California Proposition 19: the Mariju...

California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

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Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#10988 Jun 12, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Here is what I wrote: "I see people smoke cigarettes because they are a nervous wreck without it. They smell, their skin looks aged, they smell." I never wrote "smelly". LIAR! Decent and not decent women and men smoke tobacco. I don't like to breath their stink they create. I would never want to kiss a woman that just smoked a cig.
RiccardoFire.

Thank you for clarifying this matter. Would you be so kind as to describe what decent women and men who smoke tobacco smell like? Would you consider publishing a book describing your adventures in smelling for the benefits of those of us who have better things to do than going around smelling people?

Ronald
waco1954

United States

#10989 Jun 12, 2012
Women are hard enough to get without crossing off the ones who smoke.
Provocateur

Denver, CO

#10990 Jun 12, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Edited for facts.

So you're saying prohibition worked and tobacco smoke is good for children? You and Asian guy need to stay out of the medicine cabinet.

122 Die Daily in the U.S. for Lack of Healthcare
Annual Causes of Death in the United States
Tobacco 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000
Alcohol 85,000
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 0

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#10991 Jun 12, 2012
Asian Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
there you go again advocating that ALL drugs be legalized.
obviously, you did not look at my last post on krokodil. here it is again for you to read.
http://mystoryofrecovery.com/2011/09/16/warni...
after reading it, tell me... if you still advocate legalizing all drugs.
Krokodil, like wood-alcohol, is exactly the kind of drug which appears due to the prohibition of some drug. It exploded in Russia after a severe repression of the use of heroin.

So yes, after reading that I am even more convinced that we should legalize all drugs. Krokodil would not exist if drugs were all legal.

And you cannot fight against Krocodil, for it is easy to produce from well known legal medications. The only way to fight against the use of Krokodil is the legalization of all drugs, exactly like the only way to make disappear wood-alcohol has been the legalization of alcohol.
Provocateur

Denver, CO

#10993 Jun 13, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>

473,000 die prematurely from tobacco-related illnesses; 53,000 of these are nonsmokers.
6,500,000 use heroin, crack, speed, PCP, cocaine or some other hard drug on a regular basis.
1,000+ die from sniffing household substances found under the kitchen sink. About 20 percent of all eighth-graders have "huffed" toxic substances. Thousands suffer permanent neurological damage.
37,000,000, or one out of every six Americans, regularly use emotion controlling medical drugs. The users are mostly women. The pushers are doctors; the suppliers are pharmaceutical companies; the profits are stupendous.
2,000,000 nonhospitalized persons are given powerful mind-control drugs, sometimes described as "chemical straitjackets."

31,450,000 use marijuana; 3,000,000 of whom are heavy users.
RiccardoFire

Sacramento, CA

#10994 Jun 13, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
RiccardoFire.
Thank you for clarifying this matter. Would you be so kind as to describe what decent women and men who smoke tobacco smell like? Would you consider publishing a book describing your adventures in smelling for the benefits of those of us who have better things to do than going around smelling people?
Ronald
Instead of reading a book on the affects of tobacco on decent women and men, I suggest you visit a lung cancer ward and interview those decent people that couldn't put down the cancer stick. RiccardoFire

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#10995 Jun 13, 2012
Ronald wrote:
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Bruno24.
Well, you are making the same wrongful argument the money grubbing free-spending out-of-control Homosexual and non-Homosexual California politicians and their increased taxation advocating pals in the pothead community make. Decent tobacco users smoke tobacco and decent tobacco users die. That is just as much a non-sequitur as is your milk argument.
I think you may be confusing mind rotting pot with tobacco. Whereas the pothead often incurs lifelong mental - and often as not physical - debility as a result of his pot addiction, tobacco use enhances mental acuity. In fact, decent tobacco users use tobacco as a "Big Government expensive "doctor-free" self-medicating delivery device. That is why decent tobacco users are usually of calm and collected demeanor. Contrast that with the crazed cannibalistic and outrageous sexual behavior that is typical of the pot addict.
Ronald
Ronald,

I am a logician. I collect the papers on the "danger of cannabis" since many years, as they illustrate systematically the most common misuse of logics and statistics. The danger of cannabis is a 100% hoax, as all scientists know since Anslinger repudiated the La Guardia Report.

I venerate as much Tobacco than Cannabis, as long as you follow the basic recommendations. For tobacco: never inhaled. Without that rule tobacco is killer one on the planet. For cannabis: always inhaled.
To speak honestly, I venerate Salvia divinorum much more, and I use psychedelic mushroom once or twice a year. Hallucinogens are far more interesting, and more healthy, than excitant or inebriant, in my opinion.

As long as people do not hurt me and the general public, they do as they want. We have fight for freedom: why do you suggest that some people can think for other people?

That attitude leads to irresponsibility in all directions followed by the ten thousand catastrophes.

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#10996 Jun 13, 2012
Bruno24 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ronald,
I am a logician. I collect the papers on the "danger of cannabis" since many years, as they illustrate systematically the most common misuse of logics and statistics. The danger of cannabis is a 100% hoax, as all scientists know since Anslinger repudiated the La Guardia Report.
I venerate as much Tobacco than Cannabis, as long as you follow the basic recommendations. For tobacco: never inhaled. Without that rule tobacco is killer one on the planet. For cannabis: always inhaled.
To speak honestly, I venerate Salvia divinorum much more, and I use psychedelic mushroom once or twice a year. Hallucinogens are far more interesting, and more healthy, than excitant or inebriant, in my opinion.
As long as people do not hurt me and the general public, they do as they want. We have fight for freedom: why do you suggest that some people can think for other people?
That attitude leads to irresponsibility in all directions followed by the ten thousand catastrophes.
you by your own admission admit to breaking the law.

mushrooms, you say? my guess is you probably do all the drugs. including heroin.

you are typical of the problem on capitol hill. drug addicts that believe they are above the law.
RiccardoFire

Sacramento, CA

#10997 Jun 13, 2012
Mushrooms have been used going way back in history. The difference is that Bruno seems to be using shrooms responsible.
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#10998 Jun 13, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Instead of reading a book on the affects of tobacco on decent women and men, I suggest you visit a lung cancer ward and interview those decent people that couldn't put down the cancer stick. RiccardoFire
RiccardoFire.

Excellent point. I guess we can attribute that to the expected progression of the 60s 70s revolutionary people's unwillingness to accept individual responsibility, instead, projecting all their philosophic failures onto the greater society.

The fact is that there has never been a scintilla of creditable evidence presented as a result of expensive taxpayer funded Big Government junk "science" "studies" to prove tobacco has ever harmed the health of anyone, much less having caused anyone to die. Historically the snake oil salesmen has been one of the most successful of all American charlatans. Just because those charlatans are now in the taxpayer funded employ of Big Government makes them no less medical-related "scientific" Quacks.

Reality is quite different. Most Americans who die are non-smokers - by far. Decent Americans who enjoy the simple pleasure of an occasional cigarette live just as long as do non smokers, and much longer than great numbers of them.

Decent Americans who enjoy the pleasure of smoking cigars are the world's most long lived persons, and their lives are certainly far more enjoyable. Decent Japanese use more tobacco than any other people. It comes as no surprise when one learns the Japanese also live longer than any other people. The Greeks use more beneficial tobacco products than any other European people. They also live longer than any other European people - witness the Euro zone financial crisis that arose primarily as a result of tobacco using Greeks living so long that the Greek retirement system simply broke.

The revolutionary 60s 70s generation *(now in power)* are beginning to die like flies. They use hard earned taxpayer money to lash out in a futile effort to find someone to blame. Today, the trendy victims are decent tobacco users. Tomorrow it may be the salt eaters, or even the drinkers of soda pop. In the unlikely event the dying 60s 70s generation should live so long, who would be next to blame?

Unfortunately, Big Government manipulators were careful to shield that revolutionary generation from end-of-life reality. Most of the dying - often as a result of some horribly painful illness - are non-smokers. Taxpayer subsidized hospices and Government hospitals are filled with millions of them, with millions more to arrive shortly.

Several years ago, tobacco using Florida Indians convinced gullible Spaniards that if Ponce De Leon would only pay them for another costly expedition, they would lead the Spaniards to the fabled fountain of youth. Thereafter they could enjoy life everlasting for the price of a few peso de ocho . This is the same promise Big Government made to gullible non-smokers. Yet, no matter how much abuse and heavy taxes Big Government ruling charlatans heap on decent women and men who enjoy the simple pleasure of tobacco use, they have yet to fulfill that promise.

Ronald
RiccardoFire

Sacramento, CA

#10999 Jun 13, 2012
Ronald wrote: "The fact is that there has never been a scintilla of creditable evidence presented as a result of expensive taxpayer funded Big Government junk "science" "studies" to prove tobacco has ever harmed the health of anyone, much less having caused anyone to die." RiccardoFire wrote: are you nuts?
waco1954

United States

#11000 Jun 13, 2012
Tell us where you get your facts Ronald.Just show us some evidence.Facts...if you will.My mom...well...she smoked every day.Then she got the lung cancer.Maybe...it was a coincidence.Maybe not.Cigarette and cigar smokers can legally smoke all they want..at home.What's the problem? Just show us your proof.
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#11001 Jun 13, 2012
waco1954 wrote:
Tell us where you get your facts Ronald.Just show us some evidence.Facts...if you will.My mom...well...she smoked every day.Then she got the lung cancer.Maybe...it was a coincidence.Maybe not.Cigarette and cigar smokers can legally smoke all they want..at home.What's the problem? Just show us your proof.
waco1954.

Yes. I agree. Its elemental to the scientific process that correlation does not necessarily mean causation. Before the Western Hemisphere was discovered, the beneficial tobacco plant was unknown to the White man. Yet, the death rate among those White men prior to its discovery was nearly 100%. This is a figure that holds true among non-smokers to this very day. Is death the result of not smoking tobacco?

Ronald
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#11002 Jun 13, 2012
waco1954 wrote:
Tell us where you get your facts Ronald.Just show us some evidence.Facts...if you will.My mom...well...she smoked every day.Then she got the lung cancer.Maybe...it was a coincidence.Maybe not.Cigarette and cigar smokers can legally smoke all they want..at home.What's the problem? Just show us your proof.
waco1954.

Well, I am certainly sorry to hear of the death of your mom. Alas, that seems to be the ultimate destiny of all mortal men. According to the historical record:

"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:" (Genesis 2:16)

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17)

In the case of your mom, what would you prefer she had died from? Lung cancer - although it is rarely found among decent tobacco smokers - is relatively painless and quick when one compares it to other far more horrible ways to die.

You ask me to provide you with evidence. That is very hard to do since Big Government seized control of and politicized Big Medicine and taxpayer money dependent Big Academia. You see, with Big Researchers dependent of the good graces of their Big Government masters, the effective politicization of their "research findings" should come as no surprise.

Even so, here is a link to an excellent article written by the respected Medical Doctor James P. Siepmann, MD that was published in the Journal of Theoretics. Dr Siepmann was kind enough to append an excellent bibliography to his article wherein he published his scientific findings. We can thank Dr. Siepmann for his interest in this matter because, although lung cancer is rarely found among decent tobacco smokers, the issue is entitled to be addressed without the veil of Big Government tax and control related political correctness.

Please keep in mind, waco1954 what scientific researchers at Forces has said about the Big Government promoted cancer/decent tobacco smoker link:

"The mechanisms of cancer are not known. It is NOT possible to conclusively attribute a cause to effects whose mechanisms are not fully understood."

"Lung cancer has 40 suspected concomitants, that is, 40 different suspected causes randomly interacting in different amounts for each individual. Though it is true that there is a prevalence of smokers among lung cancer patients, that may be due to the prevalence of other concomitants in the "smoking personality." If that is the case, quitting smoking would not affect the onset of lung cancer. And those who have quit smoking and reached an old age cannot claim that this is due to abstinence from tobacco."

"The ever-present, endlessly repeated "facts" from the anti-tobacco groups and pharmaceutical industry are wholly mistaken when they say, "if it was not for smoking, lung cancer would be a very rare disease." Lung cancer IS a very rare disease. According to the WHO's own statistics, it affects less than 1% of the population. That means that lung cancer is a very rare disease even among smokers."

Source: http://tinyurl.com/88g6q59

Ronald
waco1954

Monroe, LA

#11003 Jun 13, 2012
I said my mom had lung cancer.I didn't say she died from it.Cancer is a bitch.Watched Too many friends die of that filthy disease.
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#11004 Jun 13, 2012
waco1954 wrote:
I said my mom had lung cancer.I didn't say she died from it.Cancer is a bitch.Watched Too many friends die of that filthy disease.
waco1954.

Lung cancer is a very rare disease, rare among non smokers and decent tobacco smokers alike. It is almost unbelievable that there has been a cluster of lung cancers among so many of your friends. Do you suppose the causative agent may have been taxpayer funded Government developed and promoted "legal" medications that may have been injected into their bodies when your friends were still little tykes?

Ronald
waco1954

Monroe, LA

#11005 Jun 13, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
waco1954.
Lung cancer is a very rare disease, rare among non smokers and decent tobacco smokers alike. It is almost unbelievable that there has been a cluster of lung cancers among so many of your friends. Do you suppose the causative agent may have been taxpayer funded Government developed and promoted "legal" medications that may have been injected into their bodies when your friends were still little tykes?
Ronald
They died of lung and liver cancers...one of pancreatic.Mark my words...cancer can be caused by a variety of artificial environmental factors.By the way..i'm new here...what is a"decent"cigarette smoker?
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#11006 Jun 13, 2012
waco1954 wrote:
<quoted text> They died of lung and liver cancers...one of pancreatic.Mark my words...cancer can be caused by a variety of artificial environmental factors.By the way..i'm new here...what is a"decent"cigarette smoker?
waco1954.

Yes. I agree. The Government medical industry poorly understands the interactions of thousands of the carcinogenic agents that may cause cancer. What IS known is that Marijuana - including "medicinal" Marijuana - is one of the many causal factors that result in cancer.

Even so, imposing Big Taxes on "the little folks" who enjoy the simple pleasure of treating themselves to an occasional tobacco product is so lucrative that the high priests of Big Government Medicine invariably "blame" innocuous tobacco, as well as demonizing the decent women and men whose enjoyment of life is enhanced by using it.

Most lung cancers are the result of common materials that are used to construct the modern home, including oil based household carpets, pressed wood cabinetry, formaldehyde, and insulation materials that serve the purpose of keeping deadly household carcinogens confined to the home environment.

Ronald
waco1954

Monroe, LA

#11007 Jun 13, 2012
Where is the proof that weed is carcinogenic? The government seems to want it to stay illegal.I'd like the govt.to stay out of my personal life.
RiccardoFire

Sacramento, CA

#11008 Jun 13, 2012
Lung cancer was not common prior to the 1930s but increased dramatically over the following decades as tobacco smoking increased. In many developing countries, the incidence of lung cancer is beginning to fall following public education about the dangers of cigarette smoking and the introduction of effective smoking-cessation programs. The incidence of lung cancer is strongly correlated with cigarette smoking, with about 90% of lung cancers arising as a result of tobacco use.
I never would have thought in the year 2012 that I would be arguing with a person that doesn't think tobacco is harmful. It's a worldwide problem. The worldwide medical industry all agrees.

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