Franklin County area bar owners: Ever...

Franklin County area bar owners: Everyone must follow same rule...

There are 20 comments on the Public Opinion story from Jan 21, 2010, titled Franklin County area bar owners: Everyone must follow same rule.... In it, Public Opinion reports that:

A couple of area bar and tavern owners said Wednesday they don't have an issue with Sheetz wanting to sell six-packs in its local stores.

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S S Fort Loudon

Mercersburg, PA

#1 Jan 21, 2010
More money for Wal-Mart
Hard truth

Greencastle, PA

#2 Jan 21, 2010
AHHH DUHHHH The bar owners don't like the idea. What a news flash that is! Who would have ever thought that?

“Illegitimi non carborundum”

Since: Apr 08

Hagerstown, MD

#3 Jan 21, 2010
I think they are concerned the grocery stores will sell the same stuff cheaper than their respective carry out places. It is time for a little competition fellows.
whatever

Carlisle, PA

#4 Jan 21, 2010
sheetz should be able to sell beer reguardless, it is sold throught the state and these greedy small taverns don't want competition, I for one would like to purchase beer without the hassle of being subject to drunk patrons at a bar and the inflated prices, who really enjoys going to dillys and having to worry about all the drunks and crackheads milling about, try to find a parking stop at the small bars to run in and make a purchase, go away
The Team For Change

York, PA

#5 Jan 21, 2010
Sorry bar owners and distributorship Nazis, your Socialist system of easy money needs to come to an end.

And stop all the "scare tactics" - afterall, it's time PA move into the 21st Century and sell beer the way 40+ states have for quite some time.

It's time to stop living in the past.

I'm done paying inflated prices to you, and having to pay outrageous prices for a 6-pack, or even a case when I really want to buy that many.
Dave

Shippensburg, PA

#6 Jan 21, 2010
When you own a bar, you have to maintain a nice bas area, eating area, kitchen, etc. You have a bar tender maybe a waitress, etc. You have to maintain a good appearance to attract customers.

You can put up a steel building with a 10' x 10' office, no interior decor, cement floor low lighting, minimum heat, & be a beer distributor.

It is natural to expect to the six packs to cost more at a bar. It has nothing to do with greed.

As long as any establishment plays by the same rules, all is fair.
The Don

Greencastle, PA

#7 Jan 21, 2010
The Bar owners don't want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. They know that convenience stores can't meet the silly requirements of the current law. Open it up to all and let the free market work!
beer

Chambersburg, PA

#8 Jan 21, 2010
All alcohol should be outlawed. We ban cigarettes in public places but not alchol. I think we all know of someone that has been killed by a drunk driver, I know of no one that has been killed by a driver smoking a cigarette in a public place.
thinking hurts

Carlisle, PA

#9 Jan 21, 2010
dave
the free market sets the rules! the business that provides the best product at the best price wins. the bar owners have never had to deal with a truly competitive market place and fear the loss of their hegemony.
All My Children

Chambersburg, PA

#10 Jan 21, 2010
I hate to be a stickler but, the entire second paragraph is not even a sentence! Does this newspaper employ editors?
cheeko

Waynesboro, PA

#11 Jan 21, 2010
beer wrote:
All alcohol should be outlawed. We ban cigarettes in public places but not alchol. I think we all know of someone that has been killed by a drunk driver, I know of no one that has been killed by a driver smoking a cigarette in a public place.
BUT YOU ARE SO WRONG...2ND HAND SMOKE BLOWN IN THE FACE HAS KILLED OTHERS
The Guy In Touch

York, PA

#12 Jan 21, 2010
Dave wrote:
When you own a bar, you have to maintain a nice bas area, eating area, kitchen, etc. You have a bar tender maybe a waitress, etc. You have to maintain a good appearance to attract customers.
You can put up a steel building with a 10' x 10' office, no interior decor, cement floor low lighting, minimum heat, & be a beer distributor.
It is natural to expect to the six packs to cost more at a bar. It has nothing to do with greed.
As long as any establishment plays by the same rules, all is fair.
WRONG.
Bottom line is, who wants the business and the beer/wine jobs - stores here in our state or the border states of OHIO, MD or WV who have better access, more variety and best of all, MUCH cheaper prices?

I just bought a 12-pack in Martinsburg WV at a chain grocery store while passing through on my way home:$6.42. Heck, you almost pay that at any Chambersburg carryout for ONE six-pack, so don't give me that "you have to maintain a good appearance to attract customers" here in PA theory.

I also can't get wine from out of state shipped to me at home.
And WHY?

Because even though PA passed a law allowing such about 3 years ago, they have YET to write the actual regulations to permit it.

And did you know that PA still - TO THIS DAY - collects an almost 18% TAX on all alcohol sales inside the state, to help Johnstown PA "recover" from its Flood of the 1930s?

Yeah I agree - this state is run by Alcohol Nazis.

That's why I buy and shop in Maryland and West Virginia - and until my state gets with the modern world, I'm more than happy to support jobs for those people in those states!
dms

United States

#13 Jan 21, 2010
Pa. needs to catch up with the rest of the country. I moved here from a Ca. and this state is so old fashioned in everything. I tried to have wine shipped in here from some where else and it was a no go. Beer, wine and spirits should be sold in stores.

The smoking laws should be upgraded to no smoking in Bars and Clubs. Second hand smoke does kill!!
S Fleck

Brooklyn, NY

#14 Jan 21, 2010
I do not agree that Sheetz should be able to sell beer in there stores.I think PA needs to stand on their laurels and fight this.
Smitty

Chambersburg, PA

#15 Jan 21, 2010
In the past I've ripped the PO for pumping out countless articles on the same topic (SSVC closing for example). However, I fully support them pumping out multiple articles about beer.

Makes me want to go crack one right now. Ahhwooooo!
You Gotta Be Kidding Me

Chambersburg, PA

#16 Jan 21, 2010
S Fleck wrote:
I do not agree that Sheetz should be able to sell beer in there stores.I think PA needs to stand on their laurels and fight this.
You're killin' me. Why should Sheetz not be able to sell beer? Because you've made a personal judgement that says beer is bad. People who drink beer are bad. Sheetz is bad for wanting to sell beer. Blah, blah, blah.

Wake up. What sort of fairy world are you living in? In most states, you can pick up a six-pack or a bottle of wine at a grocery store or convenience store. It's very convenient. It's nice. Who the hell wants to have to go to a distributor, where you have to buy an entire case when all you wanted was a six-pack?

If you don't want to buy beer, don't buy it. But don't impose your stupid morals on the rest of us. People like you are what's wrong with this state. Hell, you're what's wrong with this country.
Dave

Shippensburg, PA

#17 Jan 21, 2010
The Guy In Touch wrote:
<quoted text>
WRONG.
Bottom line is, who wants the business and the beer/wine jobs - stores here in our state or the border states of OHIO, MD or WV who have better access, more variety and best of all, MUCH cheaper prices?
I just bought a 12-pack in Martinsburg WV at a chain grocery store while passing through on my way home:$6.42. Heck, you almost pay that at any Chambersburg carryout for ONE six-pack, so don't give me that "you have to maintain a good appearance to attract customers" here in PA theory.
I also can't get wine from out of state shipped to me at home.
And WHY?
Because even though PA passed a law allowing such about 3 years ago, they have YET to write the actual regulations to permit it.
And did you know that PA still - TO THIS DAY - collects an almost 18% TAX on all alcohol sales inside the state, to help Johnstown PA "recover" from its Flood of the 1930s?
Yeah I agree - this state is run by Alcohol Nazis.
That's why I buy and shop in Maryland and West Virginia - and until my state gets with the modern world, I'm more than happy to support jobs for those people in those states!
I was talking about beer distributors and bars here in PA in response to someone calling the bars greedy for selling their beer for more. But hey, feel free to assume what ever in your narrow little mind.

It is only right to tax things like alcohol because alcohol use costs the state in things like traffic accidents, domestic abuse, people unable to work, medical expenses etc.

Buy by the case if its money you want to save or couldn't you wait until you got home.
kidding

Thomasville, NC

#18 Jan 21, 2010
while we're out lawing second hand smoke, lets out law, burning wood, coal and fuel oil...all polute the air and stop driving cars and kill all the amnials for leaving off methane gases! god our fore fathers must be so disappointed in us, no wonder this country is in such sad shape

“Snarko ergo sum!”

Since: Jan 10

West of the Moon, PA

#19 Jan 21, 2010
The Guy In Touch wrote:
<quoted text>

I just bought a 12-pack in Martinsburg WV at a chain grocery store while passing through on my way home:$6.42. Heck, you almost pay that at any Chambersburg carryout for ONE six-pack,
Sounds like a finely crafted microbrew. You should write a review for BeerAdvocate magazine. You could some up it's qualities as "krappy but cheap!'

“Not fallen”

Since: May 08

WalMartBoro, PA

#20 Jan 21, 2010
dms wrote:
Pa. needs to catch up with the rest of the country. I moved here from a Ca. and this state is so old fashioned in everything. I tried to have wine shipped in here from some where else and it was a no go. Beer, wine and spirits should be sold in stores.
The smoking laws should be upgraded to no smoking in Bars and Clubs. Second hand smoke does kill!!
When I first moved here in 1974 I had lived in Tennessee and Ohio. I remember going to the Waynesboro Mall on a Sunday and there was no clothing sales - the Blue Law. At the same mall on another excursion, I noticed the clerk charged me tax on the bathing suit but not the pants. I asked her why and she said that if I could prove I need the bathing suit for basic survival, she wouldn't attach the tax. Somewhere in my senior year in high school, a guy picked me up for a date who happened to be 21. He wanted to get a six pack and we pulled up to a bar. I had to sit in the car and when he came out with the beer, I wondered why he didn't just go to the grocery store. I more ways than one, this state is an entity of it's own and, in the eyes of others, they're 30 years behind. But I've always appreciated one of the virtues of the cockamamie mindset--there's not a barroom and/or liquor store on every corner. There's a lot to be said about that. Nevertheless, I've no idea why beer, liquor & wine can't be sold in the grocery stores. After living in TN, OH and then MN, I now look back and wonder if that's why the grocery stores were so beautiful. Before PA, everywhere I ever lived, the grocery store was an 'event'. For example, Liberal in OH was a huge grocer with carpeting and a restaurant. MN has specific beer/liquor stores--huge places. I've also been shopping in the famous grocery store in Medina, MN. The shoppers wear mink coats and you can buy a 10K piece of jewelry in there. There's a large, elegant jewelry counter in there. Funny, but I now see a correlation between large volume alcohol sales and the niceties you don't see in PA grocery markets. I don't live in Chambersburg, but I just recently discovered Giant on Wayne Ave. and I felt like Dorothy in OZ, LOL.

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