Ex-councilwoman Carlisle ordered to serve 1-2 years

Feb 4, 2008 Full story: Pittsburgh Tribune-Review 25

“Obviously the decision today is a validation, to a certain extent, that the suspicions that I had as council president were indeed true. It is an unfortunate situation and one that we can hopefully avoid in the future”

Former Pittsburgh City Councilwoman Twanda Carlisle apologized for bad bookkeeping Monday but did not admit she knowingly took more than $43,000 in kickbacks from friends. via Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

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Bob

United States

#1 Feb 9, 2008
The judge should double her sentence for continuing to try and heap the blame on anyone but herself. In fact her plea should have been rejected when she insisted on ducking responsibility for blatantly robbing public funds for her fancy fur coat and her vacation trips. It will never happen but I feel that public officials should always get twice the sentence that the average citizen would for this type of crime because the should be held to a higher standard.

“Walk the Talk”

Since: Nov 07

Pittsburgh

#2 Feb 9, 2008
Thank you, Bob, for posting your thoughts. I also agree that public servants who betray our trust ought to be given a stiffer sentence. As there are those in public office who play golf regularly, I doubt that we'll ever have true justice served ( a little play on words). What I find to be frustrating are those elected officials who are getting away with far more than Ms. Carlisle. She was not part of the "good ole' boys" network.
Bob

United States

#3 Feb 9, 2008
LadyeHawke wrote:
Thank you, Bob, for posting your thoughts. I also agree that public servants who betray our trust ought to be given a stiffer sentence. As there are those in public office who play golf regularly, I doubt that we'll ever have true justice served ( a little play on words). What I find to be frustrating are those elected officials who are getting away with far more than Ms. Carlisle. She was not part of the "good ole' boys" network.
Very true! What really gets me POed is that in my younger days (70s and 80s) politicians at least tried to keep their dirty deals quiet but nowadays it seems they could care less whether they end up in the news. If they do they just deny it and go off on one of the old how dare someone acuse them of wrongdoing and attack their integrity. Senator Regola is a good example, he purgered himself but now he thinks the charges should be dropped not because they are false but because the troopers didn't keep their original notes, what bullcrap! On top of that he wants a change of venue because apparently the people who voted him into office can't be trusted to give him a fair trial, and he has the nerve to announce he plans to run for another term and expects the people of Westmoreland County to forget that we can't be trusted by him to treat him fairly in court> What a joke!

“Walk the Talk”

Since: Nov 07

Pittsburgh

#4 Feb 10, 2008
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Very true! What really gets me POed is that in my younger days (70s and 80s) politicians at least tried to keep their dirty deals quiet but nowadays it seems they could care less whether they end up in the news. If they do they just deny it and go off on one of the old how dare someone acuse them of wrongdoing and attack their integrity. Senator Regola is a good example, he purgered himself but now he thinks the charges should be dropped not because they are false but because the troopers didn't keep their original notes, what bullcrap! On top of that he wants a change of venue because apparently the people who voted him into office can't be trusted to give him a fair trial, and he has the nerve to announce he plans to run for another term and expects the people of Westmoreland County to forget that we can't be trusted by him to treat him fairly in court> What a joke!
Sen. Regola is an excellent example. The sad part is that he'll probably be reelected. That's why politicians refer to people as sheeple. By chance, were you listening to the Fred Honsberger KDKA radio program to hear a caller by the name of Joe? He called in to ask how he could sign up for the fish rebate. Fred thought that he was kidding; so, he went along w/ the caller. Turns out, this guy was serious. Fred asked him who his congressman is; Joe said that it is Dan Onorato. There's more to the story, of course. They put it on the KD site. The next day, Joe called and said how embarrassed he was; that KD had no business doing that to him and that he has an attorney to sue them. Fred asked him if he were a Democrat; Joe responded to the positive. That's sad.
GFY

Uniontown, PA

#5 Feb 10, 2008
Wouldn't it be nice for those of you who live in that county if they caught the rest of the crooks and liars! Come on, why just focus on one when there are probably many others. I'm sorry, but i feel some wanted her out of the court house because of her sex and race so they dug to find it. I'm sure that if they dig alot deeper they'll find many many others too! Fair is fair in love, war and potitics as i say now days.
GFY

Uniontown, PA

#6 Feb 10, 2008
Wouldn't it be nice for those of you who live in that county if they caught the rest of the crooks and liars! Come on, why just focus on one when there are probably many others. I'm sorry, but I feel some wanted her out of the court house because of her sex and race so they dug to find it. I'm sure that if they dig alot deeper they'll find many many others too! Fair is fair in love, war and potitics as I say now days.
GFY

Uniontown, PA

#7 Feb 10, 2008
Sorry about the double posting. And that's politics, not potitics. Thought I'd better correct it myself.
Bob

United States

#8 Feb 10, 2008
GFY wrote:
Wouldn't it be nice for those of you who live in that county if they caught the rest of the crooks and liars! Come on, why just focus on one when there are probably many others. I'm sorry, but i feel some wanted her out of the court house because of her sex and race so they dug to find it. I'm sure that if they dig alot deeper they'll find many many others too! Fair is fair in love, war and potitics as i say now days.
You are correct, if someone is not corrupt when they are voted into office then they are by the time they are voted out. Sadly it is our own fault for not pushing for manditory punishments for elected officials when they violate the public trust. As things stand now when they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar and can't wiggle out of it by finding a legal loophole and are found guilty then it falls upon the judges shoulders to pronounce sentence on them. These would be the same judges they golf with and go to fundraisers with so of course they seldom get the sentence they deserve. As far as I am concerned corruption in public office should be a manditory 10 year sentence before they even consider the specific crime they commited. As long as public representatives are permitted to screw the public with no consequences they will continue to screw the public. I am still waiting to hear what happens to that senator from down south who they have on film taking bribes,it has been a couple years now and he is still in office while they get around to actually bringing him to trial, rediculous! And lets not forget Marion Barry the old mayor of Washington DC. They had him on film smoking crack with a hooker but he went to rehad for a month so he is all better now, and I believe he was voted back into some other position of public trust. What is wrong with this country?

“Walk the Talk”

Since: Nov 07

Pittsburgh

#9 Feb 11, 2008
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct, if someone is not corrupt when they are voted into office then they are by the time they are voted out. Sadly it is our own fault for not pushing for manditory punishments for elected officials when they violate the public trust. As things stand now when they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar and can't wiggle out of it by finding a legal loophole and are found guilty then it falls upon the judges shoulders to pronounce sentence on them. These would be the same judges they golf with and go to fundraisers with so of course they seldom get the sentence they deserve. As far as I am concerned corruption in public office should be a manditory 10 year sentence before they even consider the specific crime they commited. As long as public representatives are permitted to screw the public with no consequences they will continue to screw the public. I am still waiting to hear what happens to that senator from down south who they have on film taking bribes,it has been a couple years now and he is still in office while they get around to actually bringing him to trial, rediculous! And lets not forget Marion Barry the old mayor of Washington DC. They had him on film smoking crack with a hooker but he went to rehad for a month so he is all better now, and I believe he was voted back into some other position of public trust. What is wrong with this country?
A mandatory sentence for betraying the public trust ought to be the norm, I agree. How about the former DA for Washington, PA. I apologize that I don't recall his name at the moment. He was less than honest during his tenure. What sentence is he serving? I personally believe that our country has lost its moral backbone. A nation is only as strong as its moral compass. Just my thoughts.
Silver

Monongahela, PA

#10 Feb 11, 2008
GFY wrote:
Wouldn't it be nice for those of you who live in that county if they caught the rest of the crooks and liars! Come on, why just focus on one when there are probably many others. I'm sorry, but i feel some wanted her out of the court house because of her sex and race so they dug to find it. I'm sure that if they dig alot deeper they'll find many many others too! Fair is fair in love, war and potitics as i say now days.
The problem is that they did not have to dig into the matter. It was obvious to even the other crooks what she was doing. Donít act like she did and turn this into a race issue.

“Walk the Talk”

Since: Nov 07

Pittsburgh

#11 Feb 11, 2008
Silver wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem is that they did not have to dig into the matter. It was obvious to even the other crooks what she was doing. Donít act like she did and turn this into a race issue.
Silver, you are correct in that the elected officials don't have to delve into anything as long as they're not held accountable or responsible. For then, we taxpayers would learn all that they've done that has broken the trust of the public.

“Obama is a Liar, Period!”

Since: Jan 07

Pittsburgh, PA

#12 Feb 11, 2008
I think that when an elected public official gets caught defrauding the public that the punishment should be public! Carlise should be given prison garb, be required to report to the City County building every morning,(7 days a week) and work as a laborer in plain public view. A 12 hour day would be the norm. She could live at home under house arrest and report to her city job every day at 6:00AM. No salary, just work. This way we could recoup some of the money that she stole and the money that it cost to catch her and to prosecute her.

She could replace an existing employee and the city would save there as well.

“Walk the Talk”

Since: Nov 07

Pittsburgh

#13 Feb 11, 2008
Old Cynic wrote:
I think that when an elected public official gets caught defrauding the public that the punishment should be public! Carlise should be given prison garb, be required to report to the City County building every morning,(7 days a week) and work as a laborer in plain public view. A 12 hour day would be the norm. She could live at home under house arrest and report to her city job every day at 6:00AM. No salary, just work. This way we could recoup some of the money that she stole and the money that it cost to catch her and to prosecute her.
She could replace an existing employee and the city would save there as well.
You and my mom-in-law think alike. Restitution ought to be the norm. What good is it for her and others like her to be sitting in prison while we taxpayers have to pay their bill?

“Obama is a Liar, Period!”

Since: Jan 07

Pittsburgh, PA

#14 Feb 11, 2008
LadyeHawke wrote:
<quoted text>You and my mom-in-law think alike. Restitution ought to be the norm. What good is it for her and others like her to be sitting in prison while we taxpayers have to pay their bill?
AMEN AND AMEN! Problem is our politico leaders haven't the guts to face the issue of restitution and victim's rights to be made whole.

“Walk the Talk”

Since: Nov 07

Pittsburgh

#15 Feb 12, 2008
Old Cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
AMEN AND AMEN! Problem is our politico leaders haven't the guts to face the issue of restitution and victim's rights to be made whole.
What am I missing here? What's a big deal with restitution? It only makes sense for a thief to repay the victim. It's one way for them to, perhaps, learn the importance of accountability. How refreshing! They would stand a better chance of becoming a productive part of society rather than draining honest, hard-working taxpayers.
Bob

United States

#16 Feb 13, 2008
LadyeHawke wrote:
<quoted text>What am I missing here? What's a big deal with restitution? It only makes sense for a thief to repay the victim. It's one way for them to, perhaps, learn the importance of accountability. How refreshing! They would stand a better chance of becoming a productive part of society rather than draining honest, hard-working taxpayers.
Restitution should always be the first consideration, however, I read a story today about an attorney that was prosecuted for running a scam involving class action lawsuits. He was accused of illegally skimming 2.6 million dollars from several lawsuits his firm was involved in. Now I hope it was a misprint but it said he was sentenced to 6 months house arrest and a $600,000 fine but the word restitution was never mentioned which makes me wonder if the poor guy has to stay in his house for 6 months which should give him plenty of time to count the 2 million dollars he has left after he pays his fine. No I hope this was just a case of poor reporting because if not I fail to see anything in his sentence that would deter him from doing something like this again. I am sure that most people would not mind too much doing 6 mo house arrest if they were profiting by 2 mil.
Steve

Charleroi, PA

#17 Feb 13, 2008
she got off easy, that was just a slap on the wrist.

“Walk the Talk”

Since: Nov 07

Pittsburgh

#18 Feb 14, 2008
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Restitution should always be the first consideration, however, I read a story today about an attorney that was prosecuted for running a scam involving class action lawsuits. He was accused of illegally skimming 2.6 million dollars from several lawsuits his firm was involved in. Now I hope it was a misprint but it said he was sentenced to 6 months house arrest and a $600,000 fine but the word restitution was never mentioned which makes me wonder if the poor guy has to stay in his house for 6 months which should give him plenty of time to count the 2 million dollars he has left after he pays his fine. No I hope this was just a case of poor reporting because if not I fail to see anything in his sentence that would deter him from doing something like this again. I am sure that most people would not mind too much doing 6 mo house arrest if they were profiting by 2 mil.
Perhaps another article will be written and we'll learn more about this lawyer's sentence. Six months house arrest? And, Ms. Carlise received 1-2 years? The system is so corrupt. Six months is a joke.
Freedom

AOL

#19 Feb 14, 2008
The entire area is dotted by corruption! For instance, a police officer can arrest a citizen for any reason, even here say of a eyewitness. Pennsylvania is one of the very few states that a false arrest has no file a citizen falsely arrested may recoup any monies nor compensations for any6 lost time, anguish, etc! The other state is Oklahoma, and no accountability. McKeesport and other surrounding cities take certain marked liberties due to this un-accountabiliy of police false arrest, not to mention judges mixed judgements.

There is also a lot of mounting evidence such as in officials pocketing monies from honest citizens and taxpayers. Some goofing off, and also an account of 911 dispatch making a lady in a wheelchair wait while at least 10 on investigation at the 911 dispatch done nothing during that time by actual findings!

Needless to say, the woman in the wheelchair with her bed on fire died and it was too late to save her. McKeesport and the surrounding areas are unnacountable for wrongdoings and actions.

-FREEDOM
McKeesport is broke

Mckeesport, PA

#20 Nov 17, 2013
Bob wrote:
The judge should double her sentence for continuing to try and heap the blame on anyone but herself. In fact her plea should have been rejected when she insisted on ducking responsibility for blatantly robbing public funds for her fancy fur coat and her vacation trips. It will never happen but I feel that public officials should always get twice the sentence that the average citizen would for this type of crime because the should be held to a higher standard.
Crime red flags are obvious with bad bookkeeping. See McKeesport John Jason Elash dance on the same questions and issues.

(From the article)
Carlisle apologized for bad bookkeeping Monday but did not admit she knowingly took more than $43,000 in kickbacks from friends.

(Words from thd McKeesport 2x DUI city solicitor.)
Malinchak, a frequent opponent of Cherepko and previous mayoral administrations who challenged Cherepko in November's election, has asked Allegheny County District Attorney Stephen Zappala Jr. to investigate whether any city employees were engaged in wrongdoing.

City Solicitor J. Jason Elash said the scrap-handling procedures have been the same for more than 30 years. Money received from junkyards for vehicles and other scrap was being kept in the public works department for public works purchases, Elash said, but the practice has been discontinued.

"There are new procedures in place now, and we are keeping a paper trail of every transaction," Elash said.

(See newer article: Grand jury sought data on suspicious garbage collection in McKeesport
September 14, 2013 12:00 AM)
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/nei...

Monthly Meeting Means More Angry Words - Tube City Almanac
May 3, 2012-Sept. 12, 2013 Category: News || By Jason Togyer. Another month ... City Solicitor J. Jason Elash said the scrap-handling procedures have been the same for more than 30 years. Money received ...
http://www.tubecityonline.com/almanac/entry_1...

Did John Jason Elash and mayor Cherepko send in the records they had? Do they match up with the receipts and records of all the Mon Valley area scrap yards. They can send records selectively, best to call all scrap yards to check.

Describe those new record keeping procedures John J. Elash. The grand jury is waiting on your shady replies.
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Investigation of Pa. city's rising disposal costs leads to gambling ring bust - Wasted Dive (McKeesport)
Sep 16, 2013 - When McKeesport, Pa. controller Ray Malinchak saw a $170,000 annual increase in city sanitation ...
http://www.wastedive.com/news/investigation-o...

Bad bookkeeping is intentional, to cover up shady practices. Books may exist, but not for the public transparent understanding. McKeesport hides a lot from the public, and definitely abuses money.

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