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Well looks like Honest Babe has trumphed Duke on this one. So let's get this ball rolling. Everybody who believes Peyman should be impeached needs to march into the next meeting and stand firm against all who support him. We'll take one step at a time until all who is responsible are held accountable, starting with Peyman but we won't stop until they're all out. Anybody who doesn't act on this should join Serano to watch Tombstone and shut up. I hear the violin's playing now and Peyman better know that he's going to be held accountable for his incompetence. To avoid legal action, he should resign and save his family the humiliation.
What trump?

There is no theft alleged or proven. Overspending, yes, but no crime punishable as a misdemeanor so Honest Babe's post doesn't apply and is useless.

Without a crime - YOU CAN NOT IMPEACH - lol - AND YOU HAVE TO VOTE HIM OUT.

Which I suspect will happen.
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I don't think Peyman is Serranos boy anymore.I think he was fooled in the beginning, just like everybody in J.C was.I think Serrano found out about his dirty deeds.
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Serano is still Peyman's boy when it benefits him. Serrano is as bad as Peyman, thinking he's smarter than any of us country bumpkins.
Peyman can and should be prosecuted and that's what we need to push for. Smith won't push for Peyman to be held accountable for his crimes, if he himself is guilty of the same. We have to hold every guilty party accountable

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I had no idea there was a competition as to who trumps who and could care less, but to clear up what appears to be a huge misconception...

The Kentucky Constitution prescribes impeachment as the remedy when a public officer has committed "misdemeanors in office," but that term does not have the same connotation as in the judicial sense. Rather "misdemeanor" in this context has been defined as any activity involving a breach of the public trust, or any act which can be construed as misfeasance or malfeasance.

It is not necessary that an official charged with impeachable conduct must previously have been convicted or even indicted on a criminal charge.

Yes, it can be inferred from the language in Section 68 of Kentucky's Constitution...YOU CAN IMPEACH WITHOUT A CRIME.

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Misfeasance - A term used in tort law to describe an act that is legal but performed improperly.

Malfeasance - A comprehensive term used in both civil and criminal law to describe any act that is wrongful. It is not a distinct crime or tort, but may be used generally to describe any act that is criminal or that is wrongful and gives rise to, or somehow contributes to, the injury of another person.
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Honest Babe wrote:
I had no idea there was a competition as to who trumps who and could care less, but to clear up what appears to be a huge misconception...
The Kentucky Constitution prescribes impeachment as the remedy when a public officer has committed "misdemeanors in office," but that term does not have the same connotation as in the judicial sense. Rather "misdemeanor" in this context has been defined as any activity involving a breach of the public trust, or any act which can be construed as misfeasance or malfeasance.
It is not necessary that an official charged with impeachable conduct must previously have been convicted or even indicted on a criminal charge.
Yes, it can be inferred from the language in Section 68 of Kentucky's Constitution...YOU CAN IMPEACH WITHOUT A CRIME.
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Misfeasance - A term used in tort law to describe an act that is legal but performed improperly.
Malfeasance - A comprehensive term used in both civil and criminal law to describe any act that is wrongful. It is not a distinct crime or tort, but may be used generally to describe any act that is criminal or that is wrongful and gives rise to, or somehow contributes to, the injury of another person.
Maybe you could post the entire Chapter 63 of KRS for folks to read.

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Maybe you could post the entire Chapter 63 of KRS for folks to read.
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/KRS/063-00/CHAPTER.HTM
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Duke did you request records today? Just wondering! Good luck..
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This thread is a load of crap. You old people aren't going to do anything but run your mouths and let the younger generation pay your debts. I have heard Denny and Geraldo speak, they are both full of crackers. They got you all fooled into believing, they will stand up for this county. The people who is talking about Denny and Melanie should shut up about it. If his wife and children don't care, why should anyone else. At least Melanie is above legal age of consent. You people jump from one issue to another and you never do anything about anything. This county is going to make sacrifices because of sticky hands, helping themselves to the money that was suppose to be used for our roads. I'm going to, never gets done. Nobody wants to hear what any of you are going to do, tell us what you've done. If the fiscal court knows Denny took the money, they can have him arrested, attach everything he owns and get some of the money back. It's not difficult to prove. Unless he has documentation of where the money was spent, he took it himself. The auditors did the work for you, now what is the fiscal court going to do with the evidence. If Willie O doesn't do something fast, he's making himself look guilty. HonestBabe gave accurate information, Denny can be impeached. What is the county paying lawyers for if they aren't going to do their job? It's as simple as there's been a crime committed and somebody needs to pay the time. If everyone from Willie O to Serrano is guilty then sock it to them and stop playing around. Serrano said Denny was a good honest man who believed in the constitution and took his oath to defend, protect and serve this county seriously. All of that was lies. The whole stand with the sheriff fiasco was nothing but a plot to get media attention for both Serrano and Denny. They both walk around with their chest stuck out, acting like they are something to desire. Serrano and his little smirky comments that are usually sexual and vulgar tries to over power every conversation. He's always trying to correct someone or acting like he has inside information has all but fell to his knees and worshipped Denny. He needs to start acting his age, not his IQ and conduct himself like a older gentlemen. We don't live in the hood, we live in a peaceful God loving community and we don't appreciate vulgar language. He shows his lack of respect for our beliefs everytime he opens his vulgar mouth. He wants to legalize hemp so marijuania will be legalized too. He wants our community to vote wet so we can become like Chicago or worse manchester. The alcohol sales in manchester has not improved them. I am 17 years old and I know that bringing marijuania and alcohol in this county will not benefit us. We can't even get a walmart and this guy thinks selling beer and growing marijuania is going to help us. If people would listen to what these goones are saying instead of being hypnotized by their big words and city accents, everybody would see what their real purpose is.

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Sweetea wrote:
Duke did you request records today? Just wondering! Good luck..
The letters are on the way to the post office.

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If he can be impeached -- go for it.

While your at it - get the attorney general in here to look at the whole pie.

I could be wrong, but the impeachment won't go anywhere - if it were that simple don't you think the fiscal court would already have taken that route?

No crime, no action... and like one poster wrote 99% of the people on here will probably run their mouths and sit on their rumps as 99% of the county really doesn't seem to care outside of it making "good drama" to gossip about...lol

But that's just my observation -

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Reportedly, way back in October of 2012, Judge Smith asked for the Attorney General to come in and investigate. Sounds like he was smart enough that he was way ahead of the game. Neither does it sound like Judge Smith had any fears concerning an investigation by the AG.

I know it amuses me greatly when I read the comments on some of those crack-pot conspiracy theorists web-sites now...those that say the audits on Peyman and such are a result of his stance on guns, LOL!

They are clueless and don't realize Peyman didn't go public with his stance on guns until January 2013 and that Peyman's troubles with his audit and the Fiscal Court began pre-October 2012. I think it is hilarious and shows how paranoid some can be, LOL!

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Reportedly, way back in October of 2012, Judge Smith asked for the Attorney General to come in and investigate. Sounds like he was smart enough that he was way ahead of the game. Neither does it sound like Judge Smith had any fears concerning an investigation by the AG.
I know it amuses me greatly when I read the comments on some of those crack-pot conspiracy theorists web-sites now...those that say the audits on Peyman and such are a result of his stance on guns, LOL!
They are clueless and don't realize Peyman didn't go public with his stance on guns until January 2013 and that Peyman's troubles with his audit and the Fiscal Court began pre-October 2012. I think it is hilarious and shows how paranoid some can be, LOL!
Sure he did... sure he did ... lol...

And you know this how?

The last audit in December says Peyman owes something like 122K and not the 278 the court keeps spouting about. The court says he paid nothing back, yet the audit says he paid at least half of it back.

So who is telling the truth? That is why I want to see the attorney general in here. Something isn't right and according to the court audit THEY MOVED MONEY around and and tried to hide spending it... i.e. the coal money was spent where? Funds from a federal grant magically appeared in its column ...lol

According to Peyman he has NEVER received one dime of the coal money ever - and according to law 30% goes to the highway and 70$ goes to emergency services of which he gets about 1/4 of the total.

You ask in court and they won't answer or throw you out - they hide in executive session when they discuss paying the sheriff department bills - ANOTHER THING THAT IS ILLEGAL TO DO - as the only way the court can go into private executive session is for disciplinary actions against an employee and paying the sheriff department bills is not part of any disciplinary action yet they hide behind close doors illegally.

I think they are hiding things - even the proposal to take out a sinking fund loan was improperly formatted as it intentionally concealed the amount they were asking for. By law they had to state in the proposal exactly how much they wanted and what rate and they DID NOT PUT IT IN THERE - those in attendance had to ask how much they were borrowing and then 5 police officers were called into court for ?????????

They refused to answer how much and exactly what it covered as well and went into executive session to hide it...

Under the open records act anything not directly related to disciplinary actions MUST BE IN THE MINUTES and I specifically requested the transcripts of the minutes to include any financial discussions during those sessions as they are not related to disciplinary actions.

Let's see how forth-coming the fiscal court is and we shall see where we go from there...

Who knows the records just might vindicate them which will make me happy if it does.

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You got one thing right out of all the ranting; you will pay for it and you will pay more than most because of your age. Glad you are speaking your mind though, being wrong doesn't bother me, sitting at home when you can attend these meetings does. Paying debt makes us all slaves. Everybody should be angry over this.
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This thread is a load of crap. You old people aren't going to do anything but run your mouths and let the younger generation pay your debts. I have heard Denny and Geraldo speak, they are both full of crackers. They got you all fooled into believing, they will stand up for this county. The people who is talking about Denny and Melanie should shut up about it. If his wife and children don't care, why should anyone else. At least Melanie is above legal age of consent. You people jump from one issue to another and you never do anything about anything. This county is going to make sacrifices because of sticky hands, helping themselves to the money that was suppose to be used for our roads. I'm going to, never gets done. Nobody wants to hear what any of you are going to do, tell us what you've done. If the fiscal court knows Denny took the money, they can have him arrested, attach everything he owns and get some of the money back. It's not difficult to prove. Unless he has documentation of where the money was spent, he took it himself. The auditors did the work for you, now what is the fiscal court going to do with the evidence. If Willie O doesn't do something fast, he's making himself look guilty. HonestBabe gave accurate information, Denny can be impeached. What is the county paying lawyers for if they aren't going to do their job? It's as simple as there's been a crime committed and somebody needs to pay the time. If everyone from Willie O to Serrano is guilty then sock it to them and stop playing around. Serrano said Denny was a good honest man who believed in the constitution and took his oath to defend, protect and serve this county seriously. All of that was lies. The whole stand with the sheriff fiasco was nothing but a plot to get media attention for both Serrano and Denny. They both walk around with their chest stuck out, acting like they are something to desire. Serrano and his little smirky comments that are usually sexual and vulgar tries to over power every conversation. He's always trying to correct someone or acting like he has inside information has all but fell to his knees and worshipped Denny. He needs to start acting his age, not his IQ and conduct himself like a older gentlemen. We don't live in the hood, we live in a peaceful God loving community and we don't appreciate vulgar language. He shows his lack of respect for our beliefs everytime he opens his vulgar mouth. He wants to legalize hemp so marijuania will be legalized too. He wants our community to vote wet so we can become like Chicago or worse manchester. The alcohol sales in manchester has not improved them. I am 17 years old and I know that bringing marijuania and alcohol in this county will not benefit us. We can't even get a walmart and this guy thinks selling beer and growing marijuania is going to help us. If people would listen to what these goones are saying instead of being hypnotized by their big words and city accents, everybody would see what their real purpose is.
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Mar 20, 2013
 
let them swim are drown which ever come first,to much money for jackson county to handle proplery at one time,sound like to many hand,s in the kitty.

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Duke Snider wrote:
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Sure he did... sure he did ... lol...
And you know this how?
For one…10/11/2012...“The head of an eastern Kentucky local government is asking for an investigation into the sheriff’s office.“

“The fiscal court wants state auditors or the state attorney general’s office to investigate the sheriff’s office.”

http://www.kypost.com/dpp/news/state/Jackson-...

Naturally, since it was stated the fiscal court had covered the sheriff ‘s payroll since he took office in January 2011, and that the sheriff’s office owes the fiscal court $278,000, any such investigation would involve the fiscal court’s books and records as well.
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The last audit in December says Peyman owes something like 122K and not the 278 the court keeps spouting about.
No, that IS NOT what the audit says. Peyman’s UNPAID OBLIGATIONS total $122,395 FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2011 ONLY. Here IS what the audit states, so please get your calculator out and follow along…

ADD:
Due FROM Peyman’s 2011 fee account to fiscal court is $65,275 for payroll assistance FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2011 ONLY.
Due FROM Peyman’s 2011 fee account to his 2012 fee account is $28,868.
Due FROM Peyman‘s 2011 fee account to his 2011 tax account for overpaid commissions is $28,252

TOTAL:
Due FROM Peyman’s 2011 fee account is $122,395 in unpaid obligations.

ADD:
Due TO Peyman’s 2011 fee account from fiscal court is $8,987 for excess fee payment he made in error.
Due TO Peyman’s 2011 fee account is $519 from Peyman for disallowed expenditures (in other words if his fee account didn’t have a deficit and he was rolling in the dough with excess funds in his fee account, he would still need to pay this amount back to his fee account out of his pocket.)

TOTAL:
Due TO Peyman’s 2011 fee account is $9,506.

SUBTRACT:
The amount of $9,506 due TO Peyman’s 2011 fee account from the amount of $122,395 due FROM Peyman’s 2011 fee account.

TOTAL:
Peyman’s 2011 fee account has A DEFICIT of $112,889 for the 2011 calendar year.

The audit recommends Peyman consult with the Fiscal Court and County Attorney to determine how to eliminate this $112,889 deficit.

NOW…on Page 8 of the audit it states the following…

“As of December 31, 2011, the Sheriff owed the Fiscal Court $65,274 for payroll. For calendar year 2012, the Sheriff owes an additional $212,641.”

ADD:
Peyman owes fiscal court $65,274 for payroll assistance for 2011 ONLY.
Peyman owes fiscal court $212,641 for payroll assistance for 2012 ONLY.

TOTAL:
Peyman owes fiscal court for payroll assistance a total of $277,915 which the fiscal court keeps spouting about AND which keeps being reported by numerous news media outlets such as this one...

http://www.kentucky.com/2013/02/28/2536135/au...

LINK TO THE AUDIT:
http://apps.auditor.ky.gov/Public/Audit_Repor...

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Duke Snider wrote:
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The court says he paid nothing back, yet the audit says he paid at least half of it back.
So who is telling the truth? That is why I want to see the attorney general in here.
The audit DOES NOT say Peyman paid at least half of it back. The audit DOES NOT say Peyman paid even as much as one cent back. Common sense should tell anyone the audit is telling the truth.

Further, from an article by Jerry Sparks in the March 14, 2013 edition of ‘The Jackson County Sun’(quoting) Judge Smith presented court members with a copy of a letter from the Auditor of Public Accounts, dated February 27th, 2013 ... The letter stated that the 2011 audit findings reveal “that Jackson County Sheriff Denny Peyman had a deficit of $112,889 in his official 2011 fee account, including $65,275 in payroll liabilities owed to the Jackson County Fiscal Court.”… The letter continued stating,“KRS 64.820 requires the Jackson County Fiscal Court to collect the amounts owed to the county as determined by the Auditor’s audit.” By copy of the letter, the Auditor of Public Accounts also referred the matter to the Attorney General’s office, for their information.
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Something isn't right and according to the court audit THEY MOVED MONEY around and and tried to hide spending it... i.e. the coal money was spent where? Funds from a federal grant magically appeared in its column ...lol
According to Peyman he has NEVER received one dime of the coal money ever - and according to law 30% goes to the highway and 70$ goes to emergency services of which he gets about 1/4 of the total.
As messed up as Peyman’s record keeping was, as shown by the 2011 audit, I doubt he would know whether he received any coal money or not. Neither do I put any confidence in anything which is “according to Peyman.“ You are welcome to your opinion about the fiscal court’s accounts, but here is mine…if the auditors had found any major problems with the fiscal court’s accounts we would be hearing about it just like we are hearing about the problems with Peyman’s audit.

Also, for those blaming Judge Smith for depending on coal severence taxes, this could be of interest since it shows he certainly isn’t the only judge executive in that situation:

http://www.kentucky.com/2013/01/26/2491962/co...

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You ask in court and they won't answer or throw you out - they hide in executive session when they discuss paying the sheriff department bills - ANOTHER THING THAT IS ILLEGAL TO DO - as the only way the court can go into private executive session is for disciplinary actions against an employee and paying the sheriff department bills is not part of any disciplinary action yet they hide behind close doors illegally.
I think they are hiding things - even the proposal to take out a sinking fund loan was improperly formatted as it intentionally concealed the amount they were asking for. By law they had to state in the proposal exactly how much they wanted and what rate and they DID NOT PUT IT IN THERE - those in attendance had to ask how much they were borrowing and then 5 police officers were called into court for ?????????
They refused to answer how much and exactly what it covered as well and went into executive session to hide it...
Under the open records act anything not directly related to disciplinary actions MUST BE IN THE MINUTES and I specifically requested the transcripts of the minutes to include any financial discussions during those sessions as they are not related to disciplinary actions.
Let's see how forth-coming the fiscal court is and we shall see where we go from there...
Who knows the records just might vindicate them which will make me happy if it does.
Have they thrown you out yet? Has anyone but the one man been removed from the meetings? Why did Peyman, whom appeared a little disruptive himself, remove the man if he wasn’t out of order or if his behavior wasn’t somehow disruptive?

Are you 100% sure the paying of the sheriff’s department bills were discussed in executive session? It is my understanding, at the last meeting, the paying of the sheriff department’s bills was tabled until they could be adequately reviewed. It is also my understanding, as prescribed under KRS 61.810(1)(c) the fiscal court can go into executive session for discussion of proposed or pending litigation against or on the fiscal court’s behalf. Pending litigation is what the WKYT report stated they went into executive session to discuss…

http://www.wkyt.com/wymt/home/headlines/Tensi...

Apparently, if the conflicting information I see being put out on here by some (not necessarily you) is any indication, much of which can easily be proven inaccurate by such things as audits and multiple news reports from different outlets…then I don’t think attending the meetings in person is really doing much good for them. I think I will just remain at home, or spend my time doing enjoyable things, while I stick to truth and honesty.

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Have they thrown you out yet? Has anyone but the one man been removed from the meetings? Why did Peyman, whom appeared a little disruptive himself, remove the man if he wasn’t out of order or if his behavior wasn’t somehow disruptive?
Are you 100% sure the paying of the sheriff’s department bills were discussed in executive session? It is my understanding, at the last meeting, the paying of the sheriff department’s bills was tabled until they could be adequately reviewed. It is also my understanding, as prescribed under KRS 61.810(1)(c) the fiscal court can go into executive session for discussion of proposed or pending litigation against or on the fiscal court’s behalf. Pending litigation is what the WKYT report stated they went into executive session to discuss…
http://www.wkyt.com/wymt/home/headlines/Tensi...
Apparently, if the conflicting information I see being put out on here by some (not necessarily you) is any indication, much of which can easily be proven inaccurate by such things as audits and multiple news reports from different outlets…then I don’t think attending the meetings in person is really doing much good for them. I think I will just remain at home, or spend my time doing enjoyable things, while I stick to truth and honesty.
100% sure they went into executive session - stating before going into it, "We need to go into executive session to discuss paying some of the sheriff's bills."

After recall I heard the words myself, "We have four bills for the sheriff department and I think we should pay them."

They have did both times when I attended the meetings.

What the news reports is often what is the most sensational line they can spin. It is rarely accurate and I know what you saw on TV or the net was edited for best effect as I saw and heard those interviews taped. They copped it up for whatever spin they attempted to put on it.

The news hasn't been trustworthy since Bill Clinton. Before that it was questionable then, but not as bad as it is now.

The worst thing the news did was 24 - 7 broadcasting - since its inception you get mostly rumors and initial incorrect facts with very little correction as they just let rumor slide by as truth and truth not become a stumbling block.

Take the Connecticut shooting. For 23 hours you heard assault weapon and high capacity magazine and how he killed before killing the kids and calls for gun control and who knows what else was thrown out in that screwed up gossiping mix.

It was days before the facts came out it was a shotgun and a pistol, but they still harped on assault weapons and gun bans...lol... that had nothing to do with the shooting.

In fact, I don't recall ever hearing the media correct the record and say an assault weapon was never used or found at the crime scene. It was only through talk radio and (initially before they got it) I heard it from a weapons expert who was in the loop that knows before most as they have their own network and sources what had actually taken place.

If they corrected it I bet it was just a couple of short sound bytes before going right back to the assault weapon, high capacity magazine crap they had spouted from hour one.

the media is becoming a joke. It is a visual TOPIX...lol

On a positive note it appears Jackson County might get 40 - 50 new jobs making airplane parts - at least that much was positive about the meeting :0)

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PS - your quote: "then I don’t think attending the meetings in person is really doing much good for them. I think I will just remain at home, or spend my time doing enjoyable things, while I stick to truth and honesty."

You are right. It isn't good for them as we come out and tell the truth and not their version of the truth.

Now go be a good little mind numb parrot and ask questions I have already answered...

Your idea of truth and honesty is a head in the sand approach and you can only mimic what you want to see and hear from the news...lol

If I were not being honest don't you think they wouldn't want to correct it? There are others there and not one of them have said I have misrepresented anything including William O who also reads this thread.

Yet, you sit at home with your nose in the air and think you have some great third eye reaching into the Nirvana of some galactic cosmos connected to you via some invisible beam, and only you can divine what is honest and what is not.

How much more arrogant can one get?

By the way - a satellite in space beaming a signal down to your TV isn't the same beam you appear to be connected to... but it gives you an excuse to sit on your rump and not go hear for yourself doesn't it?.... lol

Perhaps if more people attended they would soon learn how much is truth and how much is not and perhaps some of the recent events would have never happened. Government doesn't like an eye-witness to their events no matter how small or trivial.

They like photo-opportunities, but they hate anyone who questions or reports on what they do and rely on all the good little sofa warmers to swill in their party line no matter what that line is.

How about you stop making excuses and attend a few of these meetings - HOW ABOUT ALL OF US ATTENDING THESE MEETINGS -- I know several times it has been suggested they have them in evening so the few people who do work in this county might be able to attend easier but that falls like stone in cold water...

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