Foggy bottom: Passengers tell their s...

Foggy bottom: Passengers tell their stories as construction at airp...

There are 59 comments on the Eureka Times Standard story from Sep 13, 2010, titled Foggy bottom: Passengers tell their stories as construction at airp.... In it, Eureka Times Standard reports that:

The sentiment is shared by hundreds of local passengers who have experienced firsthand the nearly 75 percent of delayed or canceled flights out of the Arcata-Eureka Airport in the past month.

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Eureka, CA

#1 Sep 13, 2010
This is squarely the TS's fault. From the get-go it failed to discuss the nature of the delays, to explain what their readers could expect. This is what printing press releases gets you -- the ire of your readership.

Sunnyvale, CA

#3 Sep 13, 2010
I know they mention "the end of the year" in the article but does anybody know the scheduled date for the ILS system to come back online?
Moon Pie

Alameda, CA

#4 Sep 13, 2010
Gump wrote:
I know they mention "the end of the year" in the article but does anybody know the scheduled date for the ILS system to come back online?
You mean LSD?

“Truth is Difficult to Find!”

Since: Dec 07

Eureka/Hoopa, CA

#5 Sep 13, 2010
It would seem cheaper to just drive to SF or Redding to catch one's flight. But wait, delays can be caused in other ways to, yes? Damned if you do or don't.

Hackensack, NJ

#6 Sep 13, 2010
This is the definition of incompetence. Anybody with a clue knows that ACV is foggy and one cannot land there without fog instruments. The strip was originally built there by the military to study FOG.

The airport manager, Mrs Hulsey, should be let go. The management of that airport is clearly a catastrophe. Did the federal government just institute this regulation or did they just blow off implementation until the last minute? Yeah, I thought so.

Sunnyvale, CA

#7 Sep 13, 2010
Sorry, I didn't realize there was another article. Looks like two more weeks.

Richmond, CA

#8 Sep 13, 2010
Didn't some pointed head proffessors from the bay area report last year that there was LESS fog on the northcoast due to global warming???? They reported that this would greatly effect the redwoods. This year there is 25% more!!! Yep, it's getting colder and foggier, so it must be global warming.... uh, change.
Cracks Me Up

Eureka, CA

#9 Sep 13, 2010
The rental car employee said, "We're renting a lot of cars that we just don't have."

...Ummmm.... Well that must have been interesting seeing these people "drive" off the lot with no car underneath their butts!" ;P

Eureka, CA

#10 Sep 13, 2010
Incredibly stupid mismanagement, a real mess which the airlines and the local authorities are together in creating. My daughter was on flight 6659 out of San Francisco into Arcata; 16 hours from Delhi to new Jersey and then she ends up being flown in circles for hours, and kicked loose in Redding, with absolutely no way to get home. This might have all been an understandable glitch,however,this was united express,and neither they, or Arcata would give us ANY clear information.Nothing on the United website,except "diverted" Whenever we called Arcata they were evasive, telling us only that the flight would be returning Sunday morning, when in fact this was not true at all. This is inexcusable, really, to treat people this way.
AmIMissingSometh ing

Whitethorn, CA

#11 Sep 13, 2010
Could someone please report WHY the navigation system must be "knocked out" for the months-long duration of the construction, and why it isn't feasible to have a temporary back-up system in place for the time being, please?

Los Angeles, CA

#12 Sep 13, 2010
I am flying into Arcata this weekend. I am flying out of LAX at 8pm and land in Arcata at I wasting my time? Will my flight be re-directed?
Humboldt Honey

Novato, CA

#13 Sep 13, 2010
My husband was ACV airport on Friday negotiating with UA agents regarding flights to Atlanta via SFO.
This long planned and paid for trip has been
a nightmare since mid summer when news of shutdown
was first 'mentioned'. Point is, he overhead sheriff
at airport telling another customer that this project won't be a go until November:~)
World Goer

United States

#14 Sep 13, 2010
I've been stuck in Tanzania for 4 days because the one plane in the fleet had an electrical fire and they needed to "fix" it before we left. Since the flight could take off at anytime we literally slept in the airport for the last 2 days. The flight to Kenya was so scary I thought I was going to die. Sorry, but getting stuck in ACV, RED or SFO is not that big a deal.

My flight was diverted last week after a long trip to South America and all you can do is roll with it. I watched people freak out on United staff, acting like 12 year olds throwing a temper tantrum. This behavior is inexcusable regardless of how inconvenienced you are. The ticket counter people are not to blame and it is reprehensible to curse and yell at them as if they were your punching bag.

I've been in and out of Arcata for 15 years and it is always a crapshoot. Horizon can land in foggier conditions, however United would not be able to land here regardless because their planes are not equipped with the proper gear for low-visibility landings. Part of the expansion project is to allow larger planes which are properly equipped to deal with our weather to land.
ACV Airport Blues

Eureka, CA

#15 Sep 13, 2010

Concord, CA

#16 Sep 13, 2010
This airport is the main reason I moved away. It is bad for business.

United States

#17 Sep 13, 2010
The T-S states: "The two were scheduled to arrive in Humboldt County at 4 p.m., but wound up being redirected to Redding when the plane couldn't land in heavy fog. By the time she was able to catch a bus across the winding Route 299 to Arcata, it was close to midnight."

There is a new bus system, actually more like shuttle system, that goes between Arcata and Redding Mon./Wed./Fri. respectively now. However, there is no other transportation between inland and the coast without having to go through the Bay Area and Sacramento, unless of course you fly. With this in mind, how were they able to catch the bus at 12am? Even the shuttle bus quits running by early evening.
Frank Rizzo

Santa Rosa, CA

#18 Sep 13, 2010
ACV is a nightmare even in good weather. The larger issue though is connecting out of SFO who's ATC system sucks all the time. Even if you can get out of here, delays of all types at SFO have caused me many many missed flights and headaches. The main issue with our airport, and this was mentioned earlier, why in the heck wasn't done earlier and why is there no backup or temporary ILS system in place?
Mark Lovelace

Arcata, CA

#19 Sep 13, 2010
I absolutely agree that we could be doing more to inform the public about the potential for delays or cancellations, and about their available travel options. I have been working on this issue over the weekend, along with our Airport Manager and the Director of Public Works, and I believe that you will be seeing an increase in the flow of information starting Monday. However, I do need to correct a couple of statements in the article above.

The statement that 75% of flights have been cancelled or delayed is erroneous. Of 481 flights scheduled, 73 have been cancelled, and of those only 55 were due to the ILS shutdown. This equates to roughly 11%.

The ILS cannot be simply turned on or off at will. The work being done has the potential not just to interrupt the ILS, but to affect its accuracy. That is why the FAA required it to be shut down until construction is finished. As you can imagine, any system that is to be relied upon to allow pilots to make their approach blind had better be accurate!

The FAA will have to fly a test approach with a specially-equipped plane to test the accuracy of the system before they will allow it to be used again for commercial flights. This simply canít be done on a minute-to-minute or even a day-to-day basis.

I apologize to anyone whose flight has been delayed, cancelled or redirected as a result of this project. I promise you that we are looking at every option available to us, but the main issue here is to get through this project and get everything up and running again as soon as possible.


San Leandro, CA

#21 Sep 13, 2010
Drive your car.
Arcata Dude

Arcata, CA

#22 Sep 13, 2010
I would *love* to be able to fly in and out of Arcata. I travel a lot for work. I always drive to SFO to catch my planes. I'd rather plan on making the drive home 100% of the time than have to do it unexpectedly 50% of the time. And that was *BEFORE* this most recent mess.

Our airport is a joke. There should be a disclaimer printed on every ticket to ACV. Or maybe just combine ACV and RDD as one destination - you will either end up one place or the other.

Hope it gets better after the expansion. Not holding my breath.

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