SSVC report called 'flawed'

SSVC report called 'flawed'

There are 49 comments on the Public Opinion story from Mar 24, 2009, titled SSVC report called 'flawed'. In it, Public Opinion reports that:

A spokesperson for the state Department of Military and Veterans Affairs said a study on the proposed closing of Scotland School for Veterans' Children, released this week, is "flawed" and provides "questionable analysis." "It presents some questionable analysis for us," said Joan Nissley.

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Matilda

Plainfield, NJ

#1 Mar 25, 2009
Hmmm. The PSEA should ask for a REFUND of their $1,500 because the so-called "study" does not pass the smell test. The Department of Military and Veterans Affairs apparently arrived at the same conclusion that MANY Topix posters did yesterday after reading Roscoe Barnes's front page story about the PSEA-funded "study". "The state is probably not the best entity to run the school," Joan Nissley of DMVA said. Well, shoot, Joan, that's what Governor Rendell said at the outset isn't it? Only he was very clear about saying the Commonwealth of PA has no business funding and operating a private school. There are local school districts who have that role.
The PSEA should be very embarassed as sponsor of the bogus "study". Again, the PSEA should ask for their $1,500 back from The Civic Research Alliance, LLC.
All Crooks

Taylor, MI

#2 Mar 25, 2009
I'd say give the money back but they the Philly Connection got "WHAT THEY PAID FOR".
All Crooks

Taylor, MI

#3 Mar 25, 2009
That's right SSVC Philadelphia Parents Association not ......... PSEA.

Follow the money.
Maryann

Plainfield, NJ

#4 Mar 25, 2009
All Crooks wrote:
That's right SSVC Philadelphia Parents Association not ......... PSEA.
Follow the money.
"The impact study, which was funded by The Pennsylvania State Education Association" is what Roscoe Barnes III reported in today's front-page story. If the claim that the PSEA funded the study is NOT TRUE, then Barnes needs to dig deeper to learn exactly who ordered and paid for the "study."
Saywhat

Bettendorf, IA

#5 Mar 25, 2009
The basic truth is that the public will get not a shred of truth from either side of this debate. Ed Rendell and Rob Kauffman, what's the difference? The only thing that distinguished one from the other is the letter in parentheses behind their names.
Sure, it's time to close the private country club school that serves a handful of people at the expense of the rest, but don't be fooled into believing you can look to Rendell for good leadership.
How can you follow a guy speeding down the turnpike at 100 mph or count on the pal of a leech like Jeff Coy?
JDMcgee

Lafayette Hill, PA

#6 Mar 25, 2009
Anything the PSEA does should throw up a yellow flag. That is like dealing with acorn.
anon

Wilmington, DE

#7 Mar 25, 2009
would someone please explain to me why the property values would go down. I just don't get that.
Widows Son

Landisburg, PA

#8 Mar 25, 2009
Humor me! The quality of life product plus the quantity of leaders this school produces should cause reason enough to continue this fine school.
Zippy

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Mar 25, 2009
Isn't is amazing, and sad, how everyone in this Department now has to take a position, even to the point of lying, on this issue, to close SSVC; because one man, the Governor, has decided it will close! The same Department which for years supported and operated the school!
its me

Westminster, MD

#10 Mar 25, 2009
Not really sure why ppl around here are so concerned with the closing of this school..its not like our children in this area has benefited at all from it. maybe someone will buy the school and utilize it for what is needed in our area.
All things Ed Stink

Philadelphia, PA

#11 Mar 25, 2009
Property values will go down when the Commonwealth decides to move the adjudicated youth from the South Mountain Secure Facility to Scotland in order to use that property effectively. And while we wait for that to happen or for the 3-5 years for the Commmonwealth to do the paper shuffling for a sale of the property you can watch the weeds grow & the water tower rust even more than it currently is.
You don't really believe that they made a $20 million capitol investment in the place over the past 2 years just to walk away from it do you?

By the way, can anyone tell me why they just dumped a couple of tons of mulch around 2 playgrounds of a school that will be closing in 2 months? Those playgrounds haven't seen new mulch in over 5 years.

Keep it open & pay me to work. Close it & pay me to sit at home for the next year. Either way, myself & up to 185 other individuals will still be cashing a check at the expense of the taxpayers of which we are as wll.

Why even mention the children. No one in Franklin County seems to care about them anyway. That is until your kid is driving to Philly to buy drugs on the corner in the same neighborhood where they have to walk & go to school.
Hilda

Plainfield, NJ

#12 Mar 25, 2009
anon wrote:
would someone please explain to me why the property values would go down. I just don't get that.
There is no rational explanation. The writer, or writers, of the 28-page report put in "findings" intended to strike FEAR and worry for those who might take the bait. The report preparers simply threw exaggerated findings against the wall to see if any might stick. It was a bogus "study" and PSEA was taken for a ride and threw their $1,500 down a rathole. It is a stretch to believe that the PSEA leadership backed the research effort and approved $1,500 for the "study." I'd believe it was some local SSVC members of the PSEA who were smitten by the "good idea fairy" and paid for the study.
Follow The Money

Taylor, MI

#13 Mar 25, 2009
Maryann wrote:
<quoted text>"The impact study, which was funded by The Pennsylvania State Education Association" is what Roscoe Barnes III reported in today's front-page story. If the claim that the PSEA funded the study is NOT TRUE, then Barnes needs to dig deeper to learn exactly who ordered and paid for the "study."
That's right SSVC Philadelphia Parents Association not earmarked a "donation" to ......... PSEA. Don't want to believe it? follow the money.
Citizen

United States

#14 Mar 25, 2009
I did not vote for Governor Rendell and I do not support most of his agenda. But he got this one right so give him credit for having the courage to make the tough choice. The state is not in the business of operating schools so they need to get out and save the money.

If the school wants to remain open, they should find a way to raise enough money to keep it open as a private school. Do what all the other private schools do -- seek donations from graduates, start an endowment, have fundraising campaigns, seek grants, seek sponsors, charge tuition, etc. If those efforts show that they are going to raise enough money to keep the school open, the Rendell administration should think about keeping the school open with government money for an extra year to give those private efforts a chance to build a solid foundation. If the private efforts are incapable of raising enough money to sustain the school, then there is no market for the school and it should close. The kids will still be educated in their home districts.
magnetta

Carlisle, PA

#15 Mar 25, 2009
its me wrote:
Not really sure why ppl around here are so concerned with the closing of this school..its not like our children in this area has benefited at all from it. maybe someone will buy the school and utilize it for what is needed in our area.
Perhaps it could be turned into a community college???
somber

Lancaster, PA

#16 Mar 25, 2009
this is utter nonense.CLOSE IT CLOSE IT CLOSE IT !
Tex

Plainfield, NJ

#17 Mar 25, 2009
Follow The Money wrote:
<quoted text>
That's right SSVC Philadelphia Parents Association not earmarked a "donation" to ......... PSEA. Don't want to believe it? follow the money.
What is your point? Your sentence does not make sense.
"...not earmarked a "donation" to PSEA" ---what does this mean?
Phil

Plainfield, NJ

#18 Mar 25, 2009
magnetta wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps it could be turned into a community college???
There's an abundance of college-level school in the area. Why would the Commonwealth of PA want to create another?
Concerned

Gettysburg, PA

#19 Mar 25, 2009
My gosh! Can't people understand economics? Closing the school is a wise decision. This money can be put to good use in the budget. Governor Rendell has made the Commonwealth a mess and now it is time to "pay the piper". Philadelphia will just have to put these students into their public school system. A big part of the budget goes to Philadelphia anyway. Watch who gets the jobs from the stimulus money. A good portion of our health entitlements go to Philly. I wondered if statistics on health disease and crime are still kept apart from the rest of the Commonwealth.
Morry

Plainfield, NJ

#20 Mar 25, 2009
All things Ed Stink wrote:
Property values will go down when the Commonwealth decides to move the adjudicated youth from the South Mountain Secure Facility to Scotland in order to use that property effectively. And while we wait for that to happen or for the 3-5 years for the Commmonwealth to do the paper shuffling for a sale of the property you can watch the weeds grow & the water tower rust even more than it currently is.
You don't really believe that they made a $20 million capitol investment in the place over the past 2 years just to walk away from it do you?
By the way, can anyone tell me why they just dumped a couple of tons of mulch around 2 playgrounds of a school that will be closing in 2 months? Those playgrounds haven't seen new mulch in over 5 years.
Keep it open & pay me to work. Close it & pay me to sit at home for the next year. Either way, myself & up to 185 other individuals will still be cashing a check at the expense of the taxpayers of which we are as wll.
Why even mention the children. No one in Franklin County seems to care about them anyway. That is until your kid is driving to Philly to buy drugs on the corner in the same neighborhood where they have to walk & go to school.
Speculation. Pure speculation. What strong evidence do you have that ANYONE is even thinking of doing what you've said? In a year when the Governor is having a hard time getting a budget completed, why would the state govt. consider SPENDING a lot of money to relocate the South Mountain facility?

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