Study touts SSVC's role in economy

Closing Scotland School for Veterans Children would be "an economic shock" for Franklin County, according to a report released Monday. Full Story
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single and free

Shippensburg, PA

#1 Mar 24, 2009
i still say close the Philadelphia raise my kids for free for me center
Hardy

Plainfield, NJ

#2 Mar 24, 2009
Suspect. Very suspect. For only $1,500 the "Pygmalion Effect" study declares, surprise! surprise! that SSVC is indispensable and closing the poor performing but expensive school would cause "an economic shock" for Franklin County. And for only $1,500! Who paid for the "study"? The teachers' union: Pennsylvania State Education Association, an
affiliate of the NEA. It strikes me that only the most gullible who are willing to suspend belief will accept the findings and conclusions of the $1,500 study with the Limberger odor.
John

Philadelphia, PA

#3 Mar 24, 2009
What a bunch of smoke. That report was generated in 2 days without research just so Fame could say ... "here it is, I told you so!"

Folks just watch and see there isn't a darn thing that can be done to close this Wefare Program for Blacks of Philadelphia.

And I challenge ANYONE to argue that SSVC has not turned into a Wefare Program for Blacks of Philadelphia.
voter

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Mar 24, 2009
This is a load of dung. It is full inaccuracies and just plain fabrications. Seems like if someone will resort to publishing something like this they must be desperate........ or hiding something, or both.
Mae

Plainfield, NJ

#5 Mar 24, 2009
voter wrote:
This is a load of dung. It is full inaccuracies and just plain fabrications. Seems like if someone will resort to publishing something like this they must be desperate........ or hiding something, or both.
Rob Kauffman associates himself with this? What is Rob thinking?
WOW

Iselin, NJ

#6 Mar 24, 2009
When the story originally broke several months ago, My comment on the board was the same as the study suggested, the economic impact would be great. It doesn't take a study to figure that out.

Some people refuse to look at the big picture
Terry

Harrisburg, PA

#7 Mar 24, 2009
I have no doubt that closing the school will have a negative social and economic impact on the families of the SSVC students as well. These are people who are not used to having to feed, clothe, entertain and babysit their own children. It will be a sad day for these families when they are forced to face normal parental responsibilities. I'm not sure how they are going to cope.
Curtis

Plainfield, NJ

#8 Mar 24, 2009
WOW wrote:
When the story originally broke several months ago, My comment on the board was the same as the study suggested, the economic impact would be great. It doesn't take a study to figure that out. Some people refuse to look at the big picture
Some people ignore Gov. Rendell's position that the Commonwealth of PA has no business operating a public school(SSVC) because that is a local school district job. Some people ignore the poor performance of the SSVC students on standardized tests over a period of years. Some people ignore the FACT that all SSVC students could attend a public school in Philadelphia, where most come from, and some people cannot reconcile how students who fail or score low on standardized tests amazingly gain admission to college at the rate of 70% of SSVC graduates. It does not follow, does it?
anon

Chambersburg, PA

#9 Mar 24, 2009
it will be interesting what the scot-greene people think if/when an alternative ed program goes there. everyone thinks that school is full of thugs and bad kids now (which couldn't be further from the truth) imagine what it would be like if the courts start sending kids to school there. that will be fun.....
Terry

Harrisburg, PA

#10 Mar 24, 2009
Curtis wrote:
<quoted text>Some people ignore Gov. Rendell's position that the Commonwealth of PA has no business operating a public school(SSVC) because that is a local school district job. Some people ignore the poor performance of the SSVC students on standardized tests over a period of years. Some people ignore the FACT that all SSVC students could attend a public school in Philadelphia, where most come from, and some people cannot reconcile how students who fail or score low on standardized tests amazingly gain admission to college at the rate of 70% of SSVC graduates. It does not follow, does it?
SSVCís academic record does raise questions concerning the claims that 70% go on to college when it appears that many of the students are below grade level when they graduate from high school. If all things were equal and the playing field was really level, this would seem impossible.
On the other hand, many colleges make extraordinary efforts to recruit black students. 90% plus of SSVCís students are black. Some colleges and universities have quota systems that require the institution to admit a certain percentage of minority students with each freshman class. And, donít forget, athletes are frequently given priority over academic students and one area that SSVC has excelled at is recruiting athletes.
Accepted without SATs

Philadelphia, PA

#11 Mar 24, 2009
Terry wrote:
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SSVCís academic record does raise questions concerning the claims that 70% go on to college when it appears that many of the students are below grade level when they graduate from high school. If all things were equal and the playing field was really level, this would seem impossible.
On the other hand, many colleges make extraordinary efforts to recruit black students. 90% plus of SSVCís students are black. Some colleges and universities have quota systems that require the institution to admit a certain percentage of minority students with each freshman class. And, donít forget, athletes are frequently given priority over academic students and one area that SSVC has excelled at is recruiting athletes.
They go to the TOP of the list (affirmative action) are accepted without SAT's or entrance interviews.
Hey anon

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Mar 24, 2009
anon wrote:
it will be interesting what the scot-greene people think if/when an alternative ed program goes there. everyone thinks that school is full of thugs and bad kids now (which couldn't be further from the truth) imagine what it would be like if the courts start sending kids to school there. that will be fun.....
Did you see the videos?
Hannah

Plainfield, NJ

#13 Mar 24, 2009
Terry wrote:
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SSVCís academic record does raise questions concerning the claims that 70% go on to college when it appears that many of the students are below grade level when they graduate from high school. If all things were equal and the playing field was really level, this would seem impossible.
On the other hand, many colleges make extraordinary efforts to recruit black students. 90% plus of SSVCís students are black. Some colleges and universities have quota systems that require the institution to admit a certain percentage of minority students with each freshman class. And, donít forget, athletes are frequently given priority over academic students and one area that SSVC has excelled at is recruiting athletes.
Yes, Terry, affirmative action results in academically unprepared students being admitted to college based on race quotas. It's bogus and has been from the outset. Merit is the gold standard for admission regardless of race, creed, ethnic background, etc. The matter of athletes is an entirely different issue. Lots of looking the other way to get a speedy halfback with low academic achievement into college. Then the graduation rate of the colleges who award athletic scholarships to the unprepared must be examined. In many universities, the graduation rate is very low.
not used to

Philadelphia, PA

#14 Mar 24, 2009
Terry wrote:
I have no doubt that closing the school will have a negative social and economic impact on the families of the SSVC students as well. These are people who are not used to having to feed, clothe, entertain and babysit their own children. It will be a sad day for these families when they are forced to face normal parental responsibilities. I'm not sure how they are going to cope.
"not used to". They CAN"T! Generation upon generation attend SSVC though the PHILLY CONNECTION!
Troy

Plainfield, NJ

#15 Mar 24, 2009
anon wrote:
it will be interesting what the scot-greene people think if/when an alternative ed program goes there. everyone thinks that school is full of thugs and bad kids now (which couldn't be further from the truth) imagine what it would be like if the courts start sending kids to school there. that will be fun.....
Given that Gov. Rendell says the state should not fund/operate SSVC then why would the governor agree to having the campus be used as an Alternative Education school?
A school is a school and Gov. Rendell does not think it is the Commonwealth's job to operate a public school.
neighbor

AOL

#16 Mar 24, 2009
anon wrote:
it will be interesting what the scot-greene people think if/when an alternative ed program goes there. everyone thinks that school is full of thugs and bad kids now (which couldn't be further from the truth) imagine what it would be like if the courts start sending kids to school there. that will be fun.....
I live in Scot-Greene and I am very much concerned about what this land might be used for. Scotland Rd. is not designed for large scale access to a commercial site. I would much rather the SSVC to a branch of a local college. I do not think that SSVC is "full of thugs and bad kids". They are good neighbors. When you see them at the C-burg Mall, they are well behaved-unlike local children that frequent the mall.
Mary

Plainfield, NJ

#17 Mar 24, 2009
Bogus! Lacks credibility! The so-called "study" paid for by the union-protected mediocrities of the PSEA who are more interested in preserving teaching jobs for SSVC union members than anything else. Another poster nailed it. The flakey study shows the desperation of the PSEA and the union members at SSVC.
Holly

Plainfield, NJ

#18 Mar 24, 2009
neighbor wrote:
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I live in Scot-Greene and I am very much concerned about what this land might be used for. Scotland Rd. is not designed for large scale access to a commercial site. I would much rather the SSVC to a branch of a local college. I do not think that SSVC is "full of thugs and bad kids". They are good neighbors. When you see them at the C-burg Mall, they are well behaved-unlike local children that frequent the mall.
The Green Twp supervisors can inform you how the SSVC-occupied land is now zoned. If it's not zoned for commercial use, then it's up to local residents such as yourself to convince the township supervisors that it should remain residential. Agree?
Irving

Plainfield, NJ

#19 Mar 24, 2009
Roscoe Barnes story about the "study" got front page play. Front page above the fold.
My Money

Jerome, PA

#20 Mar 24, 2009
I have just a few questions about SSVC.

If it's such a great school why is it not overflowing with students? Gulf War, Iraq, there should be applicants everywhere.

Who is the recruiter, has he been asleep or semi-retired?

Why don't these students take SAT tests rather than walk right into college?

Why is there no votech program? Had one.

Ever since the last scare of shutting down in the early 90's no one has really stepped up to prevent where we are today. That includes Frank Frame. When you let the student body get so small what do you think would happen. Rendell is right in his decision. Kudos to Alloway, other than ask questions about the staff and property he has not backed saving the school. Kauffman fell into a trap.

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