Former DHS worker speaks out

Former DHS worker speaks out

There are 285 comments on the groups.yahoo.com story from Oct 28, 2008, titled Former DHS worker speaks out. In it, groups.yahoo.com reports that:

Your opinion please. “There are many of us who realize the task of improving the child protective services in Oklahoma goes beyond just looking at DHS. It does involve the court system, law enforcement in some counties, the contract agencies who turn a blind eye to the unprofessional conduct of the DHS employees, etc. However, none of this can be exposed to the public and, most importantly, to this federal court”... ~Marilyn Rainwater, (Former DHS employee involved in the class action lawsuit and legislative hearings on DHS, she is also a political associate of Gov. Henry and Rep. Morrissette)

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KelseySupporter

Nanuet, NY

#222 May 26, 2010
Sorry, that was wrong of me to ask. It's just that I know ELH, and she is honest and caring. If you WANT to tell her.
ELH

Vancouver, WA

#223 May 26, 2010
DanaL wrote:
<quoted text>I don't get my information from propaganda I get it from facts. You my friend are either a DHS worker or just clueless. You have a lot of your facts wrong about the Kelsey case too. You should read the court reports etc. in this case. Some of us in Oklahoma know a little more about this case then you. You don't even live here so you don't know about alot of things that really went on.
I expect that I have read absolutly everything (including a load of BS claimed by Smith's supporters. And FYI I live in Paris Texas now and was not only raised in Okalhoma I actually knew both Raye Dawn and Lance. I have also seen Raye Dawn's enabling hillbilly mom "in action" more than once and I am pretty sure I know exactly what I am talking about.

Do I think DHS is a fantastic system above all reproch? No. Will I blame a goverment agency that should not even be needed in a decent society for the f'ed up things people do to children? No.

Now, I have a question. Why do you claim that DHS steals childrem for money? It's not like there is a huge adoption market for neglect and/or abused children languishing in foster care.

“DHS steals children for Money”

Since: Aug 08

Edmond, OK

#224 May 26, 2010
ELH wrote:
<quoted text>
I expect that I have read absolutly everything (including a load of BS claimed by Smith's supporters. And FYI I live in Paris Texas now and was not only raised in Okalhoma I actually knew both Raye Dawn and Lance. I have also seen Raye Dawn's enabling hillbilly mom "in action" more than once and I am pretty sure I know exactly what I am talking about.
Do I think DHS is a fantastic system above all reproch? No. Will I blame a goverment agency that should not even be needed in a decent society for the f'ed up things people do to children? No.
Now, I have a question. Why do you claim that DHS steals childrem for money? It's not like there is a huge adoption market for neglect and/or abused children languishing in foster care.
I think you and I have a mis-understanding going on here. I am not a Smith supporter far from it. As for Gayla I have also seen her in action more then once. I was at a rally when they said people needed to donate money for her because of all her legal expenses. My reply was if she is that hard up why doesn't she sell one of her 3 houses. I also thought it was sick for Raye Dawn to try and get half of the lawsuit money. As far as DHS goes they are not the agency they used to be. They don't care anymore about the kids who are being abused they only want the ones they can pick up and adopt quickly for the federal funding from the Social Security Administration. When DHS was first started it was to help children in need not to steal the ones that are really loved. I have no respect for them anymore. I am mad about them letting Yolanda Hunter continue to be a social worker after she admitted she didn't do her job right where Kelsey was concerned. Instead of firing her they put her in charge of Aja Johnson and now she is dead too. So I am sorry if you mis-understood my stand on this I hope it clears things up for you.
KelseySupporter

Nanuet, NY

#225 May 27, 2010
DanaL wrote:
<quoted text>I think you and I have a mis-understanding going on here. I am not a Smith supporter far from it. As for Gayla I have also seen her in action more then once. I was at a rally when they said people needed to donate money for her because of all her legal expenses. My reply was if she is that hard up why doesn't she sell one of her 3 houses. I also thought it was sick for Raye Dawn to try and get half of the lawsuit money. As far as DHS goes they are not the agency they used to be. They don't care anymore about the kids who are being abused they only want the ones they can pick up and adopt quickly for the federal funding from the Social Security Administration. When DHS was first started it was to help children in need not to steal the ones that are really loved. I have no respect for them anymore. I am mad about them letting Yolanda Hunter continue to be a social worker after she admitted she didn't do her job right where Kelsey was concerned. Instead of firing her they put her in charge of Aja Johnson and now she is dead too. So I am sorry if you mis-understood my stand on this I hope it clears things up for you.
I agree with you about Yolanda Hunter. How many more children have to die before they fire her?
Catman

Edmond, OK

#226 May 27, 2010
ELH wrote:
<quoted text>
I expect that I have read absolutly everything (including a load of BS claimed by Smith's supporters. And FYI I live in Paris Texas now and was not only raised in Okalhoma I actually knew both Raye Dawn and Lance. I have also seen Raye Dawn's enabling hillbilly mom "in action" more than once and I am pretty sure I know exactly what I am talking about.
Do I think DHS is a fantastic system above all reproch? No. Will I blame a goverment agency that should not even be needed in a decent society for the f'ed up things people do to children? No.
Now, I have a question. Why do you claim that DHS steals childrem for money? It's not like there is a huge adoption market for neglect and/or abused children languishing in foster care.
No, but there's a huge amount of money keeping them in foster care !
city mom

Norman, OK

#227 May 28, 2010
DHS receives federal funding for children in fostercare AND for children that are adopted. It is ALL about money. NEVER about the best interest of the child.
ELH

Vancouver, WA

#228 May 28, 2010
Never about the child? Always about the money?

If you have a better system, get it in place. Otherwise please get a grip on reality.
city mom

Norman, OK

#229 May 28, 2010
Why do you think we have a Federal Lawsuit against DHS right now brought by Childrens Rights???? And actually, there is a huge market for children in fostercare.
KelseySupporter

Nanuet, NY

#230 May 28, 2010
city mom wrote:
Why do you think we have a Federal Lawsuit against DHS right now brought by Childrens Rights???? And actually, there is a huge market for children in fostercare.
Good point. The question is about the "care" part. Do they get decent care?

“DHS steals children for Money”

Since: Aug 08

Edmond, OK

#231 May 29, 2010
KelseySupporter wrote:
<quoted text>Good point. The question is about the "care" part. Do they get decent care?
In some foster homes they actually do get good care but there are so many bad ones that they make it bad for the good ones. As much as we wish all parents would do right by their children they don't. Some people just don't need to be parents and for that reason we need to have good foster and adoptive homes. Children need to be loved and protected if not by their biological family, then by someone else who will love and protect them. Children need to be loved not abused, or sold to the highest bidder like slaves.
KelseySupporter

Nanuet, NY

#232 May 29, 2010
DanaL wrote:
<quoted text>In some foster homes they actually do get good care but there are so many bad ones that they make it bad for the good ones. As much as we wish all parents would do right by their children they don't. Some people just don't need to be parents and for that reason we need to have good foster and adoptive homes. Children need to be loved and protected if not by their biological family, then by someone else who will love and protect them. Children need to be loved not abused, or sold to the highest bidder like slaves.
Absolutely.
Catman

Edmond, OK

#233 Jun 2, 2010
ELH wrote:
Never about the child? Always about the money?
If you have a better system, get it in place. Otherwise please get a grip on reality.
You're the one that needs to get a grip on reality, It's your social security that their stealing !
KelseySupporter

Nanuet, NY

#234 Jun 2, 2010
Catman wrote:
<quoted text> You're the one that needs to get a grip on reality, It's your social security that their stealing !
And taxes.
ELH

Vancouver, WA

#235 Jun 4, 2010
Catman wrote:
<quoted text> You're the one that needs to get a grip on reality, It's your social security that their stealing !
DHS and Social Security do not have anything to do with each other. Please try posting complet thoughs. I don't have a clue what you are trying to say.

And please do tell me how we, as a society, are supposed to care for all these neglected, abused and unwanted children?
ELH

Vancouver, WA

#236 Jun 4, 2010
city mom wrote:
Why do you think we have a Federal Lawsuit against DHS right now brought by Childrens Rights???? And actually, there is a huge market for children in fostercare.
Maybe for adopting infants and toddlers. Nothing I have seen makes me think that there is any "market" for kids over five years old.

I admit that when we adopted our two boys we where given some(unexpected) tax breaks, including the entire cost of the adoption. But adopting parents who go to China or Russia get the exact same write offs.
KelseySupporter

Nanuet, NY

#237 Jun 4, 2010
ELH wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe for adopting infants and toddlers. Nothing I have seen makes me think that there is any "market" for kids over five years old.
I admit that when we adopted our two boys we where given some(unexpected) tax breaks, including the entire cost of the adoption. But adopting parents who go to China or Russia get the exact same write offs.
You have a valid point. There are couples who are desperate for a baby or a toddler. Can you imagine the vast number of older children who want nothing more than a family to belong to?
ELH

Vancouver, WA

#238 Jun 4, 2010
KelseySupporter wrote:
<quoted text>You have a valid point. There are couples who are desperate for a baby or a toddler. Can you imagine the vast number of older children who want nothing more than a family to belong to?
Sadly I can more than imagine it. I don't think a week goes by that we are not asked if we have room for one more.

“DHS steals children for Money”

Since: Aug 08

Edmond, OK

#239 Jun 4, 2010
ELH wrote:
<quoted text>
DHS and Social Security do not have anything to do with each other. Please try posting complet thoughs. I don't have a clue what you are trying to say.
And please do tell me how we, as a society, are supposed to care for all these neglected, abused and unwanted children?
I don't mean to offend or make you mad but, as long as DHS is getting money from the Social Security Administration for the children they pick up you can't really say they are not connected.
ELH

Vancouver, WA

#240 Jun 4, 2010
How or why does DHS get money from SSA? Do you mean SSI-D for handicapped kids? I hear an underlaying implication that the state(s) take these kids from their bio parents just FOR the money?

I am asking this in all sincerity.

One of our kids was on SSI-D with the bio family but the payments did not transfer to DHS when he came into forster care. The last payment was the month after the kids where taken into state custody and he does not get SSI-D now because our income is to high.

“DHS steals children for Money”

Since: Aug 08

Edmond, OK

#241 Jun 5, 2010
ELH wrote:
How or why does DHS get money from SSA? Do you mean SSI-D for handicapped kids? I hear an underlaying implication that the state(s) take these kids from their bio parents just FOR the money?
I am asking this in all sincerity.
One of our kids was on SSI-D with the bio family but the payments did not transfer to DHS when he came into forster care. The last payment was the month after the kids where taken into state custody and he does not get SSI-D now because our income is to high.
Ok I will explain this does not have anything to do with SSI because of ASFA when children are picked up money is paid to the states. Then when they are put in foster care more money rolls in. Now if they put these kids on drugs which they do with a lot of them then are considered special needs and more money rolls in. Now all this money comes from the Social Security Administration. As time goes by all states have a baseline of how many kids must be taken to qualify for the Title IV E funds. Now each year you make quota the next year the baseline is then raised. Which means the next year you must take even more children to qualify for the funds (pick up money). For fiscal year of 2008 DHS recieved almost $128 million in pick up money. DHS fiscal year for 2009 will not end until August so I don't have the records for 2009 yet.

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