Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

Nov 30, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CBS2

The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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Wow. Looks like someone missed the fact Prop 8 has been working its way through the courts, and was recently rejected by the Supreme Court because those opposed couldn't show that they were harmed by it. Both sides submitted briefs, and those supporting prop 8 relied heavily on the discredited Regnerus "study" in their briefs. That quote again: " The American Sociological Association’s Supreme Court brief "destroys claims made that same-sex households are inferior when it comes to raising children, which is a major argument for those pushing Prop 8. The ASA especially calls out the Mark Regnerus study, which is the recent controversial study claiming children raised in same-sex households suffer adverse effects. Supporters of Prop 8 made this study a huge part of their arguments in spite of fact that it has been discredited."
2. You have nothing to support your claim. Research shows children of same sex couples do just as well as those of opposite sex couples. Children at most risk are those who are not wanted by the new partner of the existing parent.
3. This again, is your own personal prejudice, not a reflection of reality.
4. Again, your own personal prejudice. Having opposite sex parents results in emotional and physical abuse to the point of murder for far too many children every day as the records of child protective services demonstrate. The determining factor for success is the relationship between the parent and child, not the gender of the parent.
(Hawaii Supreme Court testimony:) Dr Eggebeen (witness against marriage equality) also conceded that "gay and lesbian couples can , and do, make excellent parents" "that they are capable of raising a healthy child", and "that children of same sex couples would be helped if their families had access to or were able to receive benefits of marriage".
Dr. Charlotte Patterson: there was "no data or research which establishes that gay fathers and lesbian mothers are less capable of being good parents than non-gay people.
Dr. David Brodzinsky: The issue is not the structural variable, biological versus nonbiological, one parent versus two parent. The issue is really the process variables, how children are cared for, is the child provided warmth, it the child provided consistency of care, is the child provided a stimulated environment, is the e child given support.... and when you take a look at structural variables, there's not all that much support that structural variable in and of themselves are all that important.
Dr. Pepper Shwartz: "the primary quality of parenting is not the parenting structure, or biology, but is the nurturing relationship between parent and child."
More of the PC bias.

Studies consistently show biological parents statistically provide the best outcomes for children BY FAR.

Moreover, the lesbian studies (their are no gay couple study comparisons), have been shown to be bias and unscientific.

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More of the PC bias.
Studies consistently show biological parents statistically provide the best outcomes for children BY FAR.
Moreover, the lesbian studies (their are no gay couple study comparisons), have been shown to be bias <sic> and unscientific.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'd much rather have children in an orphanage or foster home than with a loving gay family. That's because you don't really give a crap about kids. You're more interested in denigrating gay families.

Troll on, KIMERDE.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'd much rather have children in an orphanage or foster home than with a loving gay family. That's because you don't really give a crap about kids. You're more interested in denigrating gay families.
Troll on, KIMERDE.
A lie imbedded in a whine.

I'd rather have children with their mother and father. If that isn't possible, I'd rather have them with a substitute mother and father, the way nature designed.

You would deprive a child of that so you can fabricate a fake family for a fraudulent marriage.

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<quoted text>Ummmmmm the supreme court ruled in favor of gay marriage.... maybe you missed that
You must be to busy today with your Johnson bar's stuck up your lover's brown eye. When you get done they can stick it in your mouth to get the shit stains off of it !

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A lie imbedded in a whine.
I'd rather have children with their mother and father. If that isn't possible, I'd rather have them with a substitute mother and father, the way nature designed.
You would deprive a child of that so you can fabricate a fake family for a fraudulent marriage.
Sad and sick.
Again, you'd rather have them in foster care or orphanages than with a loving gay family. It's ok, just admit to it.

Troll on, Kimerde.
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"There are about twenty references to the story of Sodom in the Bible, and none of them says homosexuality was the sin of Sodom. One of the most extensive references to Sodom is found in Ezekiel, which says,“This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.”(Ezekiel 16:49-50 (See note 5.)) It is clear from this passage (and others like it (See note 6.)) that the abomination of Sodom, according to the Old Testament prophets, was that they behaved with callous indifference toward the weak and vulnerable — the poor, orphans, widows, and strangers in their midst." http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblica...
The point of Sodom was that you should love others, not abuse them. It was about harming them instead of treating them the way you want to be treated. It was about how you treat "the stranger at the gate." It had nothing to do with loving same sex relationships based on mutual respect and love between adults.
"Jesus and five Old Testament prophets all speak of the sins that led to the destruction of Sodom -- and not one of them mentions homosexuality. Even Billy Graham doesn't mention homosexuality when he preaches on Sodom."
"Ezekiel 16:48-49 tell us: "This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God's eyes."
"It was common for soldiers, thieves, and bullies to rape a fallen enemy, asserting their victory by dehumanizing and demeaning the vanquished. This act of raping an enemy is about power and revenge,"
And it still happens today, most notoriously in prisons. It is not about love. It is about power, control, domination, and abuse. Rape is not love.
"The sexual act that occurs in the story of Sodom is a gang rape -- and homosexuals oppose gang rape as much as anyone. That's why I believe the story of Sodom says a lot about God's will for each of us, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today." ( quotes from: What the Bible says - and doesn't say - about Homosexuality)
Even the English versions of this story demonstrate there was nothing that can be honestly used to condemn gay people. Many other explanations including the Jewish versions of the this story agree the message is that you should not harm others but instead, treat them with love.
"In Sodom every one who gave bread and water to the poor was condemned to death by fire (Yal&#7731;., Gen. 83). Two girls, one poor and the other rich, went to a well; and the former gave the latter her jug of water, receiving in return a vessel containing bread. When this became known, both were burned alive."
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13827-...
So when you see verses that refer to Sodomites, they are addressing those who harm others needlessly, not same sex relationships based on mutual love and respect.
And yet many are quick to claim Jesus condemned same sex relationships and use that assumption to justify causing suffering and death in His name, even though it wasn't spoken of by Jesus.
Clearly you have not read the Bible sir or madam. It is homosexuality that God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Even when the angels came to assist Lot to leave Sodom, the man there wanted the angels, they wanted to make love with them. See how messed up that is. God made Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve. God made Man and Woman to marry and replenish the world. Imagine if he said Man can be with Man and Woman with woman. Are we even having these discussions in this forum? No not all, because same sex can't make babies. And because of that, I don't think have the chance of being born to this world.

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Clearly you have not read the Bible sir or madam. It is homosexuality that God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Even when the angels came to assist Lot to leave Sodom, the man there wanted the angels, they wanted to make love with them. See how messed up that is. God made Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve. God made Man and Woman to marry and replenish the world. Imagine if he said Man can be with Man and Woman with woman. Are we even having these discussions in this forum? No not all, because same sex can't make babies. And because of that, I don't think have the chance of being born to this world.
While clear you have not read the bible you use to bash others, you also amazingly, don't know the difference between making love and gang rape. Rape is not love. Rape has nothing to do with relationships based on mutual love and respect.

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A lie imbedded in a whine.
I'd rather have children with their mother and father. If that isn't possible, I'd rather have them with a substitute mother and father, the way nature designed.
You would deprive a child of that so you can fabricate a fake family for a fraudulent marriage.
Sad and sick.
More irrational prejudice, ignoring reality. Again, the documentation show having opposite sex parents is no guarantee of survival, let alone having parents who want and care about the child.

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Again, the documentation show having opposite sex parents is no guarantee of survival, let alone having parents who want and care about the child.
A point blank lie.

There is NO legitimate study that doesn't show a dramatic drop in child welfare in ANY default family as opposed to the natural family.

This is even after studies show that adopted parents invest MORE than birth parents in the child. The result? Adopted children fare worse. It blows your claim out of the water!

But to top that idiotic claim off, you want intelligent people to believe that depriving a child of one parent gender WON'T MAKE A NEGATIVE DIFFERENCE!

More irrational prejudice, ignoring reality.
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Good one NYE!
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More irrational prejudice, ignoring reality. Again, the documentation show having opposite sex parents is no guarantee of survival, let alone having parents who want and care about the child.

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Unfortunately, ki's deep seated prejudice requires and results in denial of reality.

"Unfortunately, many people are not aware of the three decades of research showing that children of gay or lesbian parents are just as mentally healthy as children with heterosexual parents, notes Cerbone.

Children of gay and lesbian parents reported closer ties with their schools and classmates.

Patterson's and others' findings that good parenting, not a parent's sexual orientation, leads to mentally healthy children may not surprise many psychologists. What may be more surprising is the finding that children of same-sex couples seem to be thriving, though they live in a world that is often unaccepting of their parents."

http://www.apa.org/monitor/dec05/kids.aspx

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Unfortunately, ki's deep seated prejudice requires and results in denial of reality.
"Unfortunately, many people are not aware of the three decades of research showing that children of gay or lesbian parents are just as mentally healthy as children with heterosexual parents, notes Cerbone.
Children of gay and lesbian parents reported closer ties with their schools and classmates.
Patterson's and others' findings that good parenting, not a parent's sexual orientation, leads to mentally healthy children may not surprise many psychologists. What may be more surprising is the finding that children of same-sex couples seem to be thriving, though they live in a world that is often unaccepting of their parents."
http://www.apa.org/monitor/dec05/kids.aspx
Please post the survey make up and study methods.

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A point blank lie.
There is NO legitimate study that doesn't show a dramatic drop in child welfare in ANY default family as opposed to the natural family.
This is even after studies show that adopted parents invest MORE than birth parents in the child. The result? Adopted children fare worse. It blows your claim out of the water!
But to top that idiotic claim off, you want intelligent people to believe that depriving a child of one parent gender WON'T MAKE A NEGATIVE DIFFERENCE!
More irrational prejudice, ignoring reality.
Your premise is flawed. Adopted children are not deprived of one parent when adopted by a same sex couple. They are afforded two, rather than none. When you can convince the government that all children of single parents must be taken away and placed in the home of two opposite sex parents, you will have an argument. Until then, your personal prejudice ignores reality.

Further, I have documented my assertions, while yours are simply expressions of your personal prejudice which ignores reality as well as over 30 years of research.

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Please post the survey make up and study methods.
Smile.
While you provide no documentation to support your prejudice, I have provided documentation to support the science I have presented.

Perhaps if you devoted some of your time doing your own research rather than repeating false and demeaning allegations here, you might begin to overcome your irrational, deep seated prejudice.
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Please post the survey make up and study methods.
Smile.
I'm curious as to why you spend so much time and energy to research subjects that you consider degrading and immoral. Why do you have so much information on the logistics of homosexuality? I'm sure that if you ignore the issue it will never seep into your life. Trust me it is not an insidious entity that will find way to effect you personally.

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While you provide no documentation to support your prejudice, I have provided documentation to support the science I have presented.
Perhaps if you devoted some of your time doing your own research rather than repeating false and demeaning allegations here, you might begin to overcome your irrational, deep seated prejudice.
I've posted the largest, latest and most scientific study to date with published study methods

Why are you afraid to do the same for your supposed proof?

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I've posted the largest, latest and most scientific study to date with published study methods
Why are you afraid to do the same for your supposed proof?
Smile.
Again, your fraud of a study took what we already knew: children of intact families do better than children of families that suffer divorce and conflict, and then tried to say intact same sex parent families were the same as families of conflict and divorce. It was bought and paid for by anti-gay organizations, and gave them the outcome they wanted. Here is what the American Sociological Association has to say about your "study" in their Supreme Court brief (pgs. 26-29):
"First, the Regnerus study does not specifically examine children born or adopted into same-sex parent families, but instead examines children who, from the time they were born until they were 18 or moved out, had a parent who at any time had “a same-sex romantic relationship.”. As Regnerus noted, the majority of the individuals characterized by him as children of “lesbian mothers” and “gay fathers” were the offspring of failed opposite- sex unions whose parent subsequently had a same-sex relationship. In other words, Regnerus did not study or analyze the children of two same-sex parents."
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(ASA continued): Second, when the Regnerus study compared the children of parents who at one point had a “same-sex romantic relationship,” most of whom had experienced a family dissolution or single motherhood, to children raised by two biological, married opposite-sex parents, the study stripped away all divorced, single, and stepparent families from the opposite-sex group, leaving only stable, married, opposite-sex families as the comparison... Thus, it was hardly surprising that the opposite-sex group had better outcomes given that stability is a key predictor of positive child wellbeing. By so doing, the Regnerus study makes inappropriate apples-to-oranges comparisons.

Third, Regnerus’s first published analysis of his research data failed to consider whether the children lived with, or were raised by, the parent who was, at some point, apparently involved in “a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex” and that same-sex partner. Instead, Regnerus categorized children as raised by a parent in a same-sex romantic relationship regardless of whether they were in fact raised by the parent and the parent’s same-sex romantic partner and regardless of the amount of time that they spent under the parent’s care. As a result, so long as an adult child believed that he or she had had a parent who had a relationship with someone of the same sex, then he or she was counted by Regnerus as having been “raised by” a parent in a same-sex relationship.

Fourth, in contrast to every other study on same-sex parenting, Regnerus identified parents who had purportedly engaged in a same-sex romantic relationship based solely on the child’s own retrospective report of the parent’s romantic relationships, made once the child was an adult. This unusual measurement strategy ignored the fact that the child may have limited and inaccurate recollections of the parents’ distant romantic past.

Finally, the study fails to account for the fact that the negative outcomes may have been caused by other childhood events or events later in the individual’s adult life, particularly given that the vast majority (thirty-seven of forty) of the outcomes measured were adult and not childhood outcomes. Factors other than same-sex parenting are likely to explain these negative outcomes in the Regnerus study. Regnerus himself concludes that “I am thus not suggesting that growing up with a lesbian mother or gay father causes suboptimal outcomes because of the sexual orientation or sexual behavior of the parent.”

In sum, by conflating (1) children raised by same-sex parents with (2) individuals who reportedly had a parent who had “a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex,” and referring to such individuals as children of “lesbian mothers” or “gay fathers,” the Regnerus study obscures the fact that it did not specifically examine children raised by two same-sex parents. Accordingly, it cannot speak to the impact of same-sex parenting on child outcomes."

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And again, just in case you missed it; "Regnerus himself concludes that “I am thus not suggesting that growing up with a lesbian mother or gay father causes suboptimal outcomes because of the sexual orientation or sexual behavior of the parent.”"

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And again, just in case you missed it; "Regnerus himself concludes that “I am thus not suggesting that growing up with a lesbian mother or gay father causes suboptimal outcomes because of the sexual orientation or sexual behavior of the parent.”"
To sum it up, the PC gay crowd wanted a cherry picked study group. Just like they have done with the studies they use.

And that is exactly why you refuse to post the study methods of the one you referenced.

The Regnerus study took a large average of what was available. That's what the real world produces in gay families.

You did such a nice summary of the Regnerus criticism, why not post comparables with your study? Come on, you can do it!

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