15th ave bookstore can be driven out ...
Nothing to Do I Guess

Naperville, IL

#28 Dec 7, 2008
My god......don't you have anything better to do than meddle in the private lives of others? Have you been "harmed" by the bookstore? Is this a hangout for drug dealers? Has there been an increase in crime? Have any minors been approached or solicited? If the answer is no, then go Christmas shopping and forget about it.
RoseyHarve

Chicago, IL

#29 Dec 7, 2008
it's just life in melrose park for a lot of these people. my guess is at one time, they had an in there, and now they don't. so, they throw stones. i wish this is all i had to worry about. i hope this is all they have to worry about.

Since: Dec 08

Downers Grove, IL

#30 Dec 7, 2008
As long as they keep throwing raincoaters like yourselves out the place will keep going just fine.

Seems like a lot of effort to drive a mile into an industrial area to stare at normal people who enjoy sex.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#31 Dec 8, 2008
The misconceptions about how this is all harmless fun is endless. I posted a bit about the AIDS issue that arises from this adult bookstore and others like it. Mostly because that's a serious deadly issue and deserves to be mentioned more then most. There is also issues that are not health related. If you visit wealthy towns you won't find any adult bookstores. You find adult bookstores in unincorporated areas or in towns on the decline. We fool ourselves in Melrose thinking its only about payoffs to the local politicians and cops. But this also effects our property value too. This adult bookstore on 15th ave is not that far away from homes. The perverts that go there would like you to believe its in an industrial area far from anyone. Not true do a mapquest to show milage. You'll see homes and schools less then a mile away. Maybe even your home. These perverts that want this adult bookstore in our town don't have one in there town. They don't want their property value to go down. They prefer to come here for their illegal sex then later go back to their safer and wealthier town. Lets raise our property value and close down this bookstore. If the perverts want this bookstore so much let them build it in their own town. That's if their local politicians, cops, and neighbors would let them. I doubt it don't you ?
RoseyHarve

Chicago, IL

#32 Dec 8, 2008
what makes you say the local politicians and cops are getting paid off by this place? Do you have any evidence? or is this just another ramble? for you to say, state, as fact, that the village officials and cops are getting paid to keep this place open, bring on the evidence. take it to the us attorney's office. if you are stating an opinion, say it's your opinion. all these accusations with nothing to back it up ruins whatever credibility you have. you sound as if you are spewing sour grapes. what are those sour grapes?
JacBwhiney

Downers Grove, IL

#33 Dec 8, 2008
Other than the acual residents of boubonnais there is nothing else in the world that could lower proerty values there.Hard to blame a place 2 hrs away for it.

I suggest to raise property values and improve the community that the idiot off himself and end all our misery due to his existance.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#35 Dec 10, 2008
GOOD NEWS we are starting to make a dent.
Business is bad at the bookstore. The owner has dropped his price to get in.
It gets better.
The hookers have moved their parties to hotel parties. Even the hookers don't feel safe there.
DEC6 -- Dec 17th - Dec 31st
all three parties now in a hotel..
That is a huge loss of money for the bookstore. And it sets the tone for the future.
It gets even more better
They are now openly admitting that bookstores can be closed down. Here is a post from one of their groups. Relax its clean
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That is very interesting Janey. They outlawed the book stores here in Virginia Beach and Norfolk VA. The nearest one is in whaleyville 2 hours away.
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I'm sure they'll now be more careful what they post and they will post some confusion too. But that doesn't matter because they need these group to promote their perversion. So its a no win for them. But we haven't entirely won yet. The bookstore is still here. We need to keep going to run them out of business. Later i'll organize some info to help everyone to silently, strongly, and SAFELY work towards getting rid of this bookstore and its perverts. Time is on our side. So is the weather. Even perverts can be stopped by bad weather.
Ant G

Chicago, IL

#36 Dec 10, 2008
Original Village Idiot wrote:
MISCONCEPTION. One of the major misconception people have about adult bookstores and the one on 15th in particular is that its just between consenting adults. Just harmless fun no one gets hurt and no one needs to know about it. But that just isn't true. Sex in a bookstore is illegal. That's a fact they'll never tell you. The reason they won't tell you is because then they'll have to address why its illegal. Its not a crime because of morality. Its a crime because its so dangerous as to be a threat to society. AIDS is spread through UNPROTECTED SEX USUALLY BETWEEN STRANGERS. This bookstore and others like it is where you find such sex. They would like you to believe the people going here are upstanding members of society. Well they may have such jobs but they are not nice people. They are perverts who don't care that they might be bringing home a deadly disease to their mate. They won't even allow for FREE testing at this bookstore. If they don't care about the health of their mate do you think they care about your life ? Where do you think rapist go for sexual release besides raping someone ? Maybe this is the place where they go to build up their emotions before they go out into our community. If this is such a great place why do they not want any attention ? Any good legal business would love to have FREE publicity. After all its just consenting adults having harmless risk free fun right ? Or is it perverts enjoying dangerous deadly illegal sex without concern to their partners there or at home ? Ask a cop what goes on in there. Then ask how you can help.
Your statement about AIDS makes it sound as if that's the only way it is spread. My concern is how do you know this "illegal" sex is unprotected? Do you have proof? Why is this sex illegal anyway? Are you saying sex is illegal only at this bookstore? Why not tackle other locales where sex is illegal. People have sex in hotels all the time, is that illegal? Sybaris is in business as a sex destination, i.e. they cater to couples (or more) who are going there implicitly to have sex. By your specious arguments they should also be illegal. As well as the many "fantasy room motels" that are around.

You're statement about the rapist is equally unreasonable. Do you have proof of that? I also feel that statement is counter-productive. If the rapist is going here to avoid actual rape, would it not be advantageous to ensure this place stays open as much as possible. Or do you advocate rape? For me I abhor rape and if, as you stated, "a rapist is going to go here for sexual release besides raping someone", I think that positive far outweighs the negatives you put forth.

Finally let me say that I don't have a care in the world whether this places stays open, closes or burns to the ground, but it upsets me to see someone try to impose his morals on other individuals in this free society that we live, and I fought for, in!

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#37 Dec 10, 2008
Since your comments sound different then the comments usually written by the perverts at Melrose i'm going to respond to it this one time only. My focus is on removing this bookstore not in engaging dialogue. And i've more then once made the points you missed. But here goes again. And in the order you present them.
1 ) In the perverts ygroups there are plenty of pics and video's showing the unprotected sex at this various bookstore. Links were even included in various threads on this forum. Help yourself.
2 ) AIDS is spread through only a few ways and again i've covered that in various topics. The most popular way AIDS is spread is through UNPROTECTED sex. As for tainted blood who do you think has the tainted blood in the first place ? Even if it was 50/50 between them and drug user needles and these perverts that's still a high risk.
3 ) Laws vary throughout the state that's why i been pushing for new laws at a STATE level. LOL you really need to read all my posts you've missed a lot of info. But nevertheless its illegal at all bookstores. This bookstore however is a Mecca for perverts. Or do you know a bigger one in IL ? I could use your help.
4 ) The laws are way different for sex at any hotel. I've already posted this is all about laws not about morality. But thanks for the tip i'll be sure to include that when i expand my list of misconceptions that the perverts try and use to deflect the real focus. And if they pass a law saying sex at a bookstore is legal i'll stop. Show me that law anytime.
5 ) Let me clarify the rapist angle for you. I said rapist go her not for release but for building up their emotions. It heightens them. It inspires them. Rape is not about the sex act itself its about power they feel over someone from having sex. Having sex at the bookstore would not empower them because its not forced or real to them but it does encourage them. I recommend you do some research like i have. Talk to the police, and medical experts on these topics. Its an eye opener.
6 ) Lastly i'm not doing this to impose morality on anyone. Take note i never once posted about the issues of gender, marriage, race, religion, etc. My only comments on marriage is that someone stepping outside their marriage could bring AIDS into the family. No spouse deserves to be infected because of these perverts. Its not about morality its about medical issues and the law.
Since you say you don't care then you don't need to follow this anymore. And now i can get back to my real focus of running this bookstore out of town and hopefully out of IL. We need new STATE laws to deal with this.
JacBwhiney

Downers Grove, IL

#38 Dec 10, 2008
Still mad you can't get in eh ?
Wrong Info Given Out

Westmont, IL

#39 Dec 10, 2008
How many adult book stores are in the state of Illinois and how many of those are you trying to pinch? It's obvious that you have targeted this particular establishment for your own political gain or warped personal beef.

If you invested half your internet troll time with your families, your world would be a much better place and you might be happy.

This is the UNITED STATES and we do have FREEDOMS. People are free to visit wherever they want be it ball parks, museums, book stores, synagogues or whatnot. If you don't like someplace, don't go there. If you don't want your family or friends going there, then lock them in your basement.

If you live in Lombard, Bourbannais, Wilmette, Joliet or anywhere other than Melrose Park, what is your concern with this LEGAL and LEGALLY ABIDING business?

Let's get a few things straight:

1) There is NO solicitation allowed or prostitution going on at 15th Ave ABS. I know for a fact that management runs hookers out of there and they do not come back.

2) There are NO prostitution parties going on in the store or anywhere on the premises. 15th Ave ABS does not hold, condone or endorse hotel parties nor do they have anything to do with them.

3) The 15th Ave Yahoo site was not run by or with the permission of the 15th Ave establishment and it was with pressure from 15th Ave that the group was shut down. Why? Because people in that group were making up things about the place just as you people are. For all anyone knows, you're the same people.

4) 15th Ave has never been raided, shut down, subpoenaed or seen any of its patrons or staff arrested or even harassed. The Melrose Park police arrived on the scene ONCE to see if there was any truth to allegations made of the place and, upon finding that the allegations were indeed FALSE, have not been back.

The police seem to be doing their jbs very well because they do make premise checks at all different hours - just as they do at McDonald's, Jewel and Toys 'R Us. I wouldn't want to go to such a place if there wasn't that kind of safety check.
Village Idiot wrote:
If you need proof that our efforts are working then visit the link below and read the post which i copied exactly. it shows that they are scared to go the bookstore when cops are even driving down the street. Just imagine the effect if cops went inside and made an arrest. We need to increase this kind of pressure on this bookstore.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wild-milf-women...
Q smither tripleqxxx - Poster of message below
Latest on 15th Melrose Park
Anybody can tell me what happened to the latest 15th yahoo group? Adults Social Fun seems to have been deleted. Last time the group was deleted, the moderator automatically put me on this last one, but now it's gone.
Also, what's the story with Melrose these days? Haven't been in awhile after all the cops and harassing that was posted. Maybe it's better now after the elections. I have a new Slut that I want to take there during the daytime, but not going to risk getting a stupid "safety check" ticket down in Melrose Park. We'd play someplace else then.
JacBwhiney

Downers Grove, IL

#40 Dec 10, 2008
I hope the village idiot gets busted for filing all those false reports with cops and other agencies.

Doing time for this felony offense could be just what he needs.
ruthere

Sylvan Lake, Canada

#41 Dec 10, 2008
You have the right name

Instead f going around making suggestions and I am saying suggestions because other wise what you say is illegal in itself.

Dont you realize that what you are suggesting in itself is illegal.

What you are doing or saying that you are doing is "STALKING" ,which you can get Jail time for.

Before you start criticizing the Police make sure you know the law. They can not go into a premises without being invited or a complaint raised by the propieters and what happens behind closed doors not locked doors is no ones business.

If you continue and the business does in fact lose business because of your actions then you can be held responsible for the loss of business.

Taking pictures without a release from people in the picture is breaking the law itself.

And you have accused people of being involved in prostitution, unless you have proof you can be charged with defamation of character which is pretty serious when others being convicted of it have received sentances uwards to 20 years.

And the last I will comment on, where do you get your research information from, that fantasy cloud floating in your head. Rapist attending the book store. Rapist if you knew anything about research doesnt matter what a woman is wearing or where she is. It is the opportunity presenting itself. Why do you think so many cases are from when someone breaks in to a home and does the deispcable act of cowardice when the face cannot be seen.

Do you actually stay up at night dreaming these things up.

Where is your evidence, where is the proof.

You dont have a clue and the comment if the police went in and made arrests what would it do.

They will be sued for false arrest, thats what will happen. And to make a statement that they can go in , read your civil law before saying that and you will find you are way off in left field.

Have a nice day
Original Village Idiot wrote:
MISCONCEPTION. One of the major misconception people have about adult bookstores and the one on 15th in particular is that its just between consenting adults. Just harmless fun no one gets hurt and no one needs to know about it. But that just isn't true. Sex in a bookstore is illegal. That's a fact they'll never tell you. The reason they won't tell you is because then they'll have to address why its illegal. Its not a crime because of morality. Its a crime because its so dangerous as to be a threat to society. AIDS is spread through UNPROTECTED SEX USUALLY BETWEEN STRANGERS. This bookstore and others like it is where you find such sex. They would like you to believe the people going here are upstanding members of society. Well they may have such jobs but they are not nice people. They are perverts who don't care that they might be bringing home a deadly disease to their mate. They won't even allow for FREE testing at this bookstore. If they don't care about the health of their mate do you think they care about your life ? Where do you think rapist go for sexual release besides raping someone ? Maybe this is the place where they go to build up their emotions before they go out into our community. If this is such a great place why do they not want any attention ? Any good legal business would love to have FREE publicity. After all its just consenting adults having harmless risk free fun right ? Or is it perverts enjoying dangerous deadly illegal sex without concern to their partners there or at home ? Ask a cop what goes on in there. Then ask how you can help.
Out of Towners

Des Moines, IA

#42 Dec 10, 2008
Wow, there is medication available for this type of Obsessive compusiveness.

You seem obsessed with this store that is out of everybody's way, calling people perverts and whores that go in there. Have you seen money exchange hands for sex there? Do you observe whether there is the use of condoms or not? You seem to know a lot about this place or at least think you know alot when if fact you are doing nothing but spreading rhetoric.

And while you obsess about this, calling police, lawmakers, etc; you take their attention away from real crime. Yes while you focus on this consentual place of business, drug dealers are selling crack to your kids, people are getting raped and murdered or robbed, etc; aren't these the things you should be standing up against?

There is NO prostitution going on at these parties. Nobody is being forced to do anything that they don't desire to do. If I was back in high school and went to a keg party and paid $10 for a cup, hooked up with a girl at the party, would she be considered a prostitute? Would the host of the party be considered as such?

We all have our perversions to various degrees, however, you spouting off at the mouth "original village idiot" is perverse in itself. Were you refused admission to one of these parties and this is your way of getting back? You can't be THAT proud of what you're doing here because if you were people here would actually know who you are instead of this "nickname" you use (at least it's appropriate for a nick).

Why don't you let up on this place and fight your vigilante fight against those who actually hurt people? Oh I know, because those type of people could hurt you back and these bookstore patrons are "easier" prey.
Ant G

Chicago, IL

#43 Dec 10, 2008
1. You're right I didn't really research your past posts. Mea culps. As for checking out the pics and videos, no thanks I'll take your word for it!
2. I'm pretty certain that HIV is spread through unprotected sex whereas AIDS is an afliction due to HIV. That was the point I was trying to make.
3. I hear you and no I don't know of any others. I don't really know of this one but hey no harm no foul.
4. So you have no problem with this kind of activity taking place at a hotel in melrose park? Even if this hotel/motel is in close proximity to a school or homes? What about if it's in a private residence in melrose park? I think my whole thing is that you are mixing your arguments. On one hand you call these individuals (or perverts) prostitutes. Then you go on to say that it's illegal to have sex in the bookstore. If these women (or men) are indeed prostitutes then that would mean their sex for hire is illegal in any venue, as there are a veritable plethora of anti-prostitution laws on the books.
5. Your rape theory is still specious because the proliferation of the internet has enabled anyone with a mouse to find all the "emotional buildup and inspiration" they need from the comfort of home. Your logic is treading dangerously close to the defense argument of the rapist was inundated by porn and that's what made him rape. No need to research or talk to the police or medical personnel. I have been able to see the results of rapes in my capacity as an officer of the UMCJ. It is no good to say the least.
6. You are in fact attempting to impose your morality on others even if you state that you're not. The fact that you have made it your mission to "police" the activities of others is a moral crusade. Your concern of spouses being infected with "AIDS" is tantamount. By your reasoning you should be focusing on anyone having any sort of extra-marital affair, or someone with outside interests in a monogamous relationship.
I don't believe you are a village idiot. Your arguments are lucid and coherent, but your fervor jumps around too much. To the casual observer it seems that you have a personal vendetta against the establishment or its owners. That being said I think your arguments would be taken more to heart if you focus strictly on the illegality of the activities in the bookstore and not the bookstore in and of itself. If the laws are not there to assist you, then maybe your focus should be on getting those new state laws enacted. Although in light of recent developments involving our top state government officials, I think you face an uphill battle.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#44 Dec 10, 2008
Ant you and i are not that far apart in thinking. Let me clarify a few things and we'll see if we're closer in thought.
3 ) we're splitting hairs on the HIV/AIDS and how it works on people. The main point is its a killer and its spread by unprotected sex. That type of sex is rampant at this bookstore.
4 ) of course i have a problem with wild parties at hotels. LOL i like a good night sleep when i go to one. But as i said its a matter of law. Also the hotel is not condoning dangerous illegal sex this bookstore owner is. As far as prostitution these girls at the bookstore are charging a fee of $55 -$70 per person for their parties. The store owner is charging $20 to walk into the place. Anytime money exchanges hands with sex its prostitution. Ask any cop if any prostitutes he arrested said it was just a donation. Did he still arrest them ? I stand by my comment.
5 ) Rapist will still rape porn or no porn. However the odds increase with porn. I prefer to be on the safer side and close down the bookstore.
Movies do influence us some more then others. Ask a shrink if violent movies factor in a child's behavior. I agree its trends on light ground but it is true.
6 ) here is where we part ways hopefully as friends. If i was to be pushing to close this bookstore based of for example the clientele being homosexual then i would be imposing morality issues. Point in fact its mostly straight people that go there. As i said it was only an example. I have no desire to impose my morality on anyone. I don't care about gender, race, religious beliefs or lack of, etc. Watch all the porn you want if that's your thing. But what this is about are the laws being broken by engaging in sex which is illegal in bookstores. That alone is reason enough to close them down. The fact that the illegal sex is also dangerous sex ( STD ) is another reason to close them down. Its not a morality issue if they put their family at risk. Its a health issue. It also affects anyone who might receive or need blood. And finally its not just about this particular bookstore. I mentioned numerous times i want STATE LEVEL LAWS. Got to start somewhere and this bookstore is the king of these bookstores. LOL i'm guilty of thinking big.
Yes its an up hill battle. Sooner or later you need to decide where you stand. Its not a fence post. It could be a loved one going there catching STD, or catching the eye of one of the creeps leaving this place. Please check this place out. You'll be amazed at the number of creeps you find there. Your choice. I don't impose my issues, morality, life, on anyone. All i've asked is that you do the research fully then decide for yourself. Take notice the other side doesn't present any links, any contacts, or any real info. They don't want you to do any research or ask the police, medical experts, or politicians. They sure won't. I'm going to post my list of contacts. Which include contacts the POLICE THEMSELVES gave me.
Out of Towners

Des Moines, IA

#45 Dec 11, 2008
So if wy wife and I have sex and then I give her some money to go shopping (money exchanging hands) does that then make my wife a prostitute?

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#47 Dec 11, 2008
I'm glad you posted that. It proves my point. Read the reviews. They even mention the open sex going on in front of everyone. I'm not surprised by the rating considering all the reviews were by the perverts that go there. Part of the misdirection on here lately is to blame me for the attention this bookstore is getting. But links like this clearly show the perverts themselves are the ones advertising the open sex at the bookstore. I'm only pointing out they are telling the truth there is illegal open sex going on. That's again for proving it to the rest of those who read these posts.
PDJ

Chicago, IL

#48 Dec 11, 2008
Get a life you busy body this place is for consenting and adults and couples. We are not in Salem in a witch hunt. Obviously your the real pervert going there and looking at the sites and getting you know what than saying it is a terrible thing thats going on. juts stay away You IDIOT!!!

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#49 Dec 11, 2008
For those who keep saying there's no prostitution going on at this bookstore. Well here's part of a post from one of their groups. What kind of a adult bookstore rents rooms by the hour ?
$15.00 MOVIE THEATER AND SPA
SINGLE MALES
$10.00 MOVIE THEATER AND SPA
MEMBERS/COUPLES/SINGLE FEMALES
SPA ROOM RENTALS
$20.00 PER HOUR (REGULAR)
$30.00 PER HOUR (SUITE)

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