King's legacy still cause of debate

Jan 19, 2014 Full story: USA Today 1,088

It is a large legacy that looms over the past five decades, from the prophetic "I Have a Dream" speech delivered during the March on Washington to his last campaign taking a stand for underpaid black sanitation workers in Memphis, the city where he was slain.

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#948 Jun 9, 2014
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> Save your right wing ran for the unwashed, you bigoted closet queer fool. I've had to deal with more struggle than any of you Neanderthal reactionaries can even imagine. And the masses of my people are still struggle to break the historical and contemporary shackles of racial caste and economic exploitation. I've probably accomplished more than you have and with fewer resources. I've moved from the projects to academia, and have not in all this forgotten whence I came.
I am committed to fighting the same system of injustice that King died trying to change; the same system which you--a racist dick sucker of the 1%--help to promote by means of your degrading racism.
One thing I do notice: Whether you reactionaries are racist white pigs like yourself or reactionary black pigs like PunkAssdurratin, you only enter this thread to deflect and disrupt. I guess this is to be expected because you know NOTHING about the legacy of Dr. King, and his revolutionary legacy doesn't fit your reactionary racist agenda.
LOL!!!

Imagine a debate between the white racist rat McAlister and the black racist rat Abdul! They'd be screaming “MARXIST!” at each other.

Abdul's worship of Nkrumah is puzzling as Nkrumah was not a Moslem and clearly was concerned with “economic justice”.

I can only conclude that Abdul is clinically insane.

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#949 Jun 9, 2014
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> The dude you're posting to DESPISES Attai, and the feeling seems to be mutual. Also, I know that many of you racists use the word "nog" because you can't use another "N-word" you'd like to use when referring to Black people. But NEITHER the person to whom you posted nor his nemesis Attai is Black. And since one lives in the American southwest (if he hasn't moved) and the other in Paris, France it is quite impossible by any law of Physics that I know of for them to be the same person. Sina "singing the praises" of Attai? LOL!
It is amusing how BENT these fools are by Attai, however. So I've got to give him credit for that... he has a lot of racists gnashing their teeth.

And they're stupid... have they not noticed that Attai hates Jews as much as they do? You'd think that would create a natural alliance. And with Abdul as well.

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#950 Jun 9, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
And they're stupid... have they not noticed that Attai hates Jews as much as they do? You'd think that would create a natural alliance. And with Abdul as well.
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/jewish-muslim-i...

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Saint Louis, MO

#951 Jun 9, 2014
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> Dr. King talks about economic justice and injustice even as far back as STRIDE TOWARD FREEDOM, and even more so in WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE: CHAOS OR COMMUNITY.
Chapter and verse, you lying b!tch. I read both those books when they were first published, decades ago. I do not recall that phraseology. He may have talked about it. But he did not use those words. You have placed words in MLK's mouth. That is wrong in the context in which you use it. You imply that MLK would have supported your stupid "occupy". I do not think so. MLK did attempt similar with Resurrection City. But it was a colossus failure just like "occupy" was a failure. And I do not think MLK was stupid enough to keep on repeating the same ole mistakes like you are doing.

Savant wrote:
<quoted text> And King favored a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM--and SAID SO.
Chapter and verse, pleas...
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> In case you've not heard a central theme of Social Gospel theology which had such a deep influence on Dr. King was economic justice and the ending of class oppression, especially oppression of the poor, That was a central emphasis of the 8th Century B.C. Hebrew prophets like Amos and Isaiah.
I do not doubt that ALL of Prophesy opposes oppression of man by man. This, of course, includes the Entire Prophesy of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be upon all the Prophets.)

Continued below...

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#952 Jun 9, 2014
Continued from above...
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> And I wonder what in the hell do you think the Poor Peoples Campaign was to be about if not economic justice?
They did not use those words the way you use them. Thus, the meanings are not the same. The Poor people's Campaign (Resurrection City) occurred a few months after MLK's death. It was a failure. And the Movement has never recovered from that failure. What was really called for at that time was Black Power. SCLC rejected Black Power for the most part. And that is why it failed. Right now, Jesse Jackson and people like him and employed by Anhauser Busch, the beer company. SCLC has a little office in downtown Atlanta. It is also on some corporate payroll. That non-sense is irrelevant. It provides a few petty jobs to a handful of people. But it solves no problems for the masses. For me, it is a waste of time. And I still like Jesse on the personal sentimental level. But I would not waste one minute of my time on him and his projects. I base this on my experience as an organizer for the African Revolution. I personally contacted Operation PUSH in Chicago in order to coordinate my work with theirs. They have NEVER responded to any of my efforts to outreach to them. This is not my fault. I simply do not have time to waste of stupid and arrogant bastards like them or like you.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> Why the hell was Dr. King in Memphis supporting the strike by impoverished Black sanitation workers?
They were frustrated and confused. They were groping for solutions which eluded them due to their rejection of Black Power. They essentially rejected Africa. That is why Jesse came out a few years later with "African American". "African American" sounded good. But you must keep in mind that it was a step backwards in that context. The context was and is We Are Africans. So, "African Americans:" effectively reject ted Africa, ; it was a step back, not a step forward. The AU passed a law that granted African citizenship to us here in the USA. So, to say that we are "African Americans in that context is a slap in the face of AU. It is utmost arrogance that benefits no one except the white man. It is divide and conquer.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> If you're going to dispute me on King at least have the good sense to study his thought. But I guess that's asking too much of a so-called Nkrumahist who can read (supposedly) Nkrumah's CONSCIENCISM, NEOCOLONALISM, THE LAST STAGE OF IMPERIALISM and even CLASS STRUGGLE IN AFRICA without noticing Nkrumah's Marxism. You're as dense as those white reactionaries who think that King was a Marxist-Leninist and a Communist.
I do not need to "study" every detail of that bit of history. I LIVED it. I was born and raised outside Memphis. Most of my family still lives there. I personally remember the Sanitation Strike and the march against Fear although I was too young to participate directly. My mom did start the Coop Movement in my hometown. I know the issues from personal experience. I do not need abstract debate on it.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#953 Jun 9, 2014
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> "Stupid POS idiot" by idiotic Assdurratin is stupid Phrase which he thinks to be a critique. And again, King himself spoke of the need to organize working class folk, and King was a philosophical idealist, not a Marxian materialist. But if you want to talk about "abstract Marxist crap" you will find more Marxism in Nkrumah than in either King or myself.
And while the masses certainly need bread on their tables you offer only the dubious commodities of a snake oil salesman. As for my alleged unwillingness to work, I come from a Black working class family; and teaching is honest work as well as a noble vocation--unlike the stupid con you've been running. At any rate, I'm TENURED and expect to spend 25 more years awakening the minds of youth--helping them to see through the sordid scams of slimy hustlers and pimps like you. I think Dr. King would approve.
Foo, you are preaching darkness, not enlightenment.

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#954 Jun 9, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
<quoted text>
Foo, you are preaching darkness, not enlightenment.
Darkness! LOL!!!

this from a follower of the Prince of Darkness---Allah, the mask of Satan.

And what are your reactionary rightwing nutcase afroracists doing for anyone, fool? NOTHING.

You're worse than useless.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#955 Jun 9, 2014
I did not utter one single word against that stupid "occupy" farce while it was going on. But it ended in expected failure. I expected it to do nothing except waste the people's time and burn up energy that should have been invested in something which history has not yet proved to be unworkable such as Resurrection City. In my mind, "occupy" was designed to deflect from real and concrete problems and give Pervert in Chief Obama a free ride. The dumbest POS at Howard U knew it would never work for anything good. And so I reserve my right to criticize all that dishonest and lying Howard U scum. If they need something to do to keep them busy for awhile, I recommend that they un-f**k South Sudan.
Obama Lover

Little Rock, AR

#957 Jun 10, 2014
MLK was a plagiarist that liked to sleep with hookers. What do you know, his brethren turned out like him- thieves, dishonest, lazy, and not committed.

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#958 Jun 10, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
I did not utter one single word against that stupid "occupy" farce while it was going on. But it ended in expected failure. I expected it to do nothing except waste the people's time and burn up energy that should have been invested in something which history has not yet proved to be unworkable such as Resurrection City. In my mind, "occupy" was designed to deflect from real and concrete problems and give Pervert in Chief Obama a free ride. The dumbest POS at Howard U knew it would never work for anything good. And so I reserve my right to criticize all that dishonest and lying Howard U scum. If they need something to do to keep them busy for awhile, I recommend that they un-f**k South Sudan.
Yes, because of course real social change can only be accomplished via Islam. True social justice will be achieved only when the Arabized Nubian traitors in Khartoum can resume raping, slaving and massacring the South Sudanese.

Any follower of Allah would know this, but of course you non-Moslems believe in silly concepts like rights, freedom, justice... you fools! You dupes of Obama the Kenyan terrorist communist Moslem... er... I mean... uh...

Seriously, Abdul, your only usefulness is as an object of satire.

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#959 Jun 10, 2014
The work of Dr. King is being continued by people like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders who fight to bring the country back to its senses and be concerned with THE PEOPLE rather than only the 1%.

And the work of the devil is being continued by Abdul and this little pack of white racist rightwing nutcases who sit on the sidelines name-calling anyone who cares about humanity.

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#961 Jun 10, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
<quoted text>
Chapter and verse, you lying b!tch. I read both those books when they were first published, decades ago. I do not recall that phraseology. He may have talked about it. But he did not use those words. You have placed words in MLK's mouth. That is wrong in the context in which you use it. You imply that MLK would have supported your stupid "occupy". I do not think so. MLK did attempt similar with Resurrection City. But it was a colossus failure just like "occupy" was a failure. And I do not think MLK was stupid enough to keep on repeating the same ole mistakes like you are doing.
<quoted text>
Chapter and verse, pleas...
<quoted text>
I do not doubt that ALL of Prophesy opposes oppression of man by man. This, of course, includes the Entire Prophesy of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be upon all the Prophets.)
Continued below...
Wrong. The bloody Koran advocates genocidal violence against non-Moslems.

The Koran is a recipe for mayhem and madness.

The history of Islam clearly proves this to be true.

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#962 Jun 10, 2014
Storm Warning wrote:
<quoted text>
t a comic book way of looking at reality
It's reality, boy. We have grave social problems in the U$A, mostly exacerbated since the implementation of conservative policies beginning with Reagan, and there is no avoiding it.

Take a look at how the workers are faring these days.

Go get a job at Walmart and tell me how much fun is your comicbook life.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#963 Jun 10, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
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But I am a male, you b!tch.
As for King, he as a nice guy and we all loved him. But his political ideals fell short. He never embraced Pan-Africanism which is the greatest political theory of the previous century. He ne er even mentioned any crazy crap such as "economic justice". That is incoherent non-sensical garbage. MLK wanted such non-sense as "redistribution of the wealth". That is what you are trying to cover with that stupid "economic justice": redistribution".
All I am saying is that for the African Nation, we must be concerned with the creation of new wealth, stop "reparations" and all that stupid crap. We have to get our hands dirty and dig wells and boreholes in the desert so we can grow new crops and feed our starving people.( http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-1... ) Get some self-respect and stop begging the white man for crumbs. That is a waste of time. We can do better than that by embracing Africa. Africa is the richest land on earth. All that is needed is for lazy assss POSes like you to get off your sorryasssses and dig some holes to get the water.
Yes, King called for a radical redistribution fo political and economic power from the haves to the have nots. He wa right and reactionaries like you and your right wing and racist co-workers are wrong. The current distibution of wealth is founded upon imperialist exploitation, slavery and racism. An "Nkrumahist" ought to know this. We I, King of Fanon calll for a redistribution--not mere "sharing" as Obama calls it--we're not "begging the white man" for crumbs. We're calling for a REVOLUTIONARY transformation of the social order. Since most whites ae actually have nots--and can see this when not blindedd by racism and other forms of false consciousness--they too can choose if they wish to join us in the restoration of justice in a human community. Only a hand ful of them were shaveholders even if a majority in the South were duped into supporting the tyrannnical slaveholding elite. Only a handful of them belong to the 1% of the corporate oligarchy. Those who have any sens will join us in the fight to end tyrannical oligarchic rule and establish a REAL democracy.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#965 Jun 11, 2014
Abdurratln wrote:
<quoted text>
Foo, you are preaching darkness, not enlightenment.
Oh lord. Assdurratin is too BLIND to see the light. But fortunately most of my students have open minds capable of learning.

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#966 Jun 11, 2014
Storm Warning wrote:
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you focus on money because you have been brainwashed to believe that is the most important thing in life. The blood is the most important thing regardless of what some zionist jew that owns a tv station tells you. you are your goofy muslim enemy have a lot more in common than you realize you both come here saying mlk changed this and that, her didnt change anything
the jew owned media circus that focused on him when it pleased them made all the changes
right in front of your faces all of you mlk types are nothing more than rats in pavlovs maze
they say treyvone and you scream racism, they cut food stamps and fuel assistance and then give Israel 30 billion more of the taxpayers money 401 to 1 vote you love in Israeli occupied territory.
Well, that was incoherent... another gurgling Nazi too stupid to analyze the world, but there's an easy way out... blame the JEWS!!!

Oh right, I'm brainwashed by TV. All the education I experienced had no effect. I can't analyze, I know no history, I just watch TV and believe whatever Wolf Blitzer tells me.

F U, Nazi pig.

Did I mention you're on the list? LOL!!!

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#967 Jun 11, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
The work of Dr. King is being continued by people like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders who fight to bring the country back to its senses and be concerned with THE PEOPLE rather than only the 1%.
And the work of the devil is being continued by Abdul and this little pack of white racist rightwing nutcases who sit on the sidelines name-calling anyone who cares about humanity.
Rev. Barber and the "Moral Mondays" movement are operating in that tradition.
Even in his first book STRIDE TOWARD FREEDOM (1958) King informs us that at an early age "I had learned the inseparable twin of racial injustice was economic injustice. Although I came from a home of relative economic security and relative comfort, I could never get out of my mind the economic insecurity of many of my playmates and the tragic poverty of those living around me. During my late teens I worked two summers...in a plant that hired both Negroes and whites. Here I saw economic injustice firsthand, and realized that the POOR white was EXPLOITED as much as the Negro. Through these early experiences I grew up deeply conscious of the varieties of injustice in our society." (p. 90).
Notice that Dr. King already sees an intimate and inseparable connection between ECONOMIC EXPLOITATION (economic injustice) and RACIAL OPPRESSION. It's not an either or/or nor does he simply reduce one to the other. But racial and economic injustices are so intertwined that you cannot effective end one without ending the other. This theme becomes even more pronounced in King's public thinking (rather than just private or unspoken convictions) after Selma. And in his book WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE, CHAOS OR COMMUNITY. I've actually shared some of my research on this with you as well as Harrisson, Attai, Soulbrother, Ekdesiladki and a few others.
Timothy

Norfolk, VA

#968 Jun 11, 2014
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Rev. Barber and the "Moral Mondays" movement are operating in that tradition.
Even in his first book STRIDE TOWARD FREEDOM (1958) King informs us that at an early age "I had learned the inseparable twin of racial injustice was economic injustice. Although I came from a home of relative economic security and relative comfort, I could never get out of my mind the economic insecurity of many of my playmates and the tragic poverty of those living around me. During my late teens I worked two summers...in a plant that hired both Negroes and whites. Here I saw economic injustice firsthand, and realized that the POOR white was EXPLOITED as much as the Negro. Through these early experiences I grew up deeply conscious of the varieties of injustice in our society." (p. 90).
Notice that Dr. King already sees an intimate and inseparable connection between ECONOMIC EXPLOITATION (economic injustice) and RACIAL OPPRESSION. It's not an either or/or nor does he simply reduce one to the other. But racial and economic injustices are so intertwined that you cannot effective end one without ending the other. This theme becomes even more pronounced in King's public thinking (rather than just private or unspoken convictions) after Selma. And in his book WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE, CHAOS OR COMMUNITY. I've actually shared some of my research on this with you as well as Harrisson, Attai, Soulbrother, Ekdesiladki and a few others.
Many months ago, you have advised me to buy the book "In a Single Garment of Destiny: A Global Vision of Justice."

I brought and the book is an excellent book. It shows a collection of Dr. Martin Luther King's speeches that deals with race, class, apartheid, and other relevant issues that even relate to our time in the early 21st century. The foreword written by Charlayne Hunter-Gault was a beautiful display of prose. She is a great writer too. I can feel her words. Also, the book shows that Dr. King was heavily concerned with Africa and African politics back in the 1950's. Obviously, we should learn about the heroic actions and views of Kwame Nkrumah and others as a means to establish real solutions that will benefit black people and the rest of the human family.

Also, economic justice and racial justice are interrelated, because we can never free as a people unless economic injustice is abolished. The corporate oligarchy of the 1% has done financial crimes against people worldwide and the people have the right to speak up about it. Even the bourgeoisie (among many colors) have exploited the poor, workings, and other oppressed human beings.

The struggle continues, but we will continue to fight for our rightful liberation.

Since: Aug 09

Minneapolis, MN

#970 Jun 12, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, because of course real social change can only be accomplished via Islam. True social justice will be achieved only when the Arabized Nubian traitors in Khartoum can resume raping, slaving and massacring the South Sudanese.
Any follower of Allah would know this, but of course you non-Moslems believe in silly concepts like rights, freedom, justice... you fools! You dupes of Obama the Kenyan terrorist communist Moslem... er... I mean... uh...
Seriously, Abdul, your only usefulness is as an object of satire.
Oh! You are soooo funny. You are hilarious.

Since: Aug 09

Minneapolis, MN

#971 Jun 12, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
The work of Dr. King is being continued by people like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders who fight to bring the country back to its senses and be concerned with THE PEOPLE rather than only the 1%.
And the work of the devil is being continued by Abdul and this little pack of white racist rightwing nutcases who sit on the sidelines name-calling anyone who cares about humanity.
He, he, he. Ha, ha, ha. You make me laugh. Gee you have such a sophisticated and high sense of humor. I needed a laugh this early in the morning, especially when I have not slept in 2 days.

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