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Newsday replacing some home delivery contractors -- Government,...

There are 46 comments on the Newsday story from Jun 4, 2008, titled Newsday replacing some home delivery contractors -- Government,.... In it, Newsday reports that:

Newsday has reached into the ranks of its network of home delivery agents as a cost-cutting measure, as the paper reviews its agreements with independent contractors.

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Real Facts

New York, NY

#21 Jun 9, 2008
We all admit that way back when, paper boys made good money for an afterschool job for a 14 year old.

Can anyone explain to me how the system works today, and how much money there is to be had?

I recently saw a show where the husband and wife both delivered papers. This was their only job, and while they did live in a trailer, they seemed to have a pretty good life.

Can you really make a living on Long Island delivering papers?
cpy

Brooklyn, NY

#22 Jul 14, 2008
Jane from Babylon wrote:
<quoted text>i know, i worked in circulation too until HW, "the paper killer" axed most of the employees. and before Newsday did collections and carriers were responsible for collections, Newsday would resell the paper to deadbeats and the delivery person would be the one that would be stiffed again and again.
My understanding is that Newsday has cut the agents and carriers profits right down to the bone. I saw my carrier delivering my newspaper in weather fit for neither man nor beast. The Carriers are out there in crazy weather, Ice, Snow, blizzard conditions, crazy winds. Risking his life to deliver me a paper?
Newsday continues to make it imposable for the very people they rely on to make their home delivery program successful, make a living.
Getting back to the article. The agents are contracted independents. They are not employees. But they are treated like employees.. I heard that they keep amending their contracts with unfair and excessive penalty fees and whatever else suites their bottom line, fare or unfair. If someone stops the paper because they just do not want it any more. But they say stop because of bad service. The agent has to pay a penalty fee of $150.00. Three or four stops and he has made nothing no salary for the week. They pay for all insurances. There is so much involved in delivering the newspaper, I was shocked. They have the Responsibility to deliver the paper to thousands of homes without missing one, and make sure the newspaper is dry and on time. For years Newsday payed for plastic bags, Now Bags are paid for by the agent. still without an increase in pay. On my way to work with my neighbor who is/was an independent agent. had never received a pay increase. As Newsday cut the agents profits they kept lowering the percentage of the incentives so that it almost impossible to reach so to receive their much needed bonuses. How much could these people really make? In mid contract Newsday had them bid for their own area. Most agents lost their areas. So the New agent would walk into a sweet new business they can call their own. And take over what it took 10+ years for my neighbor and other agents to build. The fired agents well oiled machine, business and all his loyal carriers are to work for the New Independent. It was lost because of a bidding war. The Agencies are given to the lowest bidder. They were to bid for pennies less per paper. How can they do this to the independent contractor before his contract is up? Doesn't a contract protect? My friend is heart broken. He thought If he continued to do a good job His contract protected him. Where is the dignity in requiring someone to bid for his own business for less pay and then thank the Master for even considering him? Where is the apprieciation? They had a successful business and now someone else is benefiting from their years of hard work. I think this is so very wrong. Who can Fight a company with an army of lawyers? Does the little guy have any rights? Remember David? His weapon of choice was a sling shot and five smooth stones.
Jane from Babylon

Corning, NY

#23 Jul 16, 2008
cpy wrote:
<quoted text>My understanding is that Newsday has cut the agents and carriers profits right down to the bone. I saw my carrier delivering my newspaper in weather fit for neither man nor beast. The Carriers are out there in crazy weather, Ice, Snow, blizzard conditions, crazy winds. Risking his life to deliver me a paper?
Newsday continues to make it imposable for the very people they rely on to make their home delivery program successful, make a living.
Getting back to the article. The agents are contracted independents. They are not employees. But they are treated like employees.. I heard that they keep amending their contracts with unfair and excessive penalty fees and whatever else suites their bottom line, fare or unfair. If someone stops the paper because they just do not want it any more. But they say stop because of bad service. The agent has to pay a penalty fee of $150.00. Three or four stops and he has made nothing no salary for the week. They pay for all insurances. There is so much involved in delivering the newspaper, I was shocked. They have the Responsibility to deliver the paper to thousands of homes without missing one, and make sure the newspaper is dry and on time. For years Newsday payed for plastic bags, Now Bags are paid for by the agent. still without an increase in pay. On my way to work with my neighbor who is/was an independent agent. had never received a pay increase. As Newsday cut the agents profits they kept lowering the percentage of the incentives so that it almost impossible to reach so to receive their much needed bonuses. How much could these people really make? In mid contract Newsday had them bid for their own area. Most agents lost their areas. So the New agent would walk into a sweet new business they can call their own. And take over what it took 10+ years for my neighbor and other agents to build. The fired agents well oiled machine, business and all his loyal carriers are to work for the New Independent. It was lost because of a bidding war. The Agencies are given to the lowest bidder. They were to bid for pennies less per paper. How can they do this to the independent contractor before his contract is up? Doesn't a contract protect? My friend is heart broken. He thought If he continued to do a good job His contract protected him. Where is the dignity in requiring someone to bid for his own business for less pay and then thank the Master for even considering him? Where is the apprieciation? They had a successful business and now someone else is benefiting from their years of hard work. I think this is so very wrong. Who can Fight a company with an army of lawyers? Does the little guy have any rights? Remember David? His weapon of choice was a sling shot and five smooth stones.
Your post is right on target. There's a big gap between the elitist leftist snobs who write the editorials and the salaried circulation lackeys who on a daily basis strive to cut the agents' bottom line so that no one can earn a decent living and then just like you wrote--they encourage other agents (and outsiders) to underbid each other for a few pennies. delivering the paper for less $$ is the main reason Newsday wanted illegals to have valid drivers licenses. With the cost of gas, it shouldn't be long before they reach a breaking point and no one will deliver the newspaper anymore.
Real Facts

New York, NY

#24 Jul 16, 2008
Jane from Babylon wrote:
<quoted text>Your post is right on target. There's a big gap between the elitist leftist snobs who write the editorials and the salaried circulation lackeys who on a daily basis strive to cut the agents' bottom line so that no one can earn a decent living and then just like you wrote--they encourage other agents (and outsiders) to underbid each other for a few pennies. delivering the paper for less $$ is the main reason Newsday wanted illegals to have valid drivers licenses. With the cost of gas, it shouldn't be long before they reach a breaking point and no one will deliver the newspaper anymore.
Will it ever go back to the 14 year old delivering 50 papers on his bike?
Jane from Babylon

Corning, NY

#25 Jul 21, 2008
Real Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Will it ever go back to the 14 year old delivering 50 papers on his bike?
no. what 14 yr old can travel several miles to a distribution center by 3:00am the latest, and then bag and deliver about 300 newspapers by 5:30am? and do this every day (with Sundays' papers weighing a ton) except for Christmas Day and regardless of weather.
Real Facts

New York, NY

#26 Jul 21, 2008
Jane from Babylon wrote:
<quoted text>no. what 14 yr old can travel several miles to a distribution center by 3:00am the latest, and then bag and deliver about 300 newspapers by 5:30am? and do this every day (with Sundays' papers weighing a ton) except for Christmas Day and regardless of weather.
But this is my point. Years ago, us then 14 year olds would go after school and get our papers, often several miles from where we delivered and/or lived. Then we would pick up 30-50 papers, plus inserts. We would insert when needed, and drop off the parts for Sunday at home.

Kids who had routes learned what it was like to have your own business. You had to make the deliveries, deal with accounts payable and receivable, as well as deal with sometimes irate customers.

When I was older, I always said I would always hire someone that had a paper route, and never hire someone who worked at a gas station, as those people tended to just sit around all day/night in a booth.

Perhaps Newsday took advantage of the kids, but personally, I think the kid carriers learned a lot about the real world. Today, all kids seem to do is play video games, and learn about the fake world.
Jane from Babylon

Corning, NY

#27 Jul 22, 2008
Real Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
But this is my point. Years ago, us then 14 year olds would go after school and get our papers, often several miles from where we delivered and/or lived. Then we would pick up 30-50 papers, plus inserts. We would insert when needed, and drop off the parts for Sunday at home.
Kids who had routes learned what it was like to have your own business. You had to make the deliveries, deal with accounts payable and receivable, as well as deal with sometimes irate customers.
When I was older, I always said I would always hire someone that had a paper route, and never hire someone who worked at a gas station, as those people tended to just sit around all day/night in a booth.
Perhaps Newsday took advantage of the kids, but personally, I think the kid carriers learned a lot about the real world. Today, all kids seem to do is play video games, and learn about the fake world.
I don't know how accurate it is, but Newsday blamed USA Today for the shift to having to deliver an early morning rather than an evening newspaper. I agree though--it was a great learning experience and helped to develop a work ethic. I miss that--especially when shopping in a supermarket or retail store when I'm the only one saying "thank you" and the clerk doesn't even grunt a hello or thank you at the beginning or the end of the transaction. Nor do they have a vested interest in retaining you as a customer.
Real Facts

New York, NY

#28 Jul 22, 2008
Jane from Babylon wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know how accurate it is, but Newsday blamed USA Today for the shift to having to deliver an early morning rather than an evening newspaper. I agree though--it was a great learning experience and helped to develop a work ethic. I miss that--especially when shopping in a supermarket or retail store when I'm the only one saying "thank you" and the clerk doesn't even grunt a hello or thank you at the beginning or the end of the transaction. Nor do they have a vested interest in retaining you as a customer.
Not to venture too far into the political side, but this is where I agree that the US has gotten “soft”.

With very low unemployment, I have noticed that those people that are in the “service industry”, do not seem to really care.

I have called Friday’s to place a pick up order, only to be placed on “Endless Hold”. Attempting to call from my other line results in a busy signal.

I too have had better conversation with the “Scan Your Own” machine than I have had with the cashier at Home Depot.

I have had the cashier at Waldbaum’s stand there while I am bagging my own order (isn’t this YOUR job?!?!)

And, as is often my complaint, with record ridership, the LIRR decided beginning in June to make my morning train two cars shorter, thus insuring me of the cattle car experience every day. They are unable to collect tickets after Jamaica, so their revenue is down even though the train is packed to the rafters.

No one seems to care anymore.
Jane from Babylon

Corning, NY

#29 Jul 23, 2008
Real Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Not to venture too far into the political side, but this is where I agree that the US has gotten “soft”.
With very low unemployment, I have noticed that those people that are in the “service industry”, do not seem to really care.
I have called Friday’s to place a pick up order, only to be placed on “Endless Hold”. Attempting to call from my other line results in a busy signal.
I too have had better conversation with the “Scan Your Own” machine than I have had with the cashier at Home Depot.
I have had the cashier at Waldbaum’s stand there while I am bagging my own order (isn’t this YOUR job?!?!)
And, as is often my complaint, with record ridership, the LIRR decided beginning in June to make my morning train two cars shorter, thus insuring me of the cattle car experience every day. They are unable to collect tickets after Jamaica, so their revenue is down even though the train is packed to the rafters.
No one seems to care anymore.
On topic, is that Newsday outsourced its Home Delivery Customer Service Dept. to an Asian country a few years ago. That was a nice part time job for many LI students and seniors.

One place that good service hasn't left are most Mom & Pop restaurants and stores in many Long Island villages. I'll never go to a Friday's when I can order take-out from Tricia's Cafe or the Greek Diner in Babylon. I'll shop Talbots or on-line before I drive to the Mall.

Excellent point about the RR. I often take the 6:27pm express to Babylon and it is packed until Jamaica and then they come thru to check tickets when the train is half empty. Instead of collecting fro the increased ridership, they'll raise the prices of the Mail & Ride customers who pay regardless of whether a ticket is punched.

The common thread to all of the above is poor management and displacement of American workers, i.e. there was a time when driving a bus and working in a department store were full-time jobs with benefits. now, it is low-paying, mostly part-time with no benefits or sent offshore whenever possible.
Ron from LI

Brooklyn, NY

#30 Aug 1, 2008
Jane from Babylon wrote:
<quoted text>Your post is right on target. There's a big gap between the elitist leftist snobs who write the editorials and the salaried circulation lackeys who on a daily basis strive to cut the agents' bottom line so that no one can earn a decent living and then just like you wrote--they encourage other agents (and outsiders) to underbid each other for a few pennies. delivering the paper for less $$ is the main reason Newsday wanted illegals to have valid drivers licenses. With the cost of gas, it shouldn't be long before they reach a breaking point and no one will deliver the newspaper anymore.
Newsday has crossed the line. They can not hire independant contractors and then treat them like
employees. This is an old and new trend. Newsday saves on all needed insurances. The Agents are required to pay for unemployment ins. and every other insurance as independants. What a scam, to have control without any responsability. They use fear to keep these small business people to comply with their bulling, They will continue to do business like this for as long as Newsday can get away with it. Cablevision is now a part of this, wether they know it or not. If this is investigated, they will be opening up a big can of worms. They will also find out that Newday circulation dept is still inflating their circulation base. Shame shame shame on them.
Real Facts

New York, NY

#31 Aug 1, 2008
Ron from LI wrote:
<quoted text>
Newsday has crossed the line. They can not hire independant contractors and then treat them like
employees. This is an old and new trend. Newsday saves on all needed insurances. The Agents are required to pay for unemployment ins. and every other insurance as independants. What a scam, to have control without any responsability. They use fear to keep these small business people to comply with their bulling, They will continue to do business like this for as long as Newsday can get away with it. Cablevision is now a part of this, wether they know it or not. If this is investigated, they will be opening up a big can of worms. They will also find out that Newday circulation dept is still inflating their circulation base. Shame shame shame on them.
Perhaps they need to read the microsoft decision concerneing independent contractors. In short, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. If you have people called "contractors", they are there for a while, you set their work schedule, etc, then they are defacto employees.
Jane from Babylon

Corning, NY

#32 Aug 1, 2008
Ron from LI wrote:
<quoted text>
Newsday has crossed the line. They can not hire independant contractors and then treat them like
employees. This is an old and new trend. Newsday saves on all needed insurances. The Agents are required to pay for unemployment ins. and every other insurance as independants. What a scam, to have control without any responsability. They use fear to keep these small business people to comply with their bulling, They will continue to do business like this for as long as Newsday can get away with it. Cablevision is now a part of this, wether they know it or not. If this is investigated, they will be opening up a big can of worms. They will also find out that Newday circulation dept is still inflating their circulation base. Shame shame shame on them.
the Newsday circulation dept also recently started to demand that the agents give them all the employment details (names, contact info and rates including tips) of the independent carriers that the agents hires. it doesn't get any closer to an employer/employee relationship to that. and you're right about the fear factor. What incentive is there to build a successful business if Newsday Circulation is constantly encouraging people to take it away from you. It's like building up a successful deli business in a strip mall and the landlord tells others to offer him another penny on the rent and the business will be theirs.
acarrier

Bronx, NY

#33 Jul 3, 2009
Joe wrote:
They might want to replace some of the delivery people they have, too. We have a paperbox that says "Newsday" on it, but they still throw the paper on the ground.
Yes, of course, You are one of those customers who don't tip and want your paper with donuts and coffee delivered to your door at 4 am...ahh I forgot... and doubled bagged every day... Fire the carriers...YESSSS.. who's going to deliver the papers ? Perhaps You ?
acarrier

Bronx, NY

#34 Jul 3, 2009
mlk wrote:
I use to be a paperboy.
What happened to the youth of America? Ohh yea they were replaced by illegal aliens. NO wonder Newsday supports illegal aliens.
LOL and I bet You are one of those who complaint about your delivery service LOL...
acarrier

Bronx, NY

#35 Jul 3, 2009
alleycat wrote:
<quoted text>
You are absolutely wrong...youth carriers had a definite profit structure built into the price of the paper not including tips. If you had a 100 paper route when you were younger you made at least 70 bucks a week plus tips..probably closer to 130 to 150 a week depending on tips. I spent 25 years in the circulation dept. mainly in the Huntington area...I probably know you.
I guess You are one of those fortunate kids of the past...Could You say the same about present time ? hmmm ?
former carrier

New York, NY

#36 Jul 6, 2009
acarrier wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, of course, You are one of those customers who don't tip and want your paper with donuts and coffee delivered to your door at 4 am...ahh I forgot... and doubled bagged every day... Fire the carriers...YESSSS.. who's going to deliver the papers ? Perhaps You ?
i had a route and didn't last very long. not only is it one of the most physically exhausting jobs i've ever had, people were so inconsiderate and forget about tipping--didn't pay the lousy $4 something a week it cost for the paper--that i had to lay out first. this was several years ago before newsday did the billing. they would resell to deadbeat customers and i would get stiffed again. and it always cracked me up how many fatties had sport utility vehicles, but couldn't walk 5 feet and bend over and pick up their newspapers. the little bit of monies made wasn't worth what it did to my car and it is no wonder newsday has a problem finding people to deliver by 5am in all kinds of weather 364 days a year.
Tipping blows

Brooklyn, NY

#37 Jul 6, 2009
I take the Steve Martin approach and basically overtip. Rarely am I thanked. Did you notice on some receipts they show tip calculations. They base it on the bill including tax. Why do they expect tip on the tax. No sob stories from you waitresses either.
Melissa

United States

#38 Sep 28, 2009
For all you little lazy people that cant pick up your paper from your driveway, you should just keep backing out of your driveway and go to the store. It pisses me off that these people have the nerve to complain but your paper im sure is on time when its in your driveway... Did you ever think that we have to use brakes to stop and drive on the wrong side of the road for all the little faggots that want their paper in their TUBE... Your such lazy little good for nothings who tip like crap and act like we should deliver you coffee while we are out the delivering your paper!
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Brooklyn, NY

#40 Aug 30, 2010
Mitch, of the farmingdale depot was recently spotted with prostitutes allegedly using drugs. (crack cocaine)

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