joshua parker
faked out

Mount Pleasant, SC

#1418 Mar 3, 2014
y'all, isn't that a virus link? I think "tinyurl" stuff is usually a virus… I didn't want to click it because I've seen stuff like that before. And based on your comments about it, Madi and AlwaysWinter, you may want to run a virus scan!
Questions

Eugene, OR

#1419 Mar 3, 2014
Madi wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, the detective confirmed he was aware of Faith and Adam's baby and assured me that CPS was going to be involved to protect the child from day one.(It was a major worry I had. I feared she'd start harming the baby. If, in fact, she has MSbP, she wouldn't be able to help herself and babies are so so fragile.)
And we have the detective's remarks, the photos and court docs to prove the kids all exist. And I know many have met her and the kids in real life. Many of her followers were fellow parents she'd met in the hospital.
We know her name is real because that's the name Reece's Rainbow published as the adopter of Vivienne and Laura (Bethany and Hannah's RR names) and from photos, we saw that she did, in fact adopt those kids.
I was looking at it from another angle but your right , RR , the court dockets are Evidence of the existence of multiple children .... but WAIT ... does beg the Question .... If amongst other times , I gave to help bring two girls home(USA) from the eastern Europe, and we have proof biased off of pictures and court dockets that there are two little girls .. then how was I tricked / deceived/ defrauded?
Concerned

United States

#1420 Mar 3, 2014
Why are we questioning Adam and Faith's involvement? Adam was also a victim. Faith had no idea what she was marrying into. And their baby... Leave them alone.
Questions

Eugene, OR

#1421 Mar 3, 2014
Madi wrote:
<quoted text>
That's my experience too.
But you know, that could be a hospital-to-hospital type of variation. I can see how each hospital may have its own policies.
IMO, it makes sense to ban outside meds, even OTC. You can't have multiple people doling out medications; it's a recipe for disaster.
Plus, you can't have meds in unsecured patient rooms. What if a confused elderly patient went for a walk and wandered back into the wrong room by accident; she sees your pills from home on the bedside table and takes them? Huge liability.
My understanding is in the USA it is a patience right , but they are usually surrender to the hospital staff who will in turn administer them. At no extra cost... Always ask for a Itemized bill , they will screw you with out you even knowing if your not careful.... If you turn it down .. you Should/ Don't have to pay for it. This is not a hospital to hospital thing....
As to the Crazy old person scenario.. no the hospital would not be liable, though they might get a staff to sit with the old person from that point forward , At full cost to the old person and there Family.
Caring Mom

Knoxville, IA

#1422 Mar 3, 2014
Concerned wrote:
Why are we questioning Adam and Faith's involvement? Adam was also a victim. Faith had no idea what she was marrying into. And their baby... Leave them alone.
Somewhere it was mentioned, I think by the police officer himself that is investigating this, that the authorities were aware of Adam and Faith's baby and that they would be involved. If you go back and read the entire thread, it seems like there are reasons why people are questioning Adam's involvement.
Madi

Cape Coral, FL

#1423 Mar 3, 2014
faked out wrote:
y'all, isn't that a virus link? I think "tinyurl" stuff is usually a virus… I didn't want to click it because I've seen stuff like that before. And based on your comments about it, Madi and AlwaysWinter, you may want to run a virus scan!
TinyURL is just a link shortener site. Nothing malicious as far as I can tell.
But I've got a virus scanner always running in the background, just in case! It didn't ping, so I'm not too worried.:-)
You didn't miss much by not visiting; it's Adam's head photoshopped onto the body of a guy who's....umm....getting frisky?

@Questions -- I don't think anyone believes there was any deception with the fundraising for the adoption.(At least that wasn't my implication. Dangerous to speak for others! LOL)

I think the deception allegations were relative to the fundraising for funeral expenses and time off for Charley once Joshua died.(The deception was because Joshua wasn't dying.)
faked out

Mount Pleasant, SC

#1424 Mar 3, 2014
Hahahaha Madi, glad I DIDN'T click that link! But we all do need to be careful about clicking on links, even on this site. Crazy people lurk everywhere!
Ok, that was off-topic. Now, back to the Parker Drama…...
notonthebandwago n

Ashland, OR

#1425 Mar 3, 2014
The assumptions here on this thread are absolutely amazing. This thread is much more of a witch hunt and burning at the stake than an honest look at any facts.

One assumption that I can put to rest is that Kate lied about Bethany at Adam's wedding. How can I lay that to rest? I am the photographer who took that ONE photo of Bethany looking very sweet and happy. It was a fleeting moment. It is indeed true that she was grunting and miserable and unhappy the rest of the wedding. Joshua also had more moments of not feeling well than the photos show. Yes, he did have pain that day and complained of his head hurting. He would rally and was very excited for his brother and even more excited to be the ring bearer. However, quite a few of you on here want to use that ONE photo as your proof that Kate was probably lying. I can tell you she did not lie about that photo.

I was shocked at Kate losing her children recently. I decided to see if there is any reason a little boy on pain medications at such high doses could possibly be getting "better" if there is truth to that via this board. It appears there may be a very logical reason to his decrease in pain now that he's been removed from his medications. There is a rare condition caused by opioids that is often overlooked by doctors. Triggers for this condition are opioid usage and often brain stem or spinal surgery...both of which he's had. Read this:

"Returning to the formulation advanced almost 50 years ago
by Hardy et al.(1), we believe that a dominant active influence
from the brainstem is necessary for the expression of secondary
hyperalgesia (see Fig. 2). We acknowledge that there are
likely multiple supraspinal sites involved in responding to
peripheral tissue insult. Indeed, the limited data available
suggest that forebrain sites can play an important role, even if
the RVM is the final common pathway of facilitatory influences
that mediate spinal neuron excitability."
http://www.pnas.org/content/96/14/7687.full.p...

Also, having been the families photographer, I can tell you that when I visited their home, Kate was very thrilled and grateful for the monetary gifts toward Joshua and proudly showed off the Lego sets Joshua helped pick out from donations she said she had received. She was thankful for the outpouring of support she had.

If indeed she is mentally ill and has Munchausen as she is being accused of, I would hope the community would prayerfully be keeping her and her family in prayer. I would think that if you really did care about the children you would not be posting all of their names and life details in a public forum. I would also say to people that when you do donate money, to an individual or organization that you are always taking a risk that it may or may not be used in the manner you intended. Until you can absolutely prove that Kate Parker was using her child/children as a money making venture and misappropriated funds, it's all speculation.

We are in America where one is supposedly innocent until proven guilty. One would never guess that is how our judicial system is suppose to work if they looked at this forum and see how many people have already convicted her.

Carry on.
Questions

Eugene, OR

#1426 Mar 3, 2014
Madi wrote:
<quoted text>
TinyURL is just a link shortener site. Nothing malicious as far as I can tell.
But I've got a virus scanner always running in the background, just in case! It didn't ping, so I'm not too worried.:-)
You didn't miss much by not visiting; it's Adam's head photoshopped onto the body of a guy who's....umm....getting frisky?
@Questions -- I don't think anyone believes there was any deception with the fundraising for the adoption.(At least that wasn't my implication. Dangerous to speak for others! LOL)
I think the deception allegations were relative to the fundraising for funeral expenses and time off for Charley once Joshua died.(The deception was because Joshua wasn't dying.)
OK I see what your saying.. But who says the money from that fundraiser is gone... Not that it could be accessed now even it it's still around as the Authorities would have locked out the account, to protect it. And if It's still there , then No fraud... If it was raised under the premise that Joshua was dying , and If Kate thought this to be true.. lies in her head or not.. then There is NO Fraud.....
And is there any way to have offensive material removed.. cause that link is just wrong.... Don't Click .. unless you like that kinda stuff
notonthebandwago n

Ashland, OR

#1427 Mar 3, 2014
Another thing I just remembered since funeral expenses were mentioned in an above post; I have also seen and been privy to the beautiful urn she had in her home and the arrangements that were made for Joshua's funeral. She also had mentioned how thankful she was to have gotten donations to help with the expenses so she at least wouldn't have to deal with that "when the time comes". She did truly believe that Joshua's condition(s) were such that he could and would eventually pass away.

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#1428 Mar 3, 2014
If you experienced Kate in this way, I would hope that you call the police and make your experience known. I am not inclined to give Kate an inch in this matter. But, you describe a very different experience with Kate and family than most. Make your voice known to those who are holding her to account.
notonthebandwagon wrote:
Another thing I just remembered since funeral expenses were mentioned in an above post; I have also seen and been privy to the beautiful urn she had in her home and the arrangements that were made for Joshua's funeral. She also had mentioned how thankful she was to have gotten donations to help with the expenses so she at least wouldn't have to deal with that "when the time comes". She did truly believe that Joshua's condition(s) were such that he could and would eventually pass away.

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#1430 Mar 3, 2014
Ok, so if I am to believe that the narcotics were to blame for Joshua being so close to death how do you explain Bethany then? According to the detectives she is doing well and thriving. She didn't have a brain stem disorder or spinal problems. She also wasn't on narcotics long term.
What about Bethany's urn? Kate claims to have bought and paid for her services also all via internet donations.

notonthebandwagon wrote:
The assumptions here on this thread are absolutely amazing. This thread is much more of a witch hunt and burning at the stake than an honest look at any facts.
One assumption that I can put to rest is that Kate lied about Bethany at Adam's wedding. How can I lay that to rest? I am the photographer who took that ONE photo of Bethany looking very sweet and happy. It was a fleeting moment. It is indeed true that she was grunting and miserable and unhappy the rest of the wedding. Joshua also had more moments of not feeling well than the photos show. Yes, he did have pain that day and complained of his head hurting. He would rally and was very excited for his brother and even more excited to be the ring bearer. However, quite a few of you on here want to use that ONE photo as your proof that Kate was probably lying. I can tell you she did not lie about that photo.
I was shocked at Kate losing her children recently. I decided to see if there is any reason a little boy on pain medications at such high doses could possibly be getting "better" if there is truth to that via this board. It appears there may be a very logical reason to his decrease in pain now that he's been removed from his medications. There is a rare condition caused by opioids that is often overlooked by doctors. Triggers for this condition are opioid usage and often brain stem or spinal surgery...both of which he's had. Read this:
"Returning to the formulation advanced almost 50 years ago
by Hardy et al.(1), we believe that a dominant active influence
from the brainstem is necessary for the expression of secondary
hyperalgesia (see Fig. 2). We acknowledge that there are
likely multiple supraspinal sites involved in responding to
peripheral tissue insult. Indeed, the limited data available
suggest that forebrain sites can play an important role, even if
the RVM is the final common pathway of facilitatory influences
that mediate spinal neuron excitability."
http://www.pnas.org/content/96/14/7687.full.p...
Also, having been the families photographer, I can tell you that when I visited their home, Kate was very thrilled and grateful for the monetary gifts toward Joshua and proudly showed off the Lego sets Joshua helped pick out from donations she said she had received. She was thankful for the outpouring of support she had.
If indeed she is mentally ill and has Munchausen as she is being accused of, I would hope the community would prayerfully be keeping her and her family in prayer. I would think that if you really did care about the children you would not be posting all of their names and life details in a public forum. I would also say to people that when you do donate money, to an individual or organization that you are always taking a risk that it may or may not be used in the manner you intended. Until you can absolutely prove that Kate Parker was using her child/children as a money making venture and misappropriated funds, it's all speculation.
We are in America where one is supposedly innocent until proven guilty. One would never guess that is how our judicial system is suppose to work if they looked at this forum and see how many people have already convicted her.
Carry on.
notonthebandwago n

Ashland, OR

#1431 Mar 3, 2014
N/T Oops, had some things wrong with post so I removed it.
notonthebandwago n

Ashland, OR

#1432 Mar 3, 2014
I miss spoke in the post about Joshua's funeral arrangements. I did see the urn and the arrangements. However, it was not paid for by donations like I had said. Oops. My bad. I cannot delete my previous post so take this correction. I do not recall for a fact how they financed his arrangements, only that I do know they were made.
King

Dayton, OH

#1433 Mar 3, 2014
Madi...this feels inappropriate. How does Adam have any control over what happened before he was born? He had neither control nor responsibility for his sibling's conception, nor should he be judged for it. He has his own belief system, which includes no premarital sex. Kudos to him.
Madi wrote:
<quoted text>
I did find it humorous, though, that he was preaching about no sex before marriage when his sister was conceived out of wedlock. Love it.
Following this story

Seattle, WA

#1434 Mar 3, 2014
faked out wrote:
y'all, isn't that a virus link? I think "tinyurl" stuff is usually a virus… I didn't want to click it because I've seen stuff like that before. And based on your comments about it, Madi and AlwaysWinter, you may want to run a virus scan!
No, "tinyurl" means a giant url, or web address, has been made shorter. I think. Ha!
notonthebandwago n

Ashland, OR

#1435 Mar 3, 2014
Feeling_Used wrote:
Ok, so if I am to believe that the narcotics were to blame for Joshua being so close to death how do you explain Bethany then? According to the detectives she is doing well and thriving. She didn't have a brain stem disorder or spinal problems. She also wasn't on narcotics long term.
What about Bethany's urn? Kate claims to have bought and paid for her services also all via internet donations.
<quoted text>
First of all, I did not realize that you are apparently in direct contact with detectives and now know without a doubt how well Bethany is doing (or not doing). One thing this forum exemplifies is how unreliable anything on the internet is, particularly when it's hear say.

Secondly, Joshua and Bethany are two completely different children with different medical conditions. So you asking "what about..." is odd since one is not necessarily predictive of the other's treatment or conditions.

Third, Neither you nor I are doctors now are we? I simply posted a link that does show there could possibly be a medical explanation as to why Joshua may be doing better now that he's been removed from narcotics. Of course, I'm assuming based on some statements here that he is doing better and/or has been removed from narcotics. Neither which I can verify with any facts. Can you? Do you have access to his medical records? I know I do not. So I am not asking you to believe anything. However, I do believe many here, including you do assume way too much. Tabloid talk.

You make another assumption. You assume because I saw Joshua's urn and knew about his arrangements that Bethany's arrangements were made at the same time. Were they? Maybe I was shown Joshua's urn because no arrangements were made for Bethany at that time? Maybe they were made later? Maybe there were never any arrangements made for Bethany? I have proof with my eyes they were made for Joshua. That's the facts. Anything else is purely assumption and I am not going to assume a thing in that regard. I suggest you don't either. If you have proof otherwise, fine. I do not know if and/or when any arrangements were made for Bethany.

Via the internet and forums people here feel they were duped. Yet the same people are jumping to massive conclusions, some of which include that Kate was taking the medications herself, that she was withholding medications from her kids, that she was overmedicating them, that....oh my goodness the list goes on and on! Make up your minds...oh, but you can't because it is all assuming things that may or may not be! And the same people that feel duped are believing everything on this site. I find that just about comical and it would be ironically hilarious if it wasn't so unfair to the children of Kate and Charley and the family that is going through a difficult time. Oh, but she ripped off everyone!!!! That's the other excuse on here to jump to all types of accusations, yet not one person can prove she did or didn't take or use money in any inappropriate way..aka fraudulently.

Let the courts find the facts. This forum is not capable. Meanwhile, why not let go of the venom and accusations that have no factual basis and pray for the family and the children? I certainly wouldn't be taking at face value the person who is in Florida's word for anything. I doubt she has seen or been a witness to much due to distance if nothing else. Sit back and look a bit more objectively and you can see this forum has turned into a tabloid. I find it very sad. My post regarding the photo shows the ridiculousness of what some people think is very factual. From that photo all types of things were said which frankly, simply are stupid to assume based on one photo taken at a wedding. Get it now? There are facts, and there are assumptions. So far the assumptions are many and the actual facts few. Tread lightly.

Carry on.
Madi

Cape Coral, FL

#1436 Mar 3, 2014
King wrote:
Madi...this feels inappropriate. How does Adam have any control over what happened before he was born? He had neither control nor responsibility for his sibling's conception, nor should he be judged for it. He has his own belief system, which includes no premarital sex. Kudos to him.
<quoted text>
I've got to respectfully disagree with you on this one, King.

I don't fault Adam for his belief.
I fault Adam for his hypocrisy.
(Personally, I don't disagree with his belief on that point. I just don't impose this belief on others, nor judge others for it. You want to have sex, go for it. Not my business, not my problem.)

It's hypocritical to claim that sex before marriage is this awful thing when your sister – someone whom I assume he loves very much – is the product of that. To condemn premarital sex is to condemn her very existence.

He claims sex before marriage is a tremendous sin. This implies that those who are born from wedlock are “abominations” and “fruit of sin”(not his words but general Christian rhetoric on the matter).

But based on his postings and youtube ramblings, he doesn't stand by that.

Said differently, you can't say something is a sin if you acknowledge that something (or someone) wonderful arises from that “sin.”

If he's since changed his mind on the matter and condemns his mother, father and his sister's existence, then I'm wrong and I eat my words.*shrug*

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#1437 Mar 3, 2014
I can say that I know via Kate's words she planned Bethany's funeral sometime in February 2013. She also had a post about shopping for her Urn around Christmas time. So if you photograph a wedding the end of April then Bethany's Urn would have been in the home also. I have my own feelings about why you didn't see Bethany's.

As far as letting the courts handle this all. The detectives are the ones who have reached out to us the public. Kate has been mean and nasty to so many people. She has taken thousands of dollars from people.(Wouldn't be surprised if we the people didn't help pay you.)

Yes I will carry on thank you. I will continue to fight for these kids. The internet is a huge place and Kate made her presence very known. She has talked some serious crap about others that have done less than her.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1438 Mar 3, 2014
Notonthebandwagon....just curious, how did you become aware of this discussion? Just stumble across it?

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