McKeesport shooting kills two men

Two McKeesport men, one of whom survived a shooting two years ago, were fatally shot on the front porch of a friend's home early this morning, police said.

[debbie younger]

i think it's ashame all these young black men are getting access to the guns that they are using to kill each other with. When is the government going to try to put a stop to all this crime, and a stop to easy access to guns.

One of the young men that was shot and killed was the father of my grandson. Now my grandson has no father nor do any of his other kids. We need to definately step up as citizens and try to put a stop to all this crime. God please help us all.

[john wilson]

There's the key: "easy access" to guns. That is not the legal, time-consuming, offical, paperwork process. Criminals do it the easy way: they buy guns from other criminals, pass them around, steal them. How about a neighborhood "round up" ALL OVER the CITY, and frisk every male over 12 in one massive sweep? I'm sure that's probably illegal, or unconstitutional, but just speculate how many ILLEGAL GUNS would show up. Makes you wonder how we could ever solve/remove the criminal element from the illegal gun business.

[Eddie]

A couple of thoughts come to mind in response to this comment... I don't own a gun and I do not want one, nor am I a member of the NRA. I am however for gun control. Gun control in general is a good idea. I don't think that the government will ever be able to eliminate guns all together. How about restricting the sale of what goes in a gun? Restricting the sale of bullets? Or better yet, and the most logical solution is called parenting. Yes, parenting. How is raising a child and eliminating black on black crime(or black on white,white on white,white on Jewish,Polish on Slovak,male on female, etc...) the government's dilemma? Why is it the government's job? Murder is horrific, wheter you are black, white, asian,gay,straight or whatever. Raise your children, teach them right from wrong. If your child does something wrong, show them who the boss is. Teach them respect. Growing up, if I screwed up, my dad took the belt to my rear end. I grew up ok, and guess what? My dad was right and I was wrong. Please do not pass the buck here. It certainly does not "take a village to raise a child". Take responsibility of what goes on under your roof.

debbie younger wrote:

i think it's ashame all these young black men are getting access to the guns that they are using to kill each other with. When is the government going to try to put a stop to all this crime, and a stop to easy access to guns.
One of the young men that was shot and killed was the father of my grandson. Now my grandson has no father nor do any of his other kids. We need to definately step up as citizens and try to put a stop to all this crime. God please help us all.

[john wilson]

Interesting, whether you accept the Bible as an authority or not, St. Paul lays it out in Romans, chapter 13, especially verses 1-6. For Paul, government & police powers originate from God to provide a foundation for society against the innate sinfulness of mankind (hate, prejudice, greed, deadly intent, drunkenness, addictions, etc.) which if not kept in bounds produces anarchy, chaos and terror. If that isn't true, then where else does civil authority come from, the brilliance and impartiality of ancient man's imagination or philosophy?? How sad that we look for institutions or figures to blame, when responsible and clear law enforcement goes a long way to make us safer. How many citizens step up to assist community law enforcement ages with information, evidence when available or needed? If citizens won't help, see "innate sinfulness" (above). My prayers are for the survivors of those tragic victims.

[eddie-mckeesport]

Blame it all on the government its always someone elses fault!

[unknown]

The following is a quote from a newspaper article, but unfortunately the author remains unknown. This shall be directed to all of the slander towards the members of the finest police department in Allegheny County "The McKeesport Police Dept".

"Don't credit me with this mongrel prose. It has many parents-at least 535,000 of them. They are policemen. A policeman is a composite of what all men are-a mingling of saint and sinner, dust and diety.
Culled statistics wave the fan over the stinkers and underscore instances of dishonesty and brutality because they are "news". What this really means is that they are exceptional and unusual, not commonplace.
Buried under the froth is fact:Less than one-half on 1 percent of policeman misfit that uniform.That's a better average than you'd find among clergymen.
What is a policeman made of? He of all men, is at once the most needed and the most unwanted.
He's a strangely nameless creature who is "sir" to his face and "the fuzz" behind his back. He must be a diplomat so that he can settle differences between individuals in a way that each will think he won.
But, if the policeman is neat, he's conceited. If he's careless, he's a bum. If he's pleasant, he's a flirt. If he's not, he's a grouch.
In an instant, he must make decisions that would require months for a lawyer. But if he hurries, he's careless-if he's deliberate, he's lazy.
He must be first to an accident and infallible with a diagnosis.
He must be able to start breathing,stop bleeding, tie splints and above all, be sure the victim goes homewithout a limp. Or, he must expect to be sued.
The police officer must know every gun, draw on the run and hit where it doesn't hurt. He must be able to whip two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal".
If you hit him, he's a coward-if he hits you he's a bully.
A policeman must know everything and not tell. He must know where all the sin and crime is and not partake.
The policeman must, from a single human hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal-and tell you where the criminal is hiding. But if he catches the criminal, he's lucky-if he doesn't he's a dunce "not doing his job".
If he gets promoted, he has political pull. If he doesn't, he's a dullard.
The policeman must chase bum leads to dead ends and stakeout 10 nights to tag one witness who saw it happen but refuses to remember.
He runs files and write reports till his eyes ache-all in order to build a case against some felon who'll get dealed-out by a shameless shamus or an "honorable" who isn't.
The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman.
And, of course, he has to be a genius, for he has to feed a family on a policeman's salary."

WAKE UP PEOPLE. POLICE ARE NOT TO BLAME. AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THERE ARE NOT A FEW BAD ONES OUT THERE, BUT I'M SURE THERE ARE BAD CHEFS, TEACHERS, BUSINESSMEN AND SO ON ETC....FACE IT SOCIETY IN GENERAL HAS TAKEN A TURN FOR THE WORSE AND THERE MAY BE NO END IN SIGHT IF PEOPLE BLINDY WRITE IGNORANT, UN-EDUCATED GARBAGE LIKE FOUND IN THE ABOVE FORUM.

GOD BLESS AMERICA

[Eddie]

There is no excuse for murder, but, why do the majority seem to have something to do with drugs? Why do the majority occur in the wee hours of the morning, say after midnight? I am not making any excuses for this horrific crime and the murder of two men, but, if I'm not mistaken, I believe one of the men had like 6 or 8 kids. What was he doing out at this hour? Why not stay at home and take care of the kids? What kind of example does this set for the ones left behind? Earlier in this forum, I read a comment from a woman who says this man was the "father of one of my grandchildren, and now none of his kids will have a father..." If my father was running the streets at night, he wouldn't be my father anyway. My hats are off to the McKeesport Police Department as they are trying their best to keep this city safe. They can only do so much. The upbringing starts under your roof, not in the back of a police car. Take care of your own, lose the criminal mentality & take responsibility. Show some respect for authority.

[cowboy]

i remember hearing about this. word on the street was it was crawford crips shooting at bloods on the hill top. this shooting happened on the hill in mckeesport right?

[James]

Hello Debbie Younger. I know you from Duquesne many years ago. How is your sister Sharon? You may remember me as Bud Brown? We went to Elementary thru JR. High back in the day. I now reside in Arizona and work as a Director of security at a major hotel in Tempe.
Do you happen to stay in touch with my cousin Joyce Johnson? I hope all is well with you and your family.
James Buddyboy Brown