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Kids rec area divides Haler Heights neighborhood

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Tax payer

Pittsburgh, PA

#1 Sep 5, 2012
Published: Monday, September 3, 2012, 11:34 a.m.

Residents of McKeesport’s Haler Heights neighborhood are divided over one family’s plan to turn a newly purchased parcel into trails for riding dirt bikes and ATVs.

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John Q

United States

#2 Sep 5, 2012
This should be on the White Oak board. Haler Heights is reall yin White Oak.. with WHITE oak problems. ATVs and Motorcycles? Drugs and guns are the port problems !!!
Haler Height Ghetto

Mckeesport, PA

#3 Sep 5, 2012
John Q wrote:
This should be on the White Oak board. Haler Heights is reall yin White Oak.. with WHITE oak problems. ATVs and Motorcycles? Drugs and guns are the port problems !!!
But inconsideration and contempt for your neighbors and former friends’ right to pursue happiness and domestic tranquility has no boundaries or time windows.

I hope that the section I(f) of the Haler Heights Plan No. 1 Covenant is legally restrictive enough to be enforced by the Court.

Be prepared for a classic class intimidation move on the mayor, council, and opponents by the perpetuators of the misuse and abuse of this restricted property. They have to get past the Planning Commission, Zoning and Hearing Board, and then Council before on to the Court.

That argument about the noise from Serra marching band is a hilarious. Band performances are limited both by the number of days, hours, and weather. There is no logical comparison.

Why not use the absurd argument of noise from trains and their frequent crossing whistles as they run through Versailles Borough seemingly at hours of the night and day?
John Q

United States

#4 Sep 5, 2012
The esteemed Solicitor is on the case. If it involves White Oak, he will always be right there. As he should be. He is making sure the Port peeps are represented so they have a legal place to ride their Quads.
Serra Band DB

Mckeesport, PA

#5 Sep 7, 2012
The band from the Serra High School reached about 110 DB tonight. We had to go down to McDonald's and have the Versailles trains rail noise and whistles clear our heads.

It might interest you that Serra High School is not in Haler Heights Plan No. 1 so the covenant does not apply. This little fact over looked by the inconsiderate proponents of the ATV trails.
Dan the Dare Devil

Mckeesport, PA

#6 Sep 8, 2012
Ban the Renzie fireworks. The noise drives my dog and me nuts a few times a year.

Bring on the constant annoying drones of ATVs, Motorized Trail Bikes, and Snow Mobiles. Hell to my good neighbors who want tranquility.

That covenant and zoning ordinance on noise are not worth the paper they are written on. Mikey will rule in favor of his fire department friends and he seems to be always above the rule of law.

How did the person start clearing land without a building permit? Mikey should look into this one. Where is your code enforcement and code officer?
Rule of Law Straddle

Mckeesport, PA

#7 Sep 8, 2012
Tax payer wrote:
Published: Monday, September 3, 2012, 11:34 a.m.
Residents of McKeesport’s Haler Heights neighborhood are divided over one family’s plan to turn a newly purchased parcel into trails for riding dirt bikes and ATVs.
Read more: http://triblive.com/neighborhoods/yourmckeesp...
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If the residents are divided, which I doubt, then that means some of the residents have no use or respect for the rule of law as specified by the covenant and zoning ordinance. That is difficult to believe.

The City controls the press and that is why the press favors breaching the convenat and ordinance. The former teacher is seeking a compromise to try to appease both sides or secure votes.

If someone violates local law, what is there to compromise?

The residents should hold firm to the rule of law specificed by the covenants or ordinance. It is just that simple Mikey. Segina got it right -- obey the local law!
Innocent Lad

Apo, AE

#8 Sep 8, 2012
It is really begin to sound like a late night pasture when McKLightning has got his "drink" and "farm animal romeo" on. Stop the madness or at least attempt to muffle the sound.
I Wanna Ride

Pittsburgh, PA

#9 Sep 18, 2012
Dan the Dare Devil wrote:
Ban the Renzie fireworks. The noise drives my dog and me nuts a few times a year.
Bring on the constant annoying drones of ATVs, Motorized Trail Bikes, and Snow Mobiles. Hell to my good neighbors who want tranquility.
How about banning the parties with fireworks at 2 in the AM?

Or better yet, ban the inconsiderate neighbors with yapping dogs at all hours or running lawn equipment from sun up to sun down.

I am in favor of the ATV proposal....at least it is a good wholsesome sport a family can enjoy together.

The Port offers NOTHING for the middle class white family to do...yet we pay the most in taxes.

Hell yeah, bring on the ATV park.
Lisa the Lizard

Mckeesport, PA

#10 Sep 18, 2012
I Wanna Ride wrote:
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How about banning the parties with fireworks at 2 in the AM?
Or better yet, ban the inconsiderate neighbors with yapping dogs at all hours or running lawn equipment from sun up to sun down.
I am in favor of the ATV proposal....at least it is a good wholsesome sport a family can enjoy together.
The Port offers NOTHING for the middle class white family to do...yet we pay the most in taxes.
Hell yeah, bring on the ATV park.
Yea - Nothing offered at all in the port?

How about 12 FREE concerts at Renzie, free fireworks at least three times, free rib cook off, restored classic car show, International Village food fest, nightly entertainment at IV, softball games, baseball games, tennis courts, basketball courts, high school football, JV football, basketball games, high school concerts, high school play, mayor's golf outing, mayor's river boat gala, mayor's inauguration gala, lively topless entertainment at Beamers, adult shop not far from Beamers, senior citizen center, senior citizen center trips, birthday parties, picnics and Christmas banquets, Heritage Center Activities, rose garden visits and tours, Garden Club events, Lions Club events, Several Church festivals or bazaars, numerous garage sales, Olympia flea market, at least two City parades, evening school at Penn State, Boys and Girls club, Boy and Girl Scouts, Church youth groups, Renzie walking trail, Yough walking/biking trails, White Oak Athlete Club sports, the Yough boat dock and boating, soap box derby, religious revivals at Renzie, circus next to fire station, etc.

Yea, there is nothing to do but annoy your good and quiet Haler Height ghetto neighbors with ATV noise and the threats of stray paint gun projectiles.
Haler Heights

Irwin, PA

#11 Sep 19, 2012
Renzie offers a number of activities within walking distance.
The hub of culture

Pittsburgh, PA

#12 Sep 19, 2012
Lisa the Lizard wrote:
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Yea - Nothing offered at all in the port?
How about 12 FREE concerts at Renzie, free fireworks at least three times, free rib cook off, restored classic car show, International Village food fest, nightly entertainment at IV, softball games, baseball games, tennis courts, basketball courts, high school football, JV football, basketball games, high school concerts, high school play, mayor's golf outing, mayor's river boat gala, mayor's inauguration gala, lively topless entertainment at Beamers, adult shop not far from Beamers, senior citizen center, senior citizen center trips, birthday parties, picnics and Christmas banquets, Heritage Center Activities, rose garden visits and tours, Garden Club events, Lions Club events, Several Church festivals or bazaars, numerous garage sales, Olympia flea market, at least two City parades, evening school at Penn State, Boys and Girls club, Boy and Girl Scouts, Church youth groups, Renzie walking trail, Yough walking/biking trails, White Oak Athlete Club sports, the Yough boat dock and boating, soap box derby, religious revivals at Renzie, circus next to fire station, etc.
Yea, there is nothing to do but annoy your good and quiet Haler Height ghetto neighbors with ATV noise and the threats of stray paint gun projectiles.
Its takes a ghetto person to know a ghetto.

Yeah, the Port is just the hub of culture with so much to do!

Circus - ONCE a year, for thre or four days, most rained out this year, and tickets to ride are $$$$$$$$$$

Yough boat dock and boating - So when will my complimentary boat arrive so I can enjoy that? Dock fees, even if I had a boat, are $$$$$$$$$$

Religious revivals - maybe your bag, not mine.

Church festivals, bazaars, flea market, rose garden and parade -- all great old people activities. In fact half of what you list is old-people oriented.... You must be an old fogey?

"free" fireworks - First, not free--- my taxes help pay for them. I dont like fireworks. They are dangerous and noisy. I dont get a choice there, do I?

Pretty much everything you list are once or twice a year events....what do you do the rest of the year?

As for hs sports....didnt care for them when I was in high school why would I care about them now?

You can list all you want......not everyone likes the same things as the old folks in the Port.

The only thing McKeesport has in the way of family oriented activity that is available every day to the average person would be Renzie. And I would be afraid of stepping on the police evidence markers down there.
Lisa the Lizard

Mckeesport, PA

#13 Sep 19, 2012
White Oak has their park, Route 48 playground, and the County regional park. They have no police tape up at any of them to the best of my knowledge.
The hub of culture

Pittsburgh, PA

#14 Sep 19, 2012
By your posting this, I guess you also consider Point State Park and Disneyworld as assets to McKeesport too, since they are reachable by car. LOL

But ok, lets say for a moment that we consider White Oak park an "asset" of the city of McKeesport.

Again, you still miss the point ny failing to realize that not everyone likes the same things as you may or may not.

You may not see the value of a given activity and I may not see teh value of an activity YOU see as a great way to pass time.....but thats the beauty of living in a city/suburban setting...there is (or should be) room for ALL to enjoy not to just cater to the whims of one group of uptights.
Lisa the Lizard

Mckeesport, PA

#15 Sep 19, 2012
The hub of culture wrote:
By your posting this, I guess you also consider Point State Park and Disneyworld as assets to McKeesport too, since they are reachable by car. LOL
But ok, lets say for a moment that we consider White Oak park an "asset" of the city of McKeesport.
Again, you still miss the point ny failing to realize that not everyone likes the same things as you may or may not.
You may not see the value of a given activity and I may not see teh value of an activity YOU see as a great way to pass time.....but thats the beauty of living in a city/suburban setting...there is (or should be) room for ALL to enjoy not to just cater to the whims of one group of uptights.
I agree with you - for all to enjoy according to their desires and wishes. I participate in none of the activities mentioned.

I do not consider Olympia Park Mall a park for entertainment.

I like to hunt and target and skeet shoot. How about a sportsman shooting range on the property? This is consitent with shooting the paint balls.
Not your land

Pittsburgh, PA

#16 Sep 20, 2012
Lisa the Lizard wrote:
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I agree with you - for all to enjoy according to their desires and wishes. I participate in none of the activities mentioned.
I do not consider Olympia Park Mall a park for entertainment.
I like to hunt and target and skeet shoot. How about a sportsman shooting range on the property? This is consistent with shooting the paint balls.
Seeing as the owner is very much an outdoorsman type, I would not doubt that he would have an issue with that if he were approached by neighbors in a nice way.

The one rub to your suggestion is that firing real bullets is a little different that paintball and plastic pellets. They can travel further if someone mis-aims. Paint ball and plastic pellets go a tiny fraction of the distance that real ammo does. There ARE laws on the books as far as firing guns of any sort within the city limits. They are there for safety.

And of course, you want to complain about noise, I would think gun fire would be much more noticeable than muffled engines.

See, the point people keep glossing over is that the property in question IS PRIVATE PROPERTY.

The owner doesnt have to allow ANY activity on HIS property unless he sees fit. The property isn't for ALL to enjoy like a public park etc.

Those who wanted this property to sit unused for as long as they lived nearby should have thought ahead and spend the relatively small amount of money on the property to "conserve" it. They didn't. Someone else did and is now using it for his own enjoyment.

You want complete silence, move out to the boonies.
Where Is Building Permit

Mckeesport, PA

#17 Sep 20, 2012
Mikey - where is his building permit?

Is the building permit ordinance slectively applied and fireman are exempt?
Mikey the Appeaser

Mckeesport, PA

#18 Sep 20, 2012
Where Is Building Permit wrote:
Mikey - where is his building permit?
Is the building permit ordinance slectively applied and fireman are exempt?
He does not need a building permit. I need the votes from the HH. He is a good neighbor and fireman and building permit exempt.
shomedamoney

Pittsburgh, PA

#19 Sep 21, 2012
Where Is Building Permit wrote:
Mikey - where is his building permit?
Is the building permit ordinance slectively applied and fireman are exempt?
A building permit to cut down weeds??? LOL

In any event the building inspectors office is a joke. Its all about collecting fees, not enforcing any sort of codes.
Appease to Please

Mckeesport, PA

#20 Sep 21, 2012
shomedamoney wrote:
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A building permit to cut down weeds??? LOL
In any event the building inspectors office is a joke. Its all about collecting fees, not enforcing any sort of codes.
Does one cut down trees or weeds with a chain saw? How about the hanging chain and sign installed across the entrance? Rumor has it that some minor structure may have been constructed on the acreage?

Yes the building inspectors' enforcements are a joke. I noticed many roofs or other upgrades installed throughout the City this summer and not one building permit displayed as required.

Any impacts from construction of the ATV trail that the DEP and EPA should be aware of? That once was an area of unauthorized dumping some time ago. Is the landfill material going to be disturbed and become a hazard to the residents and ATV riders?

The PA DEP slowed down the Lampert market on Eden Park Blvd for over a year.

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