Kingsley awarded roundabout construction contract

The South Londonderry supervisors this week approved a $503,078 bid for construction of a three-legged roundabout on Route 117 outside Campbelltown. Read more
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goldie

Powellville, MD

#1 Jul 16, 2010
Low bid means cost cutting inferior products for road construction. Hope it holds up better than the Dead Mans Curve and other Rt. 83 reconstruction that are already crumbling after only 4yrs.
reader

York, PA

#2 Jul 16, 2010
goldie wrote:
Low bid means cost cutting inferior products for road construction. Hope it holds up better than the Dead Mans Curve and other Rt. 83 reconstruction that are already crumbling after only 4yrs.
Maybe "Kingsley" would do a better job than "Kinsley".
YDR Watcher

AOL

#3 Jul 16, 2010
You can't even get the spelling correct in the title? Proofread baby, proofread!!
Oscar

York, PA

#4 Jul 16, 2010
Maybe it is Kingsley and we can hope for a longer life to the pavement. As an aside, what if the townships took the second lowest bid? That's often what I do when looking at projects like paving, etc. The lowest is usually the worst and there will be problems. This highest either doesn't know what they are doing or just doesn't want to do it, but the middle guys are where to go.

I wonder why the township officers would use to pave their own driveway? OK. Probably Kinsley because they'd get a big break on the price ...
Bill

York, PA

#5 Jul 16, 2010
Well hope they are ready for all of the change orders Kinsley will be sending them. They miight want to start getting bids for the repair work that will need to be done 6 months to a year after the project is complete.
Serious

United States

#6 Jul 16, 2010
Now, with this title, is there any wonder why newspaper circulation is down?
Watch them

York, PA

#7 Jul 16, 2010
They know how to get out of doing work. Had a bad experience with one of the kids. Big talker, then didn't follow up on it. Taxpayers ended up footing the bill to correct.
Reality Check

York, PA

#8 Jul 16, 2010
Is this construction company owned by Ben Kingsley. I wasn't aware he was from York.
you tell me

Manchester, PA

#9 Jul 16, 2010
Bill, how do you know that they will submit any more change orders then the next lowest bidder? Come on, be real change orders are a part of construction no matter what firm your dealing with.
Who is at fault

Red Lion, PA

#10 Jul 16, 2010
you tell me wrote:
Bill, how do you know that they will submit any more change orders then the next lowest bidder? Come on, be real change orders are a part of construction no matter what firm your dealing with.
Who is really at fault for the bad paving?
I would think that the state is responsible for the mixture percentages
and I recall reading they had this same problem in other parts of the state
done by other contracters.Kinsley may have there short comings but I think the
state was the culprit in this failure.
Bill

York, PA

#11 Jul 16, 2010
you tell me wrote:
Bill, how do you know that they will submit any more change orders then the next lowest bidder? Come on, be real change orders are a part of construction no matter what firm your dealing with.
Hey who Kinsley is the KING of change orders. He under bids every project t get it then runs them over budget by at least 2 times the original bid. Just look at every project he does and. it is easy to see how he bids projects.
you tell me

Manchester, PA

#12 Jul 17, 2010
Come on Bill. Its obvious your not a fan of Kinsley...but be realistic. Runs them over budget by 2 times? Ha if any heavy civil contractor did this they would be removed from the bid list a long time ago. I think you should talk about facts, not make up crap. You want to know the truth? If the owner would spend the money to hire a good engineering firm that will produce 100% complete bid documents without any "holes" in them then this wouldn't happen. But again, as long as the owner goes with the "low bid" for the design this is what you'll get.
Tony

York, PA

#13 Jul 17, 2010
you tell me wrote:
Come on Bill. Its obvious your not a fan of Kinsley...but be realistic. Runs them over budget by 2 times? Ha if any heavy civil contractor did this they would be removed from the bid list a long time ago. I think you should talk about facts, not make up crap. You want to know the truth? If the owner would spend the money to hire a good engineering firm that will produce 100% complete bid documents without any "holes" in them then this wouldn't happen. But again, as long as the owner goes with the "low bid" for the design this is what you'll get.
You sound like you've been there. Me too. Nothing entices like low prices.

Since: Jul 10

York, PA

#14 Jul 17, 2010
you tell me wrote:
Come on Bill. Its obvious your not a fan of Kinsley...but be realistic. Runs them over budget by 2 times? Ha if any heavy civil contractor did this they would be removed from the bid list a long time ago. I think you should talk about facts, not make up crap. You want to know the truth? If the owner would spend the money to hire a good engineering firm that will produce 100% complete bid documents without any "holes" in them then this wouldn't happen. But again, as long as the owner goes with the "low bid" for the design this is what you'll get.
Go look at any project Kinsley bid one and see how much he ran over budget on. Best exaple the court house. He went all most 2.5 times over budget, cut corneres, didn't follow the specs the architects and engineering firms had spelled out and the list goes on.
Tony

York, PA

#15 Jul 17, 2010
john doe 000069 wrote:
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Go look at any project Kinsley bid one and see how much he ran over budget on. Best exaple the court house. He went all most 2.5 times over budget, cut corneres, didn't follow the specs the architects and engineering firms had spelled out and the list goes on.
When a project runs over budget it isn't the contractor's fault. The contractor is locked into his price. The contractor isn't ripping anyone off if the owner decides he wants something that wasn't in the specs. If what you say about the court house is true, why didn't the county sue him for performance?

Since: Jul 10

York, PA

#16 Jul 17, 2010
Tony wrote:
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When a project runs over budget it isn't the contractor's fault. The contractor is locked into his price. The contractor isn't ripping anyone off if the owner decides he wants something that wasn't in the specs. If what you say about the court house is true, why didn't the county sue him for performance?
Changes orders come about two ways.
1. The owner wants a change made.
2. The contractor files one because he missed something in the bid and or in the specs.
Kinsley is famous for the second. All because he waits until the last minute to have his estimators go over the bid package. He tries to low ball the price to get the job then counts on the change orders to make up for it.
The majority of the change orders for the court house came from KINSLEY and not the county.
you tell me

Manchester, PA

#17 Jul 17, 2010
John Doe, its obvious you aren't in the construction business. If a contractor misses something in the specs or bid then the contractor eats it. The owner does not pay extra for something that was already in the bid documents. If the owner does, then heck that is the owners own fault based on stupidity and for not knowing their own bid documents. If this was the case with a certain owner then I would certainly submit even more change orders! Nothing like getting paid for something twice!
Tony

York, PA

#18 Jul 18, 2010
john doe 000069 wrote:
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Changes orders come about two ways.
1. The owner wants a change made.
2. The contractor files one because he missed something in the bid and or in the specs.
Kinsley is famous for the second. All because he waits until the last minute to have his estimators go over the bid package. He tries to low ball the price to get the job then counts on the change orders to make up for it.
The majority of the change orders for the court house came from KINSLEY and not the county.
Several things in your post demonstrate that you have no experience in the construction industry. First, if the contractor misses something in his bid he eats it. I have never heard of a contractor getting a change order because he missed something. Second, a change order never comes from the contractor. The change order is a revision of the contract and therefore any change order comes from the owner. So you can rate the truth with lemons and x's all you want, but the truth is the truth.
YDR Watcher

York, PA

#19 Jul 19, 2010
Tony wrote:
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Several things in your post demonstrate that you have no experience in the construction industry. First, if the contractor misses something in his bid he eats it. I have never heard of a contractor getting a change order because he missed something. Second, a change order never comes from the contractor. The change order is a revision of the contract and therefore any change order comes from the owner. So you can rate the truth with lemons and x's all you want, but the truth is the truth.
Tony is 100% correct, it works this way on the mechanical side too. Contractor misses the spec = he eats it. The owner wants something different = he pays for it. The engineer made a mistake = the owner pays for it and takes the architect / engineer to court. The new Y.C. Courthouse is a perfect example of this....
Tony

Mount Laurel, NJ

#20 Jul 19, 2010
YDR Watcher wrote:
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Tony is 100% correct, it works this way on the mechanical side too. Contractor misses the spec = he eats it. The owner wants something different = he pays for it. The engineer made a mistake = the owner pays for it and takes the architect / engineer to court. The new Y.C. Courthouse is a perfect example of this....
One mistake in your post. Engineers don't make mistakes. Just ask them. lol

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