Eddie

Pittsburgh, PA

#1 Mar 26, 2013
How can we assist these families? How about if we all stop talking about March Madness, politics in McKeesport, the machine, I'll stop talking about Welfare. Let's realize what is important. These poor people lost their homes, people lost their pets. In my house my dog and cats live better than me and are my family. I would be absolutely devastated to lose them.

What can we do to help? Is there a fund being set up? Does anyone know?
Troublemaker

Pittsburgh, PA

#2 Mar 26, 2013
Eddie wrote:
How can we assist these families? How about if we all stop talking about March Madness, politics in McKeesport, the machine, I'll stop talking about Welfare. Let's realize what is important. These poor people lost their homes, people lost their pets. In my house my dog and cats live better than me and are my family. I would be absolutely devastated to lose them.
What can we do to help? Is there a fund being set up? Does anyone know?
It rarely happens, but I agree with you on this.

But my problem is why all these houses were destroyed because of water pressure. What ARE they doing with ALL that money collected for the insane water rates we pay?

At the risk of pissing off you and a bunch of people, I'd say somebody needs to call a lawyer. And I don't care if the cause was carelessness or faulty wiring at the one house. The other ones didn't have to burn.
Who is

Pittsburgh, PA

#4 Mar 26, 2013
Troublemaker wrote:
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It rarely happens, but I agree with you on this.
But my problem is why all these houses were destroyed because of water pressure. What ARE they doing with ALL that money collected for the insane water rates we pay?
At the risk of pissing off you and a bunch of people, I'd say somebody needs to call a lawyer. And I don't care if the cause was carelessness or faulty wiring at the one house. The other ones didn't have to burn.
I agree...we pay taxes, water bills in this City. The extent of damage to these homes should not have happened. Who will answer for this? Is it the water authority failure to maintain the system? Was there ineptness of officials responsible for overseeing this? Was it incompetance of the Fire Service that is a shell of what it once was and what it should be? We need answers, we deserve answers and we should demand answers!!! It is time we held our public safety and City Adminstrators responsible!!! I agree...time to shock these people in to reality. These residents need to lawyer up and make a statement!!!
Eddie

Pittsburgh, PA

#5 Mar 26, 2013
Thanks.

I too agree that someone needs to answer to this. I'm no expert but, I'd say with all of the antiquated water/sewage lines etc in this region (county,city,state) you will find a contributing issue.

I just think maybe we as residents can put aside our issues/differences, etc and help in some way. This is what's wrong with society nowadays, we lose the compassion etc.. I feel horrible for all of those affected, and I have a rather large soft spot for animals.

Thanks T- Maker
Troublemaker wrote:
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It rarely happens, but I agree with you on this.
But my problem is why all these houses were destroyed because of water pressure. What ARE they doing with ALL that money collected for the insane water rates we pay?
At the risk of pissing off you and a bunch of people, I'd say somebody needs to call a lawyer. And I don't care if the cause was carelessness or faulty wiring at the one house. The other ones didn't have to burn.

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#6 Mar 26, 2013
Eddie wrote:
Thanks.
I too agree that someone needs to answer to this. I'm no expert but, I'd say with all of the antiquated water/sewage lines etc in this region (county,city,state) you will find a contributing issue.
I just think maybe we as residents can put aside our issues/differences, etc and help in some way. This is what's wrong with society nowadays, we lose the compassion etc.. I feel horrible for all of those affected, and I have a rather large soft spot for animals.
Thanks T- Maker
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I'm with you Eddie, I would be glad to donate money to help those families out. I am also an animal lover with 2 dogs and 5 cats (3 recently rescued from Safe Haven, went for one and they talked me into 3, I'm such a sucker). Why don't you set something up and we can all send checks to you?
Eddie

Pittsburgh, PA

#7 Mar 26, 2013
Thanks Gentle Reader. I personally would rather send directly to those involved, or if there is a bank account set up to assist those, that would be wonderful. I have lived in the city all of my life, barring one year and i don't recognize the names of the people affected. I was hoping that someone who reads and contributes to TOPIX would know the folks and can shed some light as to what can be done.
ed mann

Mckeesport, PA

#8 Mar 26, 2013
You have one of the busiest most experienced fire departments in Allegheny County. I assure it was not ineptness. When fire hydrants don't work place the blame accordingly. Mawc maintains the hydrants and water lines. The guy in charge wasted no time requesting tanker trucks for water. The questions should be squarely directed at Mawc.
It could happen to anyone

Mckeesport, PA

#9 Mar 27, 2013
Eddie wrote:
How can we assist these families? How about if we all stop talking about March Madness, politics in McKeesport, the machine, I'll stop talking about Welfare. Let's realize what is important. These poor people lost their homes, people lost their pets. In my house my dog and cats live better than me and are my family. I would be absolutely devastated to lose them.
What can we do to help? Is there a fund being set up? Does anyone know?
I recognized one of the displaced persons shown on the news as a long-time waitress / bartender from the Elbow Room.
They would know of any efforts to assist those affected.
I would imagine a call to the Salvation Army and Red Cross would turn up specific info for helping.
Must Know Problem

Mckeesport, PA

#10 Mar 27, 2013
ed mann wrote:
You have one of the busiest most experienced fire departments in Allegheny County. I assure it was not ineptness. When fire hydrants don't work place the blame accordingly. Mawc maintains the hydrants and water lines. The guy in charge wasted no time requesting tanker trucks for water. The questions should be squarely directed at Mawc.
I tend to agree that the issue could be MAWC. All city hydrants should be checked for pressure on some schedule.

The hydrant could have adequate pressure but the flow could be restricted due to crud build up. I assume that our fireman had no difficulty in fully opening the hydrant valve? If not then the valve must have malfunctioned.

I doubt that pressure is the problem because the hydorstatic head should be provided from the elevation of the storage tank in Haler Heights.

The fire truck pumps should be able to pull a good suction even if the pressure due to high flow was reduced some.

The specific problem needs to be isolated. Was it an valve malfuction or inadequate volumetic flow or low hydrant pressure? Any one could have been the issue.
John Gage

Mckeesport, PA

#11 Mar 27, 2013
The water tank in Haler heights has no affect in Grandview. You'd be surprised to know that Haler Heights has horrible water pressure. The line the hydrant was on is a 4 inch line. The amount of fire encountered required a large volume of water. This amount was not feasible on a 4 inch line. Consider the fact that supply line carried by fd's is 5 inches in diameter. It's unfortunate what happened but I'm thankful more houses were not lost. Those guys did a great job considering the circumstances.
Must Know Problem

Mckeesport, PA

#12 Mar 27, 2013
John Gage wrote:
The water tank in Haler heights has no affect in Grandview. You'd be surprised to know that Haler Heights has horrible water pressure. The line the hydrant was on is a 4 inch line. The amount of fire encountered required a large volume of water. This amount was not feasible on a 4 inch line. Consider the fact that supply line carried by fd's is 5 inches in diameter. It's unfortunate what happened but I'm thankful more houses were not lost. Those guys did a great job considering the circumstances.
The Haler Heights tank is thought to be the hydrostatic source for those hydrants lower than it. I might be wrong but I know of no other tank but there may be one that I do not know about over toward Centenial School.

Yes HH would have lower pressure for homes next to tank. It is very easy to estimate one's water pressure with respect to the HH tank elevation. The tank might be 45 feet high and that translates into about 20 psi at the base of the tank.

If you have one of those high end navigation system in your vehicle that give elevation u can estimate the pressure at elevations below the “below the top of water” in the tank.

Every 100 feet change in elevation is about a 45 psi increase for no flow conditions.

I agree with you that the flow was reduced due to substantial volumetric flow and the fact that 4 inch lines essentially throttled the flow paths. It is conceivable that the volumetric flow reached the maximum possible for the inherent flow restriction and achieved a “choked” flow condition. In other words the maximum flow was reached at the restriction and no additional flow is physically possible no mater what the differential forcing pressure might be.

It could have been much worst and our fireman did a great job keeping it contained due to some adverse flow conditions.
Coincidence I think not

Pittsburgh, PA

#13 Mar 27, 2013
There was a hobo near the vicinity of said fire that was washing train cars and filling up water balloons. Said that he had other entertainment needs beyond his typical body search fetish that he needed to accomplish. When questioned about his waste of water resources, he is purported to have said Quote "The prothonotaries site has a different view of my activities. Feel free to research if you can cover the fees of said free site." End Quote

Investigation continues
Homeless and lost

Doylestown, PA

#16 Mar 28, 2013
my name is fracine I am the pregant woman who lost everything I went to bed with the things me and my15year old needed woke up with nothing.y???no water pressure plugs not.workin.i dont.have.a pot to piss in.or a window to throw it out my.number 4124015546 if any one could.please help me and my daughter would be wonderfull thank you and god bless..
Meth Lab Annie

Pittsburgh, PA

#19 Mar 28, 2013
A good portion of my business went up in smoke with that fire. Hope the Hobo enjoyed the use of all the friggin' water. Way to go Jim, you body searching pervo.
lawyer up

Mckeesport, PA

#20 Mar 29, 2013
Homeless and lost wrote:
my name is fracine I am the pregant woman who lost everything I went to bed with the things me and my15year old needed woke up with nothing.y???no water pressure plugs not.workin.i dont.have.a pot to piss in.or a window to throw it out my.number 4124015546 if any one could.please help me and my daughter would be wonderfull thank you and god bless..
Get an attorney.......u deserve to be compensated and these elected officials need to be held accountable!!!!!!
Lionel Hutts

Mckeesport, PA

#21 Mar 29, 2013
lawyer up wrote:
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Get an attorney.......u deserve to be compensated and these elected officials need to be held accountable!!!!!!
The problem is with the MAWC. How can you hold elected officials accountable for water lines they have no control over?
lawyer up

Mckeesport, PA

#22 Mar 29, 2013
Lionel Hutts wrote:
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The problem is with the MAWC. How can you hold elected officials accountable for water lines they have no control over?
Who runs the MAWC? Political appointees.
Lionel Hutts

Mckeesport, PA

#23 Mar 30, 2013
lawyer up wrote:
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Who runs the MAWC? Political appointees.
Umm you seem to be a little lost, let me help you. MAWC= Municipal Authority of Westmoreland County. That's the water provider for the city. No political appointees. You're referencing the MACM. MACM= Municipal Authority City of McKeesport. Anything else I can help you with?
greenroad

Olympia, WA

#24 Mar 30, 2013
follow the money. Were the structures insured? Is the land worth more with current buildings or future plans?

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