends and neighbors really dont know her either. So saying any business moving in there would be subject to this scrutiny is simply not true. But annmarie does know helene and is/ has been associated with the sslc. That is the problem here. The fact that her association with he board and the sslc makes this whole deal raise eyebrows and look "fishy", especially in light of the fact that she was the deciding vote to close westbrook. And this is not about westbrook closing, the same raised eyebrows would occur if it was oquenock, it is about an elected official possibly being involved in a deal in which she used her influence as a board member to benefit herself and/or a friend...at taxpayers expense. What we as a community need is to see exactly what kind of deal was given to helene and the basis for that deal. As a building owned by the public we have a right to that information.
I dont believe anyone is against helene in this...yet. It would depend on the deal she got and how she got it. I do believe that once again this board of ed has shown a complete disregard for appearances as well as creating a situation which leaves their decision making open to serious question and doubt simply because they do an extremely poor job at transparency and public relations.
Jessica Horvath

Brentwood, NY

#89 Jan 30, 2013
At jessica wrote:
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Annmarie does not know "everyone". I don't know her and most of my friends and neighbors really dont know her either. So saying any business moving in there would be subject to this scrutiny is simply not true. But annmarie does know helene and is/ has been associated with the sslc. That is the problem here. The fact that her association with he board and the sslc makes this whole deal raise eyebrows and look "fishy", especially in light of the fact that she was the deciding vote to close westbrook. And this is not about westbrook closing, the same raised eyebrows would occur if it was oquenock, it is about an elected official possibly being involved in a deal in which she used her influence as a board member to benefit herself and/or a friend...at taxpayers expense. What we as a community need is to see exactly what kind of deal was given to helene and the basis for that deal. As a building owned by the public we have a right to that information.
I dont believe anyone is against helene in this...yet. It would depend on the deal she got and how she got it. I do believe that once again this board of ed has shown a complete disregard for appearances as well as creating a situation which leaves their decision making open to serious question and doubt simply because they do an extremely poor job at transparency and public relations.
Again, she is not getting a deal. She is not getting a bargain price. She is not getting any sort of special treatment at all. And AGAIN, Annmarie has not been associated with the West Islip school in YEARS. YEARS. At least 3-4 YEARS. Maybe you think she is because people like to insist that she is, but that is simply not true. Are you meaning to tell me that you think there was some plot hatched years ago in which Annmarie would have the other SSCC that she is no longer a partner in take over West Islip? Get the facts right before you speculate about favors being done.
crazy in WI

West Babylon, NY

#90 Jan 30, 2013
who decided the rate?
At jessica

Weehawken, NJ

#92 Jan 30, 2013
Jessica Horvath wrote:
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Again, she is not getting a deal. She is not getting a bargain price. She is not getting any sort of special treatment at all. And AGAIN, Annmarie has not been associated with the West Islip school in YEARS. YEARS. At least 3-4 YEARS. Maybe you think she is because people like to insist that she is, but that is simply not true. Are you meaning to tell me that you think there was some plot hatched years ago in which Annmarie would have the other SSCC that she is no longer a partner in take over West Islip? Get the facts right before you speculate about favors being done.
You seem to know so what exactly is the rate the sslc is getting for renting the space at westbrook? How do you know she is not getting "any sort of special treatment"? Were you involved in the negotiations? Did you speak to helene about his deal? You are presenting yourself as if you know all of the details of this deal so why don't you tell us all of the details as well as how you were privy to the information because, i believe, that is all people like me want, the facts of how this deal was made and the details of what it is composed of. You keep presenting yourself as some kind of expert so enlighten us! How do you know annmarie has not been associated with the sslc "for years"? Simply because you have not seen her there? Are you so intimate with helene that you know all of her behind the scenes business deals or who comes and goes to her business, or her home? You tell me to "get the facts right" yet you are the one posting here as if you know all of he details of this deal and intimate knowledge of the goings on of annmarie and helene. Part of your problem jessica is you hystericlly post things that you present as absolute yet you have no basis to do so. If you know something concrete and factual, not based on what you think or feel, then let us know. It could be helpful. Otherwise you are just coming off as a raving mad person. I admit i do not know all of the facts, that is what i seek, but you post here as if you do. I dont know if some secret plot was hatched by her years ago, maybe there wasn't, but then again, maybe there was. Can you answer that either way for sure? No you can't. That is the point and that is why i just want to know the facts. I don't assume to know them, which is why i wont judge annmarie or helene. On the other you also do not know the facts (again, if you do let us know), yet you have already judged them and found them not guilty.
Board Biz

West Babylon, NY

#93 Jan 30, 2013
business group of people decided to save a ton of $$$. Westbrook was heading downhill education wise so it was good it was shut down. Think most people knew that thats why they happy they went to the other schools. Who cares who rents it out., The building could be breading rats nowthat it is empty south shore is a class act and perfect for that place.
Jessica Horvath

Brentwood, NY

#94 Jan 30, 2013
At jessica wrote:
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You seem to know so what exactly is the rate the sslc is getting for renting the space at westbrook? How do you know she is not getting "any sort of special treatment"? Were you involved in the negotiations? Did you speak to helene about his deal? You are presenting yourself as if you know all of the details of this deal so why don't you tell us all of the details as well as how you were privy to the information because, i believe, that is all people like me want, the facts of how this deal was made and the details of what it is composed of. You keep presenting yourself as some kind of expert so enlighten us! How do you know annmarie has not been associated with the sslc "for years"? Simply because you have not seen her there? Are you so intimate with helene that you know all of her behind the scenes business deals or who comes and goes to her business, or her home? You tell me to "get the facts right" yet you are the one posting here as if you know all of he details of this deal and intimate knowledge of the goings on of annmarie and helene. Part of your problem jessica is you hystericlly post things that you present as absolute yet you have no basis to do so. If you know something concrete and factual, not based on what you think or feel, then let us know. It could be helpful. Otherwise you are just coming off as a raving mad person. I admit i do not know all of the facts, that is what i seek, but you post here as if you do. I dont know if some secret plot was hatched by her years ago, maybe there wasn't, but then again, maybe there was. Can you answer that either way for sure? No you can't. That is the point and that is why i just want to know the facts. I don't assume to know them, which is why i wont judge annmarie or helene. On the other you also do not know the facts (again, if you do let us know), yet you have already judged them and found them not guilty.
I spoke to Helene. I asked her. She is the owner of my sons preschool and my other kids went there- I have known Helene for 8 years in this capacity. I feel comfortable enough asking these questions and she honestly answers them. She has no reason to lie to me as at the next BOE meeting the lease information will be provided. It is no secret. She is paying what Bridges is paying. Call a board member and ask them. It is no secret. If you went to a Board meeting or kept up with what is happening you would know that the going rate is roughly $10 a square foot.$10 a square foot is what the market can tolerate. That is it. There is NO SPECIAL TREATMENT. Get it through your head. Better to have a tenant in the building paying the going rate than waiting for the magical cash cow that may never show up.
Jessica Horvath

Brentwood, NY

#95 Jan 30, 2013
At jessica wrote:
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You seem to know so what exactly is the rate the sslc is getting for renting the space at westbrook? How do you know she is not getting "any sort of special treatment"? Were you involved in the negotiations? Did you speak to helene about his deal? You are presenting yourself as if you know all of the details of this deal so why don't you tell us all of the details as well as how you were privy to the information because, i believe, that is all people like me want, the facts of how this deal was made and the details of what it is composed of. You keep presenting yourself as some kind of expert so enlighten us! How do you know annmarie has not been associated with the sslc "for years"? Simply because you have not seen her there? Are you so intimate with helene that you know all of her behind the scenes business deals or who comes and goes to her business, or her home? You tell me to "get the facts right" yet you are the one posting here as if you know all of he details of this deal and intimate knowledge of the goings on of annmarie and helene. Part of your problem jessica is you hystericlly post things that you present as absolute yet you have no basis to do so. If you know something concrete and factual, not based on what you think or feel, then let us know. It could be helpful. Otherwise you are just coming off as a raving mad person. I admit i do not know all of the facts, that is what i seek, but you post here as if you do. I dont know if some secret plot was hatched by her years ago, maybe there wasn't, but then again, maybe there was. Can you answer that either way for sure? No you can't. That is the point and that is why i just want to know the facts. I don't assume to know them, which is why i wont judge annmarie or helene. On the other you also do not know the facts (again, if you do let us know), yet you have already judged them and found them not guilty.
And clearly your reading skills are lacking. If you were actually paying attention to what I have written you would know....My kids have been going to South Shore for the last 8 years. When that East Islip location opened up Annmarie went over there and was never over in West Islip. I know this because I LIVED IT. I know because my daughter - WHO IS IN THIRD GRADE NOW - went to the East Islip location the year it opened up for summer camp. So since reading isnt your strong point, maybe math is??? Do the math and let me know.......she has been over there for about 5 years. In the last five years, I have seen Annmarie over in the West Islip location maybe ONE TIME. And that one time was in the very beginning when they first opened up that East Islip location.

Not claiming to be an expert but I do see and know what is happening since I am there ALL THE TIME and have been FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
Jessica Horvath

Brentwood, NY

#96 Jan 30, 2013
crazy in WI wrote:
who decided the rate?
The market determines the rate.
housewives of west islip

Bay Shore, NY

#97 Jan 30, 2013
If you want the facts, you should contact the Superintendent of schools and ask him the facts. If you were really interested in the facts, and not just mean spirited gossip, innuendo and garbage you should go directly to the source. It is pretty naive of you to think that anything posted here has any truth to it.
housewives of west islip

Bay Shore, NY

#98 Jan 30, 2013
that was meant for "at Jessica" not jessica Horvath
WestSideIslip

West Islip, NY

#99 Jan 30, 2013
Jessica Horvath wrote:
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The market determines the rate.
Can you please explain how a small storefront in West Islip, like the dollar store on Union, can go for 7500.00 a month in rent, but 15,000 square feet in Kirdahy is rented for 13,500.00?
WestSideIslip

West Islip, NY

#100 Jan 30, 2013
For example, the "Painted Present" in West Islip,
Total Space Available:896 SF Rental Rate:$20 /SF/Year Property
Type:Retail Property
Sub-type:Strip Center
Gross Leasable Area:896 SF

Last Updated 63 days ago
crazy in WI

West Babylon, NY

#101 Jan 30, 2013
Jessica Horvath wrote:
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The market determines the rate.
and where do I find out what the market determines?
WI Resident

West Islip, NY

#102 Jan 30, 2013
If you want answers as to the rent per sf and what's included dont ask the ding dongs on here. Call Jamie Winkler. She is the RE Agent for this and will have the correct answers. She put the rumors to rest on The Patch with the correct information and shut up the people who were spouting off wrong figures. GO TO THE SOURCE its very simple.

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